The futility of it all.

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Regret

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I thought I would start this thread because I am in dire need of a debate, or at least an intellectual discussion. I know this particular topic may have been discussed alot on the forums, so I wish to avoid the whole 'Meaning of Life' dispute.

Now, I feel that there is absolutely no purpose for anything that occurs anywhere in the universe (or, indeed, in others). I could take a gun and kill anyone I damned well please and, for all intents and purposes, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. I could discover the cure for cancer, but what good would that do? Everything is going to die eventually.

I could elaborate further, but I want to hear your opinions first.

Thoughts?
 

Kollega

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Yeah, yeah, we're all gonna die, the universe is cold and meaningless, all people are dicks living on an insignificant ball of mud, so we may as well start killing everyone right now.

[HEADING=3]We all heard that one before.[/HEADING]

I don't know about you, but i live for two three things.

A) To have fun myself and give it to others.
B) To see what happens next. It's kinda intresting.
C) To dance. RAWK ON!

Try one of these approaches, or even better - all three. Believe it or not, they work.
 

Jedamethis

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Life isn't meaningless until we have

1. Discovered whether alien life exists
2. Visited every planet
3. Gotten to know how the universe works
4. Found every flag
 

Jedoro

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The point of life is to live, to enjoy the damn thing while we have it.
 

XJ-0461

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To quote Fight Club: "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."

If you feel that you've lost everything, or lost everything that has a sense of purpose, then go nuts.

Take that holiday you've always wanted.
Go rock climbing.
Go bungee jumping.

Do whatever the hell you want. Get the adrenaline pumping. If you need something to give you a sense of purpose, try getting a bigger thrill each time.
 

Regret

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Kollega said:
Yeah, yeah, we're all gonna die, the universe is cold and meaningless, all people are dicks living on an insignificant ball of mud, so we may as well start killing everyone right now.

[HEADING=3]We all heard that one before.[/HEADING]

I don't know about you, but i live for two things.

A) To have fun myself and give it to others.
B) To see what happens next. It's kinda intresting.
Damn.

I racked my head for something to say to that for ages, but I can't. Because I have just realised that there is no discussion to be had here. I could argue that who cares if you give fun to others, they shall die eventually and that who cares what happens next, because everyone will fucking die eventually. But thats pretty much the only thing I have going for my argument. It may be correct, but thats not a debate.

Why didn't I think it through a bit more?
Oh well. That was fun.
Toodles!
 

benbenthegamerman

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The meaning of life? have fun. don't worry. be grateful for what you have. carpe diem. the meaning of life can't be defined as one meaning but mainly a composition of ideals that every person thinks he or she should live by. Everyone has their own meaning to life.

Also while were on the subject, Wafer-thin Mint anyone?
 

Tox1C420

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Do you have any emotions, do you feel like you can't feel anything and that you have to fake happiness/sadness or whatever emotion? Do you feel like you have a "Dark Passenger"?
 

Jonny49

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Congratulations, I think you have succeeded in making the most pessimistic thread ever. Yes, we are all going to die but that is no reason to jump in front of a train. You give life it's own meaning, you don't wait for someone else to give you a reason to live.
 

DRADIS C0ntact

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Regret said:
I could take a gun and kill anyone I damned well please and, for all intents and purposes, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.
Except for, you know, the person whose life you just ended. And the father and mother whose son/daughter was taken from them. And the spouse who is left without their husband/wife. And the child who is left without a mom/dad. You really think it wouldn't make a difference to anyone if you just up and killed another human being? What if this person would have gone on to discover or invent something incredibly important which would benefit the human race, but ultimately couldn't because you killed him. To quote a line from Dexter:

When you kill a man, you're not just taking his life. You're snuffing out all of the things he'll ever become.
Life itself is not meaningless, but if you go through life with that attitude then in the end, your particular life may very well be unless you change.
 

CognitiveDissonance

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Regret said:
Now, I feel that there is absolutely no purpose for anything that occurs anywhere in the universe (or, indeed, in others). I could take a gun and kill anyone I damned well please and, for all intents and purposes, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. I could discover the cure for cancer, but what good would that do? Everything is going to die eventually.
Sounds like you, my friend, are having an existentialist crisis. Of course, this is opinionated, but technically, nihilism has sound factual basis. From a purely detached perspective, of course, the universe does not care whether you run down that orphaned boy, however, being on par in regards to sentience with all other human beings, one could say that 'meaning' as such, is conferred upon you by the collective, if not yourself.

As such either their morals can apply to you, their morals being the sum of the communal whole, meaning that such an act would indeed be immoral and wrong. Conversely, you can be led by your own self, and take what some deem an amoral standpoint, this is superior in my opinion. Therefore the inherent 'meaning' of life is to enjoy yourself, live life to the fullest, 'carpe diem', etc etc. Depending on your level of empathy this urge can extend to catering for others needs. As you said, you could discover the cure for cancer. Perhaps, in the long run, if say the sun collides with earth, destroying humanity, at least the people cured will live longer and more fulfilling lives, as you would wish for yourself. Also, another possibility is that one of those people cured may be able to avert certain disasters for more individuals in future, perpetuating your kindness and overall improving the human race.

Many retort to this claim by stating, 'why would i care about the people in 100 years, i wont even be around?' A perfectly valid point, as is anything in a philosophical discussion. I believe that when one cannot remain as a conscious and sentient being, the 'next best thing' as it were, is to facilitate the enjoyment of life for others in future. Whilst i maintain the belief that consciousness descends into oblivion upon death, the burden of your posterity and inheritance still weighs heavily upon one's consciousness during life. Therefore, this caring and moral system is merely one more step into making the most out of your one, short, life.


Also, thank you for the interesting topic OP. It's great to see some truly philosophical stuff floating around. I mean, it got me thinking at 2 am in the morning, now that is impressive.
 

ReincarnatedFTP

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Regret said:
I could take a gun and kill anyone I damned well please and, for all intents and purposes, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.
Actually depending on your intents and purposes, it would make a difference. The difference would vary from the purpose or intent in your act and worldview.

And if it's all so pointless, why bother killing someone anyway? According to your philosophy, it makes no difference either way. The law will come down on you, and you'll have to face court and legal expenses, and most likely prison if you commit the murder. If you don't you can go on your merry way.
 

Sentient6

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Hm, discussion for the sake of discussion, with no point to it... This should lead to something interesting.
Anyways - YES, we all die eventually. So what? Have fun while you can. Fun is fun. It's good for you.