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Venatio

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Hikikomori Ookami said:
Venatio said:
America's forces are a full volunteer set-up, we havent had a draft since Vietnam. We have to work out some kinks though, such as obliterating that rule not allowing gays to join the military (we lost 12,000 soldiers that way).
The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy allows homosexuals to join the military, they just aren't allowed to conduct in behavior that could be classified as homosexual. This will probably change in the next 5 to 10 years though.
The war might be over by then. We need men!

... I'm sorry did that not come out right? Just kidding, Red vs Blue reference :p
 

McClaud

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Skarin said:
Sadly though, this almost never happens!. If we were to use a carpet bombing strategy against the enemy, the most likely and common outcome will be the enemy using the massive civilian casualties and infrastructure loss (that inevitably happens with carpet bombing) as a cause to recruit more for their side and cause.

Whenever one party uses a "shock and awe" approach the other will instantly counter with a "rally against oppression" approach. Sure carpet bombing will demoralize some, but that will quickly turn to defiance when leaders rally the victims, their families and survivors under a cause.

The modern battlefield is more about the propaganda element than it has ever been. If we take innocent lives in our campaign then the enemy will use that mistake to incite fear among their troops and command others to join their cause.

We won't be scaring them for long. They will just fight back harder and in greater numbers, led by fanatical crazy people.

This is why we don't carpet bomb things anymore. Every unnecessary death we make gives them a reason to double their ranks and that is not something we want to do in a war.

Your scenario of having the population turn on the oppressors is *optimistic* at best. In reality they may want to, but the enemy leaders know this, so they spin a different tale real fast before descent could spread. This is why there are some wars still been fought even though and end to hostilities has been declared.
I'll even take it one step farther and tell the pseudo-troll that the Geneva Conventions is partly constructed to keep captives safe. In larger scale wars than the Iraqi conflict. When we start breaking the GC, we give EVERYONE in the world the right to break the GC on us and basically torture and/or kill our soldiers that are POWs.

On top of that, war is as much politics as it is fighting. If we carpet-bombed Iraq and killed all the civilians, we wouldn't have anyone's support (no Japan, no Europe, no Russia) in future wars. They may even join the OPPOSITE side and support them because we turned into a bunch of mass-murdering fuckwits.
 

Spitfire175

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Captain Pancake said:
Wow. Now I feel like a twat for arguing with a military man.
No reason to do so. Army training does look tough and overwhelming, it can be intimidating. Granted, it's not a walk in the park, but anyone with 2 legs, 2 arms and a head can do it.
 

ReincarnatedFTP

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jasoncyrus said:
I was wondering when an idiot like you would misread my posts.

I never said I condoned it. I said it was flawed. LEARN-TO-FUCKING-READ.

I never once condoned Terrorism, I condoned the current us occupation of iraq, they simply havn't started executing civilians yet. (at least not that we know of)

Also, you're an idiot for actually thinking 9/11 was terrorists. Theres way too many inconsistencies for it to be terrorists.

Prime Example: They said 2 planes VAPORISED on impact. They would be the first two planes in HISTORY to do so. It's physically IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen.

Damn right civilians are justified targets. When you declare war on a COUNTRY it means you have classified everyone and everything in it as an enemy. Dumbass.
Oh I get it now, you're a troll.
I can fucking read and you're the asshole who talked down about Britain for not using a counter productive strategy that would only be used in the modern day by a monkey fucking retard, then called me an idiot.
While believing in stupid ass conspiracy theories.
You then say you don't condone terrorism, while stating civilians are justified targets.The prime definition of terrorism.

10/10
Well played.
 

Desert Tiger

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Similar set up? Fuck no. We have no such system in Britain, I think the only time you may get called up is in times of invasion or whatnot. Sorry my ex-viking chum.

Matter of fact the only other country I can think of with such a set up is Israel.
I don't think we'd get called up even then. That's what the TA's for.
 

jasoncyrus

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ReincarnatedFTP said:
Tut tut, at least I was mostly civil and actually pointed out the flaws in your posts rather than go on a 12 year old rant multi cussing and throwing groundless slanders at someone who kicked your verbal ass.

It seems I shall have to pick you're ego apart with proper debate and analysis.

First of all, obviously you lack the ability to properly read and more importantly comprehend the content of posts since you havn't properly read or udnerstood any of my posts so far. Not surprising for someone with your apparent mental age.

I'm from the UK, thus I get free bashing rights of our retarded military, end of argument on that point.

Second: Oh yes they are doing *such* a good job in the middle east right now that our enemies are quivering in fear, oh wait no they are laughing at us and blowing us up road side bombs etc. We have bomb and mine resistant tanks and personell carriers, but instead of using them we use regular transports in a warzone that is infamous for roadside bombs etc. Absolute genius are military is! Get a clue, kthxbye.

Third: It's not a "stupid ass conspiracy theory" because there are *mountains* of evidence to support it. Try reading up on things firstly, both sides of it, instead of blindly following what the government tells you like a SHEEP. Here I thought only smart people that could debate added to threads these days, it seems a blind closed minded extremist slipped through the net. Let me guess, you think the swine flu vaccine has "cancer virus" in it after seeing that uninformed idiot rant about it on the net?

I didn't say I didn't condone it either. Just because you target civilians doesn't make you a terrorist. Otherwise the US military is guilty of being terrorists during vietnam etc whenever a village was wrongly napalmed etc.

And pointing out terrorism's official definition is pointless because since it is this "The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes."

That makes the entire world's governments terrorists, since they've all done that. Hell they do that everytime theres a big protest.

Nice try but all in all, epic fail.
 

Jerich0

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JWAN said:
Jerich0 said:
well the U.S. doesn't have a draft anymore (used to back in history times) but it's a volunteer-type deal over here in teh west.
The president can still call it up though. Lets say some country with extreme disregard of self respect tries to invade us, for example, the Bahamas, lets say they get further than 16 yards off the shore and invade Rhode Island, the president can call up the draft.
true story. but we aren't being invaded, and i don't think anyone's raring for a campaign against us... so i aint afeard a' no draft!
 

ReincarnatedFTP

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jasoncyrus said:
ReincarnatedFTP said:
Tut tut, at least I was mostly civil and actually pointed out the flaws in your posts rather than go on a 12 year old rant multi cussing and throwing groundless slanders at someone who kicked your verbal ass.

It seems I shall have to pick you're ego apart with proper debate and analysis.

First of all, obviously you lack the ability to properly read and more importantly comprehend the content of posts since you havn't properly read or udnerstood any of my posts so far. Not surprising for someone with your apparent mental age.

I'm from the UK, thus I get free bashing rights of our retarded military, end of argument on that point.

Second: Oh yes they are doing *such* a good job in the middle east right now that our enemies are quivering in fear, oh wait no they are laughing at us and blowing us up road side bombs etc. We have bomb and mine resistant tanks and personell carriers, but instead of using them we use regular transports in a warzone that is infamous for roadside bombs etc. Absolute genius are military is! Get a clue, kthxbye.

Third: It's not a "stupid ass conspiracy theory" because there are *mountains* of evidence to support it. Try reading up on things firstly, both sides of it, instead of blindly following what the government tells you like a SHEEP. Here I thought only smart people that could debate added to threads these days, it seems a blind closed minded extremist slipped through the net. Let me guess, you think the swine flu vaccine has "cancer virus" in it after seeing that uninformed idiot rant about it on the net?

I didn't say I didn't condone it either. Just because you target civilians doesn't make you a terrorist. Otherwise the US military is guilty of being terrorists during vietnam etc whenever a village was wrongly napalmed etc.

And pointing out terrorism's official definition is pointless because since it is this "The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes."

That makes the entire world's governments terrorists, since they've all done that. Hell they do that everytime theres a big protest.

Nice try but all in all, epic fail.
1)No you didn't, and you in fact flamed me as an idiot and you're still flaming like you just got out of a gay bar.Falsehood.
2)Strawman, never said you didn't have that right, and you completely avoided the issue of "hurr duur we'll carpet bomb them all"
3)No there isn't, Alex Jones and Loose Change, do not good sources make. And the people who believe in the cancer virus probably overlap with people who believe 9/11 was an inside job.
4)Accidents happen.Intentional or known bombing of civilians is terrorism.Not to mention we shouldn't have been in Vietnam anyway.And if all governments do it, it would sure make this whole War on Terror a crock of shit wouldn't it? Essentially terrorism has become a meaningless word, but I just wanted to point out originally that what you said would technically be terrorism, since you would accept known civilian casualties, and make sure you wouldn't be a hypocrite.

Nice try but all in all, you're a troll.
:p Good work though.
 

GreyWolf257

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In the US we have Drafts, but they aren't used anymore.
Well, the draft can technically be calld back into action, but it will be very unpopular.
 

gremily

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Sounds like a weird form of draft. We don't have anything like that in the U.S. At least not anymore.
 

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Somthing said:
So yesterday i was in a sort of meeting with military personnel from my country where you get told about the military and get your sight, hearing, intelligence etc tested. This is due to the fact that in Norway when you become 18 you may be called into service for the military. Now this session i was at yesterday is basically just the start and if i get a letter from the military saying ill be called in ill be going to the army for about a year.

So while i was thinking of my own possible entrance into the army i started to wonder if other countries got a similar system setup or if its just us ex-vikings up here.

So please tell me where you are from and your experiences with tha army ^^.

Are you talking about a draft? The U.S hasn't had a major draft since 'nam, so I would say no.
 

TheGreatCoolEnergy

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Canada-Military is strictly voluntary, although if there is a serious war(like an invasion of Canada) I think the government would introduce wartime measures(Martial law) and then have a draft if nescessary, like in the states
 

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jasoncyrus said:
Lyiat said:
Okay, so you condoned Nazi Germany as a place to be emulated in warfare, so you condone fascism.
You've also condoned terrorism, so while I can't make you take that back, I'd at least like to make sure you stay consistent.You have basically lost the right to whine about terrorism being bad, and have stated that civilians are justified targets.

You basically agree with the 9/11 hijackers and Hitler, good to know.
I was wondering when an idiot like you would misread my posts.

I never said I condoned it. I said it was flawed. LEARN-TO-FUCKING-READ.

I never once condoned Terrorism, I condoned the current us occupation of iraq, they simply havn't started executing civilians yet. (at least not that we know of)

Also, you're an idiot for actually thinking 9/11 was terrorists. Theres way too many inconsistencies for it to be terrorists.

Prime Example: They said 2 planes VAPORISED on impact. They would be the first two planes in HISTORY to do so. It's physically IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen.

Damn right civilians are justified targets. When you declare war on a COUNTRY it means you have classified everyone and everything in it as an enemy. Dumbass.
I don't think you'd say the same things if you were in a country that was invaded. Why would we execute civilians? They have valuable information that they won't give up if they're dead.

It's much better to win a war by being nice to civilians and mean to the people they don't like. How do you think the Roman Empire grew so large? They made friends with everyone and protected them in times of war.
 

WrathofthePenguin

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There's nothing in the US forcing you to join the military for any sort of time though you do have to register for the Draft at 18
No it was not abolished, it's just not used without a state of emergency
 

Chester41585

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Dunno if it's been said before, but Israel has mandatory military service for men and women. There are, of course exemptions and what not.
They're pretty damn tough for what they are. Just check out their military history.
As for physical examinations, I'm pretty sure it's the same basic eyes-ears-throat-groin physical every other military has.
 

Neurowaste

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-Orgasmatron- said:
Conscription only seems to go on in countries around Russia in my experience, nothing like it here in the UK. It's understandable though, gotta be on your toes around those Ruskies.
Got some kinda suspicion against my country boy? I cut you. kidding, anyways, USA is all volunteer, back in Venezuela where i lived as a child after moving from Russia is the is the only place other than Israel i can think of that still has Conscripts. My dad trained in Venezuela and was selected to join "Alfa" Spetsnaz group because he was stationed there in a Russian base, so, he wasn't really conscripted by Venezuela but my relative on my mom side all have done some kind of military service and I am heading off to Marine Corps basic this December.
 

Necrofudge

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Well in Belarus, yeah at 18 you are required to join the army. The other option is going to college which I think is fantastic. It sends a pretty nice message of go to school or go die.