The Health Bar is more realistic than Regenerating.
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So what about Halo: Reach which incorporates both of these systems with its sheild regeneration with a health bar beneath?
yeah... none of them are realistic, and it is just a game.
Who cares anyway! health regeneration is better in my opinion, but I don't mind a health bar as well.
It depends which game it is, and which one would work better as well, think about it.
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Who cares anyway! health regeneration is better in my opinion, but I don't mind a health bar as well.
It depends which game it is, and which one would work better as well, think about it.
And to some everything up:
9_6 said:
Honestly, I couldn't give a damn if it's more "realistic". I'll go with the more fun option every time. I'm tired of temporarily halting my epic battle with aliens/nazis/zombies because I have to look around for health packs in bathtubs
And I actually consider both of them equally unrealistic. You can't heal battle wounds simply by not getting hit or touching some box with a plus symbol on it. I think it depends on how the game mechanics are set up. For example, Team Fortress 2 would be terrible with regenerating health system, and Halo would be awful with a health pack system (strictly health packs without any regenerating health, I mean)
And I actually consider both of them equally unrealistic. You can't heal battle wounds simply by not getting hit or touching some box with a plus symbol on it. I think it depends on how the game mechanics are set up. For example, Team Fortress 2 would be terrible with regenerating health system, and Halo would be awful with a health pack system (strictly health packs without any regenerating health, I mean)
Realism in games is over rated especially with the regenerating health nonsenseSoviet Heavy said:
I guess it would work in something like Halo Reach where you are waring power armor with a shield
so while you're getting shot your shield goes down than once that's gone you're armor is getting hit. once your armor gets penetrated you die...I guess
If you want a game with the most realistic damage system I've ever seen in a game play Limbo
The industry also seems to think that Farmville is enjoyable. And that paying more money for bits of games that got held back so they could be sold later is enjoyable. And that getting screwed in your out-hole by aggressive DRM is enjoyable. The industry sure does think a lot of things.Malicious Heart said:
Games should follow operation falshpoint dragon riseings example.
Insted of a health bar your given more of a "Blood Bar" you get hit and you start to bleed out. Your bar lowers until you bandage your wounds, then the bleeding stops, but your bar dosnt regenarate until you are able to gain full medical attention.
Im not saying this is for all games but it is good for shooters wanting to be more realistic.
Flashpoint was a extreamly underated game.
Insted of a health bar your given more of a "Blood Bar" you get hit and you start to bleed out. Your bar lowers until you bandage your wounds, then the bleeding stops, but your bar dosnt regenarate until you are able to gain full medical attention.
Im not saying this is for all games but it is good for shooters wanting to be more realistic.
Flashpoint was a extreamly underated game.
I like to think of Regenerating Health as realistic, not because you can take a bullet and recover, but rather as if the "low health" is a "danger indicator", showing how close you've gotten to being hit (with bullets flying all around, maybe one grazing your skin or impacting your clothes/armor) and the eventual killing shot being the only "real" hit.
Get slaughtered, start again, get better. If the game is well made, there shouldn't be any frustration: the trick is to make the challenge, and overcoming the challenge, enjoyable. The alternative is what we've currently got which is games that are far, far too easy because you get all your health back every five seconds.Robyrt said:
I'm sorry, but to me this reads as 'The difficulty has to be toned down otherwise it will spoil the movie we're trying to make'. Furthermore, it is entirely possible (as has been done for many generations of games) to have a health bar-centric game where you aren't grubbing around for health pick ups. God of War and Dante's Inferno for a start; Diablo 3 (when it finally comes out); and, in a way, all the FPS games - because you may not need health pick ups, but you still need ammo pick ups, and they work that in somehow.Robyrt said:
Furthermore, the sorts of games that have health regen seem to be a pretty bland bunch when considering their stories (or gameplay, for that matter). I'd much sooner have a game that's actually difficult than bothers with an involved storyline (if I can get both I'm happy - thank you Arkham Asylum - but if I have to choose I'll pick difficulty first any day - here's looking at you, Demon's Souls).
Most games don't portray losing health realistically. Not because they can't, but because they don't want to. If you were to take 2 or 3 bullets in real life, you'd have to be taken out of battle and take days laying down and waiting for the wounds to heal. Sounds like fun, huh?
And the majority of the game buying population that the industry makes games for.Malicious Heart said:
Three examples of games I felt did the health system really well; any of the Stalker games and Farcry 2 (even though that game was pretty mediocre in my books) and Battlefield Bad Company (singleplayer specifically).
Stalker;
You get shot, lose health, possibly start bleeding.
You get hit by a mutant or flying object (other than bullets), lose health, possibly start bleeding.
You walk into an anomaly, fall from a height or anything else potentially damaging... you lose health.
Unless you are carrying an artefact which regenerates health for you or are wearing armour that has some form of life support which does the same, you do not regenerate health. Added to that you can start bleeding after being hit, which, if left untreated will kill you; some mutants and weapons can cause such bad injuries that you bleed rapidly, meaning unless you apply bandages, you will die in a few seconds. Artefacts and armour that regenerate health rarely come without strings attached; most artefacts pump out pretty bad radiation and the armour usually has penalties; i.e you can't get another kind of modification for the armour.
Farcry 2; your health bar is divided into segments; within a segment, your health will regenerate to the top of the segment, but no further, forcing you to use a syrette (the game's equivalent of a health pack), which you aren't allowed to carry that many of. If your health goes into the final segement, you start bleeding out unless you get into cover and rather graphically fix the issue; I was playing multiplayer and when I did that, the character started pulling out broken teeth and I was like "bleeeeeeeeuuuuuuuugh! In fact, pretty much all the animations are nasty, but that was the one that freaked me out the most.
Battlefield Bad Company;
The Good
You carry a hypodermic needle called the auto-injector
It has infinite uses
The Bad
It has a cool-down between uses
The very bad
You will get shot a lot (unless you're paranoidly careful)
Only the assault class gets it in multiplayer (and you have to unlock it first)
Your health doesn't regenerate at all, so in singleplayer you have to use the auto-injector and in multiplayer, you have to be assault and use it, be support and use a health crate or go to a support class and get him to heal you.
All three of these work and force you to conserve the use of healing items, especially considering how easy you can die in all three on moderate or higher difficulty.
Can't deny though that CoD's 'jam on your face' system doesn't work though... of all the health regeneration systems, its probably the best IMO. I always felt that RSV2 didn't need one, considering you practically died instantly anyway.
Stalker;
You get shot, lose health, possibly start bleeding.
You get hit by a mutant or flying object (other than bullets), lose health, possibly start bleeding.
You walk into an anomaly, fall from a height or anything else potentially damaging... you lose health.
Unless you are carrying an artefact which regenerates health for you or are wearing armour that has some form of life support which does the same, you do not regenerate health. Added to that you can start bleeding after being hit, which, if left untreated will kill you; some mutants and weapons can cause such bad injuries that you bleed rapidly, meaning unless you apply bandages, you will die in a few seconds. Artefacts and armour that regenerate health rarely come without strings attached; most artefacts pump out pretty bad radiation and the armour usually has penalties; i.e you can't get another kind of modification for the armour.
Farcry 2; your health bar is divided into segments; within a segment, your health will regenerate to the top of the segment, but no further, forcing you to use a syrette (the game's equivalent of a health pack), which you aren't allowed to carry that many of. If your health goes into the final segement, you start bleeding out unless you get into cover and rather graphically fix the issue; I was playing multiplayer and when I did that, the character started pulling out broken teeth and I was like "bleeeeeeeeuuuuuuuugh! In fact, pretty much all the animations are nasty, but that was the one that freaked me out the most.
Battlefield Bad Company;
The Good
You carry a hypodermic needle called the auto-injector
It has infinite uses
The Bad
It has a cool-down between uses
The very bad
You will get shot a lot (unless you're paranoidly careful)
Only the assault class gets it in multiplayer (and you have to unlock it first)
Your health doesn't regenerate at all, so in singleplayer you have to use the auto-injector and in multiplayer, you have to be assault and use it, be support and use a health crate or go to a support class and get him to heal you.
All three of these work and force you to conserve the use of healing items, especially considering how easy you can die in all three on moderate or higher difficulty.
Can't deny though that CoD's 'jam on your face' system doesn't work though... of all the health regeneration systems, its probably the best IMO. I always felt that RSV2 didn't need one, considering you practically died instantly anyway.
My2Cents:
I prefer health bars over regeneration in any game. Maybe it is nostalgia but I get the feeling that game these days (OMG I sound old) use regeneration too much. There is less of a penalty on 'not playing the game the right way' (long excuse sentence for saying 'sucking').
Give me games that challenge me to replay ... scratch that ... retry a certain part of a level when I mess it up. Instead of letting me hide behind a corner until the red edges on the screen go away.
I prefer health bars over regeneration in any game. Maybe it is nostalgia but I get the feeling that game these days (OMG I sound old) use regeneration too much. There is less of a penalty on 'not playing the game the right way' (long excuse sentence for saying 'sucking').
Give me games that challenge me to replay ... scratch that ... retry a certain part of a level when I mess it up. Instead of letting me hide behind a corner until the red edges on the screen go away.
I actually liked that as well. Of course, the healing was justified by the bacteria jugs of magic sauce.Dango said: