True maturity is not to always back down, but to know when you should back down, and when you should stand and fight.
The idea that backing down is a sign of maturity
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You're also taught not to stir shit up. Surely this is a government conspiracy, one with the intent to force an Orwellian nightmare upon the world at large that will make use of the populace's self control and desire to not start an idiotic fight to keep rebellion in check. It all makes so much sense now.
I know we're all a bunch of Ayn Rand worshipping wankers who think that might is right and that Strength based Anarchy would be the best way to run the world yadda yadda yadda yadda
You sound like a bunch of 14 year olds who are displeased you can't get your way all the time and beat up people who make you angry without feeling guilt.
You sound like a bunch of 14 year olds who are displeased you can't get your way all the time and beat up people who make you angry without feeling guilt.
We're no doormats. There's a big difference between fighting personally to avenge a slight and civil disobedience. Most people are smart enough not to attack someone when provoked (of course the provoker will often try to push them over the limit because they're assholes), but can you find a single person who would claim the government is always right?
In the event the government does do something truly insane we won't back down out of some deep-seated urge to always back down, but because fighting SWAT teams and cops physically would be pointless and painful. Of course in some third-world countries armed resistance seems to be the only option, but they aren't given nearly as much education in this department.
On a less extreme level, if an extremely dumb law or rule is made most people will not follow it, and many cops will not bother enforcing it unless under strict supervision because they're civillians too. The main example of this I'm thinking of is the bicycle helmets law in my Province. I've never seen anyone get arrested over it, and because people don't believe helmets keep us safe they refuse to wear them. I do, but then I'm one of the scant handful who've actually had their lives, or at least a good number of brain cells saved by a helmet while cycling.
It goes even smaller-scale too- the upper administration of my job decreed about half a year ago that we are no longer allowed to have drinks while on-duty. Of our five managers, two obeyed and enforced this while not being watched.
In the event the government does do something truly insane we won't back down out of some deep-seated urge to always back down, but because fighting SWAT teams and cops physically would be pointless and painful. Of course in some third-world countries armed resistance seems to be the only option, but they aren't given nearly as much education in this department.
On a less extreme level, if an extremely dumb law or rule is made most people will not follow it, and many cops will not bother enforcing it unless under strict supervision because they're civillians too. The main example of this I'm thinking of is the bicycle helmets law in my Province. I've never seen anyone get arrested over it, and because people don't believe helmets keep us safe they refuse to wear them. I do, but then I'm one of the scant handful who've actually had their lives, or at least a good number of brain cells saved by a helmet while cycling.
It goes even smaller-scale too- the upper administration of my job decreed about half a year ago that we are no longer allowed to have drinks while on-duty. Of our five managers, two obeyed and enforced this while not being watched.
Getting pissed off and acting out of anger is easy. Overcoming your emotions long enough to see something through logically is harder but more rational. It does not seem that hard to grok.
You're only a doormat if you've backed off long enough to cool down and have the rationality to know for certain an injustice is being done, know what needs to be done for the long-term benefit of all, but be too afraid to do anything about it.
Flying off the handle is entirely different - you cause more harm than good by not thinking things through.
You're only a doormat if you've backed off long enough to cool down and have the rationality to know for certain an injustice is being done, know what needs to be done for the long-term benefit of all, but be too afraid to do anything about it.
Flying off the handle is entirely different - you cause more harm than good by not thinking things through.
Backing down... or ignoring someone is ONLY a sign of a great man if you could kill... umm defeat the foe with certainty. Also it helps if other know that. (Or you may seem like a coward)
But if someone challenges you, you have the right to dish out some asskicking. (Well in MANS laws anyway *g*) Losing on the other hand... its bad.
But if someone challenges you, you have the right to dish out some asskicking. (Well in MANS laws anyway *g*) Losing on the other hand... its bad.
Good question. I have always interpreted "it" as "that douche who keeps challenging you" so "it's not worth it" means "Dont waste your time on that douche bag"JWAN said:
In martial arts, instructors always tell you to run from a fight if you can, for 2 reasons :Wayte said:
1, you could kill someone with what you learn in martial arts classes.
2, you never know if they have some kind of concealed weapon.
Standing up for yourself >nonviolently< is one thing, especial given certain contexts. Defending yourself and your family is your right. But committing yourself to violence, over ego, or when there are other options, is a bad idea in so many ways.
