Gender inequality is and has always been based on two things.
That women are inferior outside of the home, and men are inferior inside of the home.
Every country that has embraced women's rights has been slowly working towards correcting the first one, but there are still a lot of laws that make it difficult for the father to be a stay at home dad, not to mention certain stigmas (which admittedly have nothing to do with rights).
Also, there are states with laws that state that if there are no extenuating circumstances, a custody case will rule in favor of the mother by default. I think that should be enough to get anyone angry.
historically people like me have never had to fight for any of the basic human rights that others have and I'm even living quite a comfortable lifestyle.
This is the only bit in that that I see as wrong. There have been cases of people who are white skinned being treated like second class citizens and yes I do have a certain bias to these cases but here we go. One case would be over in America a few years ago the boats would say "No Blacks, Dogs or Irish allowed" along with no Blacks and Irish need apply for jobs.
There are also these things called the Penal Laws. Now this is going back 400ish years but the actual laws introduced in the Penal laws were completely fucking ridiculous and mad.
The Catholic Church forbidden to keep church registers.
The Irish Catholic was forbidden the exercise of his religion.
He was forbidden to receive education.
He was forbidden to enter a profession.
He was forbidden to hold public office.
He was forbidden to engage in trade or commerce.
He was forbidden to live in a corporate town or within five miles thereof.
He was forbidden to own a horse of greater value than five pounds.
He was forbidden to own land.
He was forbidden to lease land.
He was forbidden to accept a mortgage on land in security for a loan.
He was forbidden to vote.
He was forbidden to keep any arms for his protection.
He was forbidden to hold a life annuity.
He was forbidden to buy land from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to receive a gift of land from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to inherit land from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to inherit anything from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to rent any land that was worth more than 30 shillings a year.
He was forbidden to reap from his land any profit exceeding a third of the rent.
He could not be guardian to a child.
He could not, when dying, leave his infant children under Catholic guardianship.
He could not attend Catholic worship.
He was compelled by law to attend Protestant worship.
He could not himself educate his child.
He could not send his child to a Catholic teacher.
He could not employ a Catholic teacher to come to his child.
He could not send his child abroad to receive education.
Anyway I am just trying to say just because a group of white males control a lot of wealth does not mean that other groups have not be subject to stuff like genocide or discrimination in their own country. I will agree there is a positive bias towards that group regardless of that in society that we need to move past.
Don't hate the English of now they didn't really have anything to do with that it is unfair to be feel like that unless they uphold this has having been something done right and still have that kinda Britannia should still rule the world type of attitude. They have somewhat tried to make amends just sometimes it feels hollow when talking about "The Troubles" and some idiot comes out with well the IRA did X so we were justified for doing Y. Well all I have to say is 2 wrongs don't make a right.
I would just like to reference how Hulk Hogan's ex wife cheated on him with a guy who was like 20, divorced him and got about 11 million of his hard earned money, left her children for him to take care of, then tried to defame him by saying he's gay.
Sounds a lot to me like there's unequality going on in her favor.
historically people like me have never had to fight for any of the basic human rights that others have and I'm even living quite a comfortable lifestyle.
This is the only bit in that that I see as wrong. There have been cases of people who are white skinned being treated like second class citizens and yes I do have a certain bias to these cases but here we go. One case would be over in America a few years ago the boats would say "No Blacks, Dogs or Irish allowed" along with no Blacks and Irish need apply for jobs.
There are also these things called the Penal Laws. Now this is going back 400ish years but the actual laws introduced in the Penal laws were completely fucking ridiculous and mad.
The Catholic Church forbidden to keep church registers.
The Irish Catholic was forbidden the exercise of his religion.
He was forbidden to receive education.
He was forbidden to enter a profession.
He was forbidden to hold public office.
He was forbidden to engage in trade or commerce.
He was forbidden to live in a corporate town or within five miles thereof.
He was forbidden to own a horse of greater value than five pounds.
He was forbidden to own land.
He was forbidden to lease land.
He was forbidden to accept a mortgage on land in security for a loan.
He was forbidden to vote.
He was forbidden to keep any arms for his protection.
He was forbidden to hold a life annuity.
He was forbidden to buy land from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to receive a gift of land from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to inherit land from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to inherit anything from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to rent any land that was worth more than 30 shillings a year.
He was forbidden to reap from his land any profit exceeding a third of the rent.
He could not be guardian to a child.
He could not, when dying, leave his infant children under Catholic guardianship.
He could not attend Catholic worship.
He was compelled by law to attend Protestant worship.
He could not himself educate his child.
He could not send his child to a Catholic teacher.
He could not employ a Catholic teacher to come to his child.
He could not send his child abroad to receive education.
Anyway I am just trying to say just because a group of white males control a lot of wealth does not mean that other groups have not be subject to stuff like genocide or discrimination in their own country. I will agree there is a positive bias towards that group regardless of that in society that we need to move past.
Don't hate the English of now they didn't really have anything to do with that it is unfair to be feel like that unless they uphold this has having been something done right and still have that kinda Britannia should still rule the world type of attitude. They have somewhat tried to make amends just sometimes it feels hollow when talking about "The Troubles" and some idiot comes out with well the IRA did X so we were justified for doing Y. Well all I have to say is 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Can be quite frustrating, really, a feeling of impotence. After the Nine Years War and the Penal Laws, and all the Irish have managed to do is get themselves labelled as drunks and terrorists? AND still lose a quarter of the country to their oppressors.
Hey, maybe I'm just bitter that my family's castle got blown up in the Nine Years War and I don't have any compensation.
Shockingly, I actually quite support imperialism on the basis that the subjugated populations are not treated as second class citizens. Unfortunately, that's hard to come by.
OH, and on-topic, I do fear that the heterosexual white man has suffered some reversal of fortune in the respect that we're not allowed to complain about anything. I mean, being of Irish extraction gives me a teensy bit of leeway where this is concerned, but it does not matter how shit your life gets, if you're a heterosexual white man, you'll still be better off than a wealthy, famous black man. However that works.
I do personally feel that oppression of minorities is played up far above what actually happens. I've been trying to argue that misogyny is NOT a common issue in the big picture. Obviously, there are pockets of resistance, but we've progressed beyond that. Brings into account the inequality where 'wife-beating' is concerned. If a woman goes all-out on attacking her husband, then he is socially obliged to just take it. Any attempt at resistance is met with WIFE BEATER.
Note I'm not saying that all wife beaters are like this. Most of them are genuinely trying to show off their power by attacking something they're convinced they can beat. Like furniture, doors, computers or women.
But then whenever I say things like this, I get yelled at for being sexist and racist. I'm really neither. And the 'different but equal' rule MOST CERTAINLY FUCKING APPLIES. It's not a mask for sexism. It's a god-damn honest truth!
I do beleive that society sufferes from reverse discrimination from time to time, and in reality Men are on the receiving end of unfair judgement. In reality though, there is sexism against women in modern society too. People need to stop drawing lines between us and the world will become a much happier place
I think people on this sight are ignorant of both movements. It also appears that the individuals who are posting here seem to be unaware that feminism and masculism are not always mutually exclusive, nor are they nescesarilly at odds. Both extremes are at odds however. I like to consider myself a supporter of both movements and an a active avoider of both extremes.
Ah, the Men's Rights Movement, oh you strange beast. I do call myself a masculinist (like a feminist, but for men) as well as a feminist, but there are major problems with the Men's Rights Movement.
First though, what's good:
There are problems in society related to sexism against men. Stuff like gender roles, ignoring things like domestic abuse against men and the rape of men are of particular concern. These are valid issues that need to be raised, along with issues like paternity leave and the fact that courts tend to favour women (and, funnily enough, these cases of sexism against men, have connotations that affect women negatively as well, so it's an issue for both causes)
But there are enormous problems with the Men's Rights Movement. Primarily, a lot of the people in the movement are assholes, blaming all problem on women and feminists in particular. Rather than uniting with feminists and dealing with issues, they instead choose to fight against feminism. Peruse Reddit's Men's Rights subreddit and you'll see what I mean.
Men are angry about feminism... and that's the cause of road rage and traffic jams?
OK...
Honestly I'm for equality for both genders, but that article's just silly. The only time I even think about feminism in a negative light, is when hearing something about the extremist side of it who believe that anything phallic is evil.
But that's rare and most likely an exaggeration.
There are certain concerns I have, they're more in the double standard area though.
Eh, it all boils down to the fact that we aren't yet truly equal. People don't look at things that happen to men and women and see them in the same light, and there's still preference for one over the other.
Sad to see in this day and age.
I agree with pretty much everything posted on this blog: http://noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz.wordpress.com/
Men get the short end of the stick a lot of times, and these issues should not be ignored, from the blog:
?The point is, men experience sexism, mistreatment, and discrimination in many places in society (to name just a few examples, the draft, female genital mutilation versus circumcision, divorce proceedings, false rape allegations, dangerous working environments, depression and suicide, falling education rates, under-reported rape and domestic violence, etc.). Just as men have an advantage (or privilege) over women in society in many respects, the reverse is also true. That?s the point of this blog: We need to start better addressing the ways in which men get the short end of the stick.?
I think it is very important we do something about this and I support men who are tired of this whole heartedly (I am a women if that means something).
Protip: It's some people who just happen to be men stopping women from fighting on the front lines and the majority of people in charge of lawmaking and the authorities? Also some people who just happen to be men.
Please don't blame us for the fact that those in charge are men. We'd rather they'd not be either, that way we wouldn't constantly be compared to them, which somehow never ends up in our favour. Every good thing they do only causes us to look bad in comparison and every bad thing they do we somehow share the responsibility for.
You don't like people extrapolating whiny, spoiled gold-digging bitches from the past over all women and then treating them as such.
So please, don't treat us as greedy, powerful and conservative assholes. We're not, we don't even want to be.
on the internet it seems there is a new group emergine...angry men who campgn for mens rights like this guy: http://www.angryharry.com/esFeminismCausesTrafficCongestion.htm <-I would hazard a guess that he is on the extreme end of things
on the extreme end, you have the belive that feminists are some big powerful force that are out to destry men (I mean on almost conspirisy theory levels)
but anyway
some see it as thinly veild mysogany...or just whining..as pointied out in this blog (for extra fun read the comments) http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/i-am-angry-white-man-hear-me-roar/
BUT thats not to say there arnt some issues, I think thats hard to deny
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its somtimes hard not to be biased, but I absolutly detest the likes of angry harry up their..ESPECIALLY when you use bullshit arguments like "MEN did all the good stuff in society blah blah blah" no...just no
I think its just an outlet for a general hate of the oposite gender...JUST like extreme feminists, thease groups arnt any better
and thats whats frustrating..no middle ground, YES there are issues though, and they need some attention, but it shits me when some feel the need to stoop to the hateful "feminazi" line of thinking they hate so much themselfs..
on other words..fucking hypocrites...(just the extremists mind)
but thats jsut me...
what do you think? shoud htease guys just man up and stop whining? they correct in anyway?
I thoroughly enjoyed your thoughtful post, most especially the call to "man up" at the end. I personally don't use the term "feminazi" because it's a (Rush) Limbaugh-ism so it makes it very easy for others to assume that I share that douchebag's view of women.
This is not a new phenomenon. Ever since women began to establish true civil liberties men have decried the downfall of civilization. Hell, I overheard 3 guys at work bitching because women no longer "know their place" just two nights ago. It's backdoor sexism and you're right, it's whiny and not terribly adult or masculine. And this doesn't just apply to gender politics. The Tea Party is basically a big gathering of white, middle-class, Christian, straight traditionalists - in other words, the priveleged - pissing and moaning that no one's standing up for their rights. There are SO many more people standing up for their rights, and there's quite a bit less people trying to keep them down. They've bitched for a couple of decades that there's a Black Entertainment Television. "Where's the White Entertainment Television?" It's on every other channel, dumbass.
All of this just clouds the real issue. I'm a straight white guy from a middle-class, Christian background, but I have been discriminated against in the workplace because of my race and sex, and I've been sexually harassed at work twice. Discrimination against those who come from privelege does in fact happen. It just happens a Helluvah lot less frequently. And I'm pretty sure just about all of my friends of color have been discriminated against more than I, just as I know that most women I know have been harassed a great deal more.
Also: you're right to call these guys extremist. For decades, vast right wing propaganda networks funded by some of the most filthy rich people on the planet and supported by the most charlatan of preachers have produced an immeasurable amount of literature and airtime dedicated to the idea of a homosexual cabal who want to invade our schools and turn all of our kids gay and destroy the nuclear family, the idea of progressives as hateful miscreant hippie swingers who want to destroy Christianity, and the idea that perhaps we really should be fearful of everyone darker-skinned than us.
One issue with how people treat Rape.
A story in Israel where a soldier had been accused of raping a woman, who he had been dating with for a while. He's 19 and she's 17.5, and she accused him of Rape, Battery and threatening to kill her. He got jailed immediately and the investigation continued. When they were just about to press charges and move it into the court, The Soldier's lawye found something interesting.
A list of Phone Text Messages between the two, with the girl depicting how she will make his life a living hell and how he is going to regret dumping her for another woman for the rest of his life.
Yeah.
They can snap your life like they can snap their fingers.
Bang.
Protip: It's some people who just happen to be men stopping women from fighting on the front lines and the majority of people in charge of lawmaking and the authorities? Also some people who just happen to be men.
Please don't blame us for the fact that those in charge are men. We'd rather they'd not be either, that way we wouldn't constantly be compared to them, which somehow never ends up in our favour. Every good thing they do only causes us to look bad in comparison and every bad thing they do we somehow share the responsibility for.
You don't like people extrapolating whiny, spoiled gold-digging bitches from the past over all women and then treating them as such.
So please, don't treat us as greedy, powerful and conservative assholes. We're not, we don't even want to be.
In no way was I lumping you all together I was just stating a fact. These male activists somehow blame everything on women when it's really an issue of laws or the authorities of which, ironically, the majority are men.
In no way was I lumping you all together I was just stating a fact. These male activists somehow blame everything on women when it's really an issue of laws or the authorities of which the, ironically, the majority are men.
These male activists are not representative for all men.
Men aren't stopping women from fighting on the front lines. So don't say we do.
A select number of politicians are stopping women from fighting on the front lines.
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