The New Tea Party

[Alex_P]

Also, some conservatives were calling some liberals communists, not nazis. i wouldn't expect you to know this, but there's a huge difference.

Tell that to the tea-party guys:

-- Alex

 

[Barry93]

Also, some conservatives were calling some liberals communists, not nazis. i wouldn't expect you to know this, but there's a huge difference.

Tell that to the tea-party guys:

-- Alex

one on the left is communist...understandable
one on the right is clearly being held by a redneck, that's ONE person

 

[sheic99]

Also, some conservatives were calling some liberals communists, not nazis. i wouldn't expect you to know this, but there's a huge difference.

Tell that to the tea-party guys:

-- Alex

Why would you use a swastika and a Hammer and Sickle to describe the same person? Hilter hated communism almost as much as he hated jews.

As a side note, if the guy in the center or right drives a BMW, I would fall off my chair laughing at them.

 

[Alex_P]

one on the left is communist...understandable
one on the right is clearly being held by a redneck, that's ONE person

Google's making it pretty easy to find a boatload more of self-professed conservatives calling Obama a Nazi.

No surprise. Regardless of what side of the stupid proverbial "aisle" you're on, calling everybody you dislike a Nazi is de riguer in American politics -- has been for years.

-- Alex

 

[Nurb]

Republicans get people who vote against their own interests, don't know the definition of facism together and pretend they cared all along about fiscal responsibility. At the same time, they completely screw with what the original tea party was all about: Taxation without representation. They complain about government spending, it's not even in the same ball park.

 

[tsb247]

Name a service or good that is ever needed more urgently than being rescued from a burning building.

If you are referring to goods and/or services provided by the free-market economy, then I would be glad to name some:

Food
Shoes
clothing
banking (more than just loans!)
construction
automobiles

There are too many to list really...

It takes less time--"needed more urgently"--to die from starvation/foot blisters/environmental exposure/putting money in your mattress/living outdoors/walking than it does to die from smoke inhalation/toxic fumes/YOUR ASS BEING ON FIRE when trapped in a burning building?

I was not referring to urgent needs, but rather needs/goods/services provided by a free-market economy.

 

[Oldmanwillow]

Why do taxes always have to get lower? They're already low, and the government needs them to do things for you!

Anything the government can do for me i can do better privately. I dont need them regulating my every move economically and i do not want to give them the means to regulate me more. The federal government a waste of money. i didn't attend the tea parties because they are retarded.

 

[Captain Blackout]

The ignorance in this thread is unreal. Fox is covering the tea parties because people are tired of the govt. spending trillions during a recession and making BS taxes. They're covering it extensively because no other network wants to cover it. besides, as you liberals would say, "were just expressing our right to a free speech." So much for the "free minded" liberal; in reality most of them cannot sit down and listen to others people's opinions without interupting them in the first 5 seconds. The left protested everyday during the bush years and it was fine, but the moment the right organizes one, were all of a sudden nazis and racists.

Ignoring all the others ways you're wrong (because other here have nicely pointed them out) the left got called traitors and seditionists ala McCarthy style for protesting the Iraq war.

I will freely admit the Democratic party is riddled with corruption and incompetence (because it is) right after you admit that the Republican party has thoroughly institutionalized corruption. I'd ask for more but I'm pretty sure I'm asking for a lot. Not because I'm asking for a lot, but because I'm quite sure you're going to have a fit over what I'm already asking for.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

The ignorance in this thread is unreal. Fox is covering the tea parties because people are tired of the govt. spending trillions during a recession and making BS taxes. They're covering it extensively because no other network wants to cover it. besides, as you liberals would say, "were just expressing our right to a free speech." So much for the "free minded" liberal; in reality most of them cannot sit down and listen to others people's opinions without interupting them in the first 5 seconds. The left protested everyday during the bush years and it was fine, but the moment the right organizes one, were all of a sudden nazis and racists.

Ignoring all the others ways you're wrong (because other here have nicely pointed them out) the left got called traitors and seditionists ala McCarthy style for protesting the Iraq war.

I will freely admit the Democratic party is riddled with corruption and incompetence (because it is) right after you admit that the Republican party has thoroughly institutionalized corruption. I'd ask for more but I'm pretty sure I'm asking for a lot. Not because I'm asking for a lot, but because I'm quite sure you're going to have a fit over what I'm already asking for.

I think my favorite part of Barry's argument amounts to you compliained when my side tried to villify the other side, and now that the tables have turned anybody pointing out the more than slight hyprocracy in the rather abrupt shift of power is clearly just a narrow minded moron.

That is, in a nutshell the problem with politics. It isn't about doing what's best for everyone (or as close to it as possible); instead, people define themselves through their opposition to the other side.

Personally, I bear the protesters no ill will, I just think it's a little strange that they protest about government spending NOW when it's been shooting up for awhile. And they protest taxes because apparently the US can borrow money from China forever.

 

[tsb247]

Name a service or good that is ever needed more urgently than being rescued from a burning building.

If you are referring to goods and/or services provided by the free-market economy, then I would be glad to name some:

Food
Shoes
clothing
banking (more than just loans!)
construction
automobiles

There are too many to list really...

It takes less time--"needed more urgently"--to die from starvation/foot blisters/environmental exposure/putting money in your mattress/living outdoors/walking than it does to die from smoke inhalation/toxic fumes/YOUR ASS BEING ON FIRE when trapped in a burning building?

I was not referring to urgent needs, but rather needs/goods/services provided by a free-market economy.

So you responded to my question about "urgent needs"

Name a service or good that is ever needed more urgently than being rescued from a burning building.

By "not referring to urgent needs."

Fantastic.

If you really want me to bite, I will.

Ambulances
emergency medical care
Surgery
Medical care in general

All are provided outside of the government and operate in the free-market economy. All are operated by independent healthcare providers/hospitals/offices.

Also look at telephones (land lines and cellphones). You can't say you've never urgently needed a phone.

 

[Captain Blackout]

That is, in a nutshell the problem with politics. It isn't about doing what's best for everyone (or as close to it as possible); instead, people define themselves through their opposition to the other side.

A bazillion years ago I voted for Nader for some really obscure positive political reasons and then watched King George the Murderous win through damn near blatant corruption. So I vowed never to vote for third parties again in the presidential. Four years later I voted for Kerry the Incompetent because the Dems didn't have the balls to put Dean forth and I refused to vote for anything that even hinted of Republican. Spent the next four years watching the Democrat governor of my state repeatedly drop the ball on core Dem issues, completely ignore a business interest for no reason, claim there was no deficit while a gigantic one built up, dear lord this list goes on. Said Dem governor is back in office quite possibly by taking a page from King George's "how to cheat" handbook. Said governor has shanked education and healthcare in my state completely while protecting unnecessary pet projects in order to fix the deficit disaster said governor created.

The country should be glad I'm a hippy pirate freak with no hope for political aspirations. If I could I would run for governor and upon winning I would split the state in half, leaving one half behind and secede from the Union with the other half. Then show the rest of the U.S. how to run a country properly by focusing on the common good. Start by reforming the hell out of education. Simple process really: Look around the world at the best education systems and implement those systems with an eye on compassion to the various belief systems involved. Next: Basic healthcare for everyone. After that it gets interesting but the bottom line is as follows:
The whole "the sky's the limit" crap is over. All that ever achieves is the sky for a few and wage slaves for the rest. Instead those who are willing to work will have healthy meaningful lives and those who aren't will become wards of the state while we do our best to try and help you become productive.

Now if ya'll will excuse while I go and bemoan my lack of 420 celebration and dream some more of a world that makes sense.

 

[Lyiat]

Urgh... This ignorence again?

I don't know what you guys are thinking, but the Tea Parties are in place to prevent more taxes from being put into place. They arn't speaking out against the ones already in place, they are just working tword stopping a new wave of BS taxes. For instance, New Hampshire is planning on instituting its first Death Tax. We don't want that, so there was a protest held against it. What is so wrong with that?

The "Death Tax" only kicks at taxing the inheritance of extremely rich people. No one is going to benefit removing the Estate Tax other than lazy rich people. Do you really want to start a protest in order to create a class of Paris Hiltons? Besides, according to Paul Krugman even with the estate tax you still get taxed more if earn a million dollars than if you inherent a million dollars.

Sorry but the whole thing reeks of astoturf.

Ha. Hahaha. Ha. Ha.

Obviously you've never had to deal with a Death Tax. It doesn't matter how small or how large the inheritance is. It gets taxed. I don't care if it 'affects rich people' more or less then poorer people. It hurts -everyone-.

 

[GloatingSwine]

[If you really want me to bite, I will.

Ambulances
emergency medical care
Surgery
Medical care in general

All are provided outside of the government and operate in the free-market economy. All are operated by independent healthcare providers/hospitals/offices.

And they're operated spectacularly poorly for the vast majority of Americans.

America's healthcare is among the worst in the first world (18th according to the WHO), and is more expensive per head of coverage to the taxpayer through Medicare and Medicaid than almost everywhere (except France, which has the best healthcare in the world, which covers everyone, not around 40% of the population like Medicare/Medicaid). Not to mention the large swathe of Americans who aren't poor enough for Medicare but can't afford health insurance, and are fucked if they ever need medical cover (medical expenses are the single largest cause of personal bankruptcy in the United States).

The US health service is the best example of how the private sector cannot effectively provide universal coverage.

This is the kind of woeful incompetence that you advocate in other life critical systems?

 

[Chibz]

So, they are protesting wasteful spending by buying truckloads of teabags then just dumping them in any body of water....right, thats not wasteful at all. The original Boston tea party we dumped, and correct me if i'm wrong, BRITISH tea into boston harbor, they didnt get dressed up as indians, go out and buy a few cases of tea and then dump it in the harbor. They should go break into the White House and take some of Obama's tea and dump that in the water.

So much truth to this.

 

[Spyre2000]

No surprise. Regardless of what side of the stupid proverbial "aisle" you're on, calling everybody you dislike a Nazi is de riguer in American politics -- has been for years.

-- Alex

That's cause it's true they are all Nazis . American politics is like Pro Wrestling, it's all just a show for the masses. If you actually did some research during the campaign you quickly discovered both candidates had almost identical plans for the country once in office. They always lie in front of the spot light about what their gonna do but usually with a little research it's easy to find out where they have stood on things in the past and where they are gonna stand again in the future. Then people won't be so surprised when politicians "break" their campaign "promises".

The only people the politicians answer to are big cooperate lobbyist. Recently I'd say that's the bankers. They simply "pay" the politician to do what they want like say vote for a bill that gives their company a major government contract or grant so they get a return on their "investment". In this case it's in the form of huge bailouts. And sadly there are not enough honest politicians left to out vote the corrupt ones.