The new Pokémon

[Cowabungaa]

Pokemon wise, it looks like the latest generations of them are made by people on acid. Gameplay wise I prefer Ruby though, it was a bit more varied then Gold and Red. Especially the different area's and clearly different cities like think the tree-city, or that volcano part. But I'm fine with 251 of the little creatures.

 

[KronosIII]

Indeed Red and Blue were amazing but what you are saying is as if you are a dumb fanboy. I played them from blue to the diamond game. They are all the same game. If anything the game got better with every pokemon. There really is no such thing as a worthless pokemon anymore. I do agree that the pokemon look dumber looking and lack any form of effort now. And with every game release they make more legendary pokemon. I think D/P have around 10 of them. Reason for so many is for marketing in pokemon movies for the kids to watch. My favorite pokemon game has to be gold version, but all the pokemon games are good or almost equal. And legendary Pokemon are for lame'Os anyway.

 

[stormcaller]

I liked G/S/C the most, R/S/E was fairly good aswell (never played the originals)but from what I've seen of the new season they've taken the whole "animal" aspect away from element-controllin animals in that everyone of the new season I have seen looks either complicated and/or wearing some kind of armor (Armor should've stopped at Hitmonchan's uniform imo)

I still hate how fucking,impossibly hard it is to "Catch em' all" in a game built around that premise.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

I never played the Ruby/Saphire/Emerald generation but skipped to the Pearl/Diamond/Platinum generation and wonder to myself "why bother anymore?". This is no longer the Pokemon I grew up with, all these hidden stats, traits, sweepers, etc. I will stick with Red/Blue/Yellow and Gold/Silver/Crystal generations

Amen. The person that introduced hidden stats and natures and effort values ruined the game for me. I was doing perfectly well with my Sapphire team until he came in and turned Pokemon into a second job for me. When I played Diamond, if a Pokemon had a bad nature or stats, I wouldn't touch it. Then I realised the monster I had become, and went back to playing like I did when I was a kid. I don't care what stats it has, my Blastoise is awesome dammit

The sad thing is, they were always there. (including the EVs...) That's why Pokemon Statium is so awesome. The rental pokemon are all pure and simple; no TMs or special strategies.

You don't need to worry about natures and EVs and IVs if you just want to have fun. You only need those if you play REALLY competitively.

Also, long live the Battle Factory from Pokemon Emerald! Having to work with what they give really brings out the strategist in me...

 

[ThePlasmatizer]

The problem with the new Pokemon games is that the original audience who were Pokemon fans and had fun playing the originals have grown up and unfortunately the games haven't.

Now we play a variety of games and we are all older so we can see that the new Pokemon games are mediocre and haven't moved forward at all. When we all played Red and Blue it was new and exciting especially the inclusion of trading. It was an amazing game for the time but unfortunately the series isn't anymore as what once made it interesting and unique has been carbon copied too many times.

Each generation they release a couple hundred more Pokemon each with increasingly worse designs and no doubt they will also release a bad anime tie-in as well.

For those with rose tinted glasses I have to tell you the first series of Pokemon was bad and cheesy, this wasn't unforgivable because it had it's charm and it was enjoyable to watch nonetheless. The newer series are abysmal with new characters nobody cares about, new Pokemon nobody cares about and script cheesier than cheddar.

I just wish one of the developers said "hey, we started off tthis series with something unique, let's do that again." This won't happen and Pokemon will remain a shadow of it's former glory.

 

[joystickjunki3]

Most, if not all, of the newer Pokemon look like Digimon. I don't mind additions (even if 386 is a bit unmanageable), but I'd like it if the monsters looked members of the franchise they represent.

EDIT: Apparently I meant that 493 monsters is a bit unmanageable.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

Most, if not all, of the newer Pokemon look like Digimon. I don't mind additions (even if 386 is a bit unmanageable), but I'd like it if the monsters looked members of the franchise they represent.

...what the fuck does it mean that they look like Digimon? I would like to better understand this theory. If you would be kind enough to provide an example and elaborate.

 

[NoDamnNames]

Chasing the legendary dogs all over hells creation (This was some of the greatest fun i have had in any game), and being able to travel in between Kanto and Johto.

If that's fun, then I've got to wonder if you enjoy pain, too.

It isn't difficult, after you have seen them once (when you awaken them you will see them in the direction they ran almost without fail) you can track their position with your pokedex and anticipate their next move. once you are in their area use a repel and you are 90% chance bound to see them. As i said before mean look them with Gengar or what have you so they can't run and then hypnosis/disable them until they are easy to catch. Use heavy balls or fast balls. Ive' caught the legendary dogs every time I've played gold and silver start to finish.

Which Dog is your favorite? I've always been a Suicune guy, myself.

The same for me. Raiku and Entie (I think i spelled them correctly) just didn't look as cool as suicune and didn't have the same feel when you were using them. This is probably why Suicune had its big role in crystal.



One other big thing i forgot to mention about G/S/C was the alternate colored pokemon. Supposedly super rare, and every pokemon had an alternate color, though the only one you get to catch linearly was red gyrados. Supposedly these alternate colored pokemon could be caught in the wild.

I don't know about everyone else but i played Gold through 5 times, silver through 3 times, and crystal through 1 time and NOT ONCE did i see an alternate colored pokemon in the wild. they must be awfully freeking rare if they will appear normally. If anyone knows what i was doing wrong or if anyone has seen an alternate colored pokemon in the wild please let me know.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

If anyone knows what i was doing wrong or if anyone has seen an alternate colored pokemon in the wild please let me know.

I did see a few. I saw an alternate color Oddish and a few others. Never saw a shiny in D/P/Pt though...Its all luck, btw. You can't force an alternate color skin to appear. Just look at a sprite chart if you want to see them.

 

[Strong Intelligent]

Indeed Red and Blue were amazing but what you are saying is as if you are a dumb fanboy. I played them from blue to the diamond game. They are all the same game. If anything the game got better with every pokemon. There really is no such thing as a worthless pokemon anymore. I do agree that the pokemon look dumber looking and lack any form of effort now. And with every game release they make more legendary pokemon. I think D/P have around 10 of them. Reason for so many is for marketing in pokemon movies for the kids to watch. My favorite pokemon game has to be gold version, but all the pokemon games are good or almost equal. And legendary Pokemon are for lame'Os anyway.

Fifteen, including "Rotom".

 

[NoDamnNames]

If anyone knows what i was doing wrong or if anyone has seen an alternate colored pokemon in the wild please let me know.

I did see a few. I saw an alternate color Oddish and a few others. Never saw a shiny in D/P/Pt though...Its all luck, btw. You can't force an alternate color skin to appear. Just look at a sprite chart.

You must have good luck or i was just so grind-hypnotized that i didn't notice, which is highly possible. I heard that they all have the sparkle animation when they appear like red gyrados.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

Indeed Red and Blue were amazing but what you are saying is as if you are a dumb fanboy. I played them from blue to the diamond game. They are all the same game. If anything the game got better with every pokemon. There really is no such thing as a worthless pokemon anymore. I do agree that the pokemon look dumber looking and lack any form of effort now. And with every game release they make more legendary pokemon. I think D/P have around 10 of them. Reason for so many is for marketing in pokemon movies for the kids to watch. My favorite pokemon game has to be gold version, but all the pokemon games are good or almost equal. And legendary Pokemon are for lame'Os anyway.

Fifteen, including "Rotom".

Not so fast!
Rotom can breed. Manaphy can, too, but he results in a completely separate pokemon.

If anyone knows what i was doing wrong or if anyone has seen an alternate colored pokemon in the wild please let me know.

I did see a few. I saw an alternate color Oddish and a few others. Never saw a shiny in D/P/Pt though...Its all luck, btw. You can't force an alternate color skin to appear. Just look at a sprite chart.

You must have good luck or i was just so grind-hypnotized that i didn't notice, which is highly possible. I heard that they all have the sparkle animation when they appear like red gyrados.

I think they did, in fact, have such an animation. I never did do anything with that Oddish. I don't even remember if I caught it or not...

 

[Grand_Poohbah]

I loved the originals, but I have played sapphire.

 

[Strong Intelligent]

I have a shiny Vileplume I use for contests.

Speaking of, they're my least favourite thing about the new gens.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

I have a shiny Vileplume I use for contests.

Speaking of, they're my least favourite thing about the new gens.

The contests were never intended to be fun...Just really tacked on.

 

[Doc Theta Sigma]

I never played the Ruby/Saphire/Emerald generation but skipped to the Pearl/Diamond/Platinum generation and wonder to myself "why bother anymore?". This is no longer the Pokemon I grew up with, all these hidden stats, traits, sweepers, etc. I will stick with Red/Blue/Yellow and Gold/Silver/Crystal generations

Amen. The person that introduced hidden stats and natures and effort values ruined the game for me. I was doing perfectly well with my Sapphire team until he came in and turned Pokemon into a second job for me. When I played Diamond, if a Pokemon had a bad nature or stats, I wouldn't touch it. Then I realised the monster I had become, and went back to playing like I did when I was a kid. I don't care what stats it has, my Blastoise is awesome dammit

The sad thing is, they were always there. (including the EVs...) That's why Pokemon Statium is so awesome. The rental pokemon are all pure and simple; no TMs or special strategies.

I should have worded that better. I'm not saying the person that put them in ruined it, I was talking about a... Let's call him an acquaintance that pointed them out to me.

 

[joystickjunki3]

Most, if not all, of the newer Pokemon look like Digimon. I don't mind additions (even if 386 is a bit unmanageable), but I'd like it if the monsters looked members of the franchise they represent.

...what the fuck does it mean that they look like Digimon? I would like to better understand this theory. If you would be kind enough to provide an example and elaborate.

Relax, no need to get angry. I simply meant that the newer Pokemon, after the Gold/Silver entries, have slowly started to take on a more Digimon look. My example would be the Pokemon Carnivine (#455). Looks kinda similar to Palmon. And Purugly (#432) looks like something Gatomon might digivolve into.

So it's not that I think they're exactly like Digimon. I'd more say that they're heading in that direction. Don't you think Giratina looks like the lovechild of the 2 series? Just a little bit?

EDIT: To just be clear, I actually liked Diamond/Pearl and plan on buying Platinum. The gameplay is fine. I'd like to be able to walk diagonally, but whatever.

 

[theultimateend]

God damn it. I'm 18 and I'm sick of having to defend to new generation's greatness. The original 151 are tainted by feelings of nostalgia. The new games are just as good, each game improving on the basics in new ways.The gameplay keeps getting deeper and deeper, with more layers of strategy ever game, while at the same time containing the playability of being able to beat the story using your favorite. Everyone I know pretty much just used a Zapdos and Mewtwo in the original, but now they can make nearly any pokemon serve a purpose. Just look at the way each pokemon gets a page: http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/

And G/S/C was my favorite, with R/B/Y being my least favorite.

Pretty much what this person said.

Likewise they aren't making new pokemon to 'cash in' because they don't HAVE to make new pokemon. Frankly they could release the same pokemon on different maps and people would still buy them, I'm certain I would.

I've seen nothing but improvements with the games, they are just missing a few small things I'd like. Like being able to have all my pokemons (or at least one) follow me in outfits .

Likewise a full 3d pokemon mmorpg would dominate the world.

Most, if not all, of the newer Pokemon look like Digimon. I don't mind additions (even if 386 is a bit unmanageable), but I'd like it if the monsters looked members of the franchise they represent.

...what the fuck does it mean that they look like Digimon? I would like to better understand this theory. If you would be kind enough to provide an example and elaborate.

Relax, no need to get angry. I simply meant that the newer Pokemon, after the Gold/Silver entries, have slowly started to take on a more Digimon look. My example would be the Pokemon Carnivine (#455). Looks kinda similar to Palmon. And Purugly (#432) looks like something Gatomon might digivolve into.

So it's not that I think they're exactly like Digimon. I'd more say that they're heading in that direction. Don't you think Giratina looks like the lovechild of the 2 series? Just a little bit?

Likewise all animals and people in all animes look like all other animals and people in all animes. It's not exactly the worlds most diverse art style. I know people are going to nail me with one million and one examples of 'creative uniqueness' but of all my exploits in art I'd say the Japanese pop art (while enjoyable) has easily been the least diverse.

 

[Eric the Orange]

I do think the fact that they keep adding more meens that you are going to get more and more copys of others. Really id say theres what 20-25 battle "types", everything else is just details. And don't get me started on people who don't evolve there pokemon to keep them cute.

 

[theultimateend]

Then new pokemon aremostly pathetic but pretty good. They need to stop making more, otherwise they will just forget the old ones. Oh wait too late

You do realize the reason they add more is because they go to new continents and GASP animals on different continents are different! More gasp there is overlap sometimes!

Sweet effing jesus, when did this happen? This is totally unlike how one would expect it to work.

That goes to everyone not just you who's said "No moar plz!"

As far as I've seen every new addition and every new legendary has had a purpose.

But that said they have reached the top of the legendary scale, everything from here on in will be side stories, you can't (and they don't appear to want) to get larger than the creator. Which is Arceus if I'm not mistaken.

I do think the fact that they keep adding more meens that you are going to get more and more copys of others. Really id say theres what 20-25 battle "types", everything else is just details. And don't get me started on people who don't evolve there pokemon to keep them cute.

Get you started on one of the original pieces of advice red and blue gave players? "It's not about having the strongest team its about having creatures you like." It was like the second city or something where someone tells you that.