The New UK Spending Cuts

[lewism247]

Also, I think if things go really bad we should break out these:

A tad clichéd, no? Also, the fact that he wasnt a revolutionary, he was a traitor to England doing it for his own benefit doesnt exactly send the right message with the whole "Being annoyed at the greedy fucks." side of this.

And here is the mask I have:

Spoiler: Its awesome!

EDIT: Just a heads up, you double posted.

Meh it looks cool ^_^

and isn't that the bad guy from the league of extraordinary gentlemen?

 

[Kinguendo]

Okay, let's go on a random job website and refine it to 'Junior' to get a sample of things a young person could do.

http://www.jobsite.co.uk/cgi-bin/advsearch?search_type=quick&location_within=10&fp_skill_include=junior&location_include=&daysback=7

840 matches. From one site, narrowing the terms.

There is a big difference between "There are no jobs" and "There are no jobs that I want to do".

Good job there is only 839 young people out there... we can even get a cool immigrant person for that last job (obviously the lowest paying one, we arent idiots.) just to be edgy.

When people say there are no jobs, they dont literally mean there are no jobs... you realise that, right? People are coming out of school and higher education finding their flimsy piece of paper means nothing in comparisson to a person with experience, I have a couple of friends who have decided to just go back to school because they cant get a job. My younger sister has sent out more CVs than I have and she hasnt ever had a job... it isnt that she doesnt want one, its that she isnt getting them.

And they arent exactly what I would call "glamourous" jobs that she is applying for either, thats why I know you are wrong. Yeah, some young people are getting jobs... but saying that because 840 (I still dont think you realise just how comparitively miniscule that number is) jobs pop up on a website you think the reason is they dont want to work.

And when they said they fired 500,000 people from public sector jobs... they arent hiring 500,000 to replace them. Those jobs are gone. So lets do a little math now, 500,000 - 840 = 499,160 (Lets not bother to add the people who were already unemployed because the numbers appear to be struggling with just this one case of firings.). Well... that was only a limited search on one site, its not like the same jobs are posted at multiple places. I am sure there are enough jobs for everyone and everything is fine, people dont get into politics because they are hungry for power and the rich dont want more than they could ever spend... and the rich certainly pay their taxes, and they certainly dont screw over the poor in order to get richer. Because we are wrong.

 

[Akihiko]

and we need people in work.

And yet they cut half a million jobs.

It's all very well saying that people should work for what they get. I'd agree if we were on about an ideal world. The problem is at this current point in time, there's just not enough jobs to go around. They aren't solving this problem by cutting jobs and cutting benefits. That's crippling people. Sure there is a lot of people who feed off the government, and something needs to be brought into stop that from happening. But you're forgetting that there's people out there who got made redundant, and haven't been able to find a new job. Cutting more jobs, and cutting benefits just isn't helping.

 

[Kinguendo]

Meh it looks cool ^_^

and isn't that the bad guy from the league of extraordinary gentlemen?

What? No. How can you be on a gaming website and think of that relatively obscure reference before the Army of Two games?

 

[lewism247]

Meh it looks cool ^_^

and isn't that the bad guy from the league of extraordinary gentlemen?

What? No. How can you be on a gaming website and think of that relatively obscure reference before the Army of Two games?

DAMNIT!

I haven't play army of two so I'm gonna use that as an excuse!

 

[Kinguendo]

DAMNIT!

I haven't play army of two so I'm gonna use that as an excuse!

That is a fairly good excuse...

 

[shootthebandit]

anyone who voted conservative is now regretting it

personally it really effects me because ive been accepted a job working on military aircraft which alot are getting scrapped. fortunatly i think my position will be safe

but theres nothing we can do, whats done is done and we know have to face the consequences

 

[Danzaivar]

Okay, let's go on a random job website and refine it to 'Junior' to get a sample of things a young person could do.

http://www.jobsite.co.uk/cgi-bin/advsearch?search_type=quick&location_within=10&fp_skill_include=junior&location_include=&daysback=7

840 matches. From one site, narrowing the terms.

There is a big difference between "There are no jobs" and "There are no jobs that I want to do".

Good job there is only 839 young people out there... we can even get a cool immigrant person for that last job (obviously the lowest paying one, we arent idiots.) just to be edgy.

When people say there are no jobs, they dont literally mean there are no jobs... you realise that, right? People are coming out of school and higher education finding their flimsy piece of paper means nothing in comparisson to a person with experience, I have a couple of friends who have decided to just go back to school because they cant get a job. My younger sister has sent out more CVs than I have and she hasnt ever had a job... it isnt that she doesnt want one, its that she isnt getting them.

And they arent exactly what I would call "glamourous" jobs that she is applying for either, thats why I know you are wrong. Yeah, some young people are getting jobs... but saying that because 840 (I still dont think you realise just how comparitively miniscule that number is) jobs pop up on a website you think the reason is they dont want to work.

And when they said they fired 500,000 people from public sector jobs... they arent hiring 500,000 to replace them. Those jobs are gone. So lets do a little math now, 500,000 - 840 = 499,160 (Lets not bother to add the people who were already unemployed because the numbers appear to be struggling with just this one case of firings.). Well... that was only a limited search on one site, its not like the same jobs are posted at multiple places. I am sure there are enough jobs for everyone and everything is fine, people dont get into politics because they are hungry for power and the rich dont want more than they could ever spend... and the rich certainly pay their taxes, and they certainly dont screw over the poor in order to get richer. Because we are wrong.

Yes, because I was seriously suggesting that website coupled with the fairly arbitrary search criteria I did had every possible vacancy for young people in the whole of the UK. There's a job out there for her somewhere, maybe she's not applied to the right places, maybe she needs more qualifications, maybe she needs to spend time doing volunteer work to get experience, maybe she needs to move to another area to get one, but there will be one.

That said, if she really is struggling to find a job after posting her CV everywhere, maybe she should make sure her CV and covering letters are good. Lots of employers turn them down for the silliest reasons.

 

[lewism247]

DAMNIT!

I haven't play army of two so I'm gonna use that as an excuse!

That is a fairly good excuse...

MWAHAHHHAHA!

.....

We've went a bit off topic haven't we?

 

[Kinguendo]

DAMNIT!

I haven't play army of two so I'm gonna use that as an excuse!

That is a fairly good excuse...

MWAHAHHHAHA!

.....

We've went a bit off topic haven't we?

Just a tad.

So, where were we? Oh yes, VIVA REVOLUTION!

 

[Danzaivar]

Oh and the National Debt atm has interest payments higher than the education budget. Labour was gonna double that. If the Tories follow through and get rid of it, that's a lot less money going on paying off interest and that can actually be spent on useful stuff. Tough few years for an easier long term, seems like the only sensible move to me...

 

[Kinguendo]

Yes, because I was seriously suggesting that website coupled with the fairly arbitrary search criteria I did had every possible vacancy for young people in the whole of the UK. There's a job out there for her somewhere, maybe she's not applied to the right places, maybe she needs more qualifications, maybe she needs to spend time doing volunteer work to get experience, maybe she needs to move to another area to get one, but there will be one.

That said, if she really is struggling to find a job after posting her CV everywhere, maybe she should make sure her CV and covering letters are good. Lots of employers turn them down for the silliest reasons.

Oh, were you? Because I was being sarcastic in most of my comment.

Doesnt exactly null the point that on the topic of youth we cant ignore the fact that they clearly wont have experience outside of paper routes and qualifications and that simply isnt enough, as I did make quite clear in my last comment... there is only really a set amount of jobs the young can even think of applying for and in that catagory you found 840 jobs, which still wont guarantee the young a job because lets not forget that the more experienced can still apply for those jobs anyway.

 

[HighLordJimmy]

Am I the only one who thinks the cuts are a good idea? After all the Coalition is taking an unpopular choice that needed to be taken in the best interests of the country. It'll be a hard few years, however, it'll get rid of most the deficit and pay off some of the national debt.

 

[ryderawsome]

will they please stop making it harder for me to get work. all ive got now is a part time at a rentla place which is awesome but not very monaterily beneficial and even getting that was a lot of luck

 

[supermariner]

now i love to hate a Tory
and i come from a working class family who basically earn very little
but these cuts are necessary
in my view
they need to happen whether we like it or not
it's just convenient that it's the conservatives who're putting it in place so we can continue to hate them

a lot of bad shit is going to happen
this we know
but there aren't many other options
and even the ones there is are shit

 

[chinomareno]

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So you're basically saying that the wealthy caused the recession. But we should just clam up and pay for their mistakes ourselves because they're wealthy, and'll only jump ship when we try to call them on it?

I agree that we need to be more responsible with our national debts. But is gouging the public really going to help at all? Especially since Cameron and all his toff buddies are rich and powerful. They're only going to get richer and more powerful from all these cuts.

It'd be like a big company saying "We lost a lot of money this year because our CEO made some pretty bad decisions, so we're going to be sending around a hat for you to help pay his car payments out of your own pocket. We're sacking half of you, but not before we get your donation in the hat. Those of you that are left are getting their wages cut. Also we get to keep the hat when you're done. Because this is a business! And it's a nice hat! That's why!"

I can't work out if you're defending the current government, or if you're saying "The world is shit, shut up and get on with it." Either way, you're very wrong.

EDT: I'm so mad that I'm not proof reading my posts anymore. You can all tell, can't you?

It's easy to reverse your' analogy to the current situation. All members in the company decide they are going to work 3 hours less each day because, well they cant be fucked and if they stay the extra 3 hours they get caught in traffic. As a result the CEO is going to pay for them. I mean why not he has the cash easily. Heck why not mortgage the company building so we can all go on holiday an extra week each year. When we declare bankruptsy it doesn't really matter because we can go sponge of the governmennt, where the CEO has also been paying the largest contribution.

Benefits are there for people who need them in the short run or are so disabled they have no chance of working at all. I don't really think anyone else needs them. It's this attitude where people believe that the government is responsible for taking care of them that makes me mad. The one thing I noticed is that although the gov. is cutting benefits, wellfare, departmental spending and raising VAT they are maintaing many infrastructural projects. For me that's what government is about. Not for everyone one who cant be assed to make a reall effort to get a job to lean on them.

You are worth what you are worth. If you squandered your chances at education, sat on the doll, striked on petty issues with your union then you are worth very little to society. You do not add any value. Why should wealthy people who often worked hard and fought tooth and nail for what they have pay for other people shortcomings? Why should there be more incentive to stay on benefits than to go back to work? That is part of what this government is trying to end and as far as I'm concerned this is all well and good.

I know I will get flamed for this by many people who feel they are entitled to aid from their government or who claim to be looking for a job, but what the heck.[/quote]

That's wasn't a reversal of the analogy, no one suggested working less or selling assets for needless spending. Although the conservatives are always looking to unload profitable public assets to the private sector. This whole mess is about people losing their jobs not a lack of desire to work.

It wouldn't be a problem if people were worth what they are actually worth but to the wealthy classes you are worth cannon fodder most of the time. Get real, most rich people are far from self made entrepreneurs.

The CEO may pay the greatest tax because he makes more than everyone else, sometimes combined. Are we meant to feel sorry for him for driving his corporation into the ground? Or for the golden parachute pay outs financed by tax payers. These same CEOs you have a hard on for push to remove trade barriers so they can ship jobs overseas.

The wealthy classes own most of Britain's land, the last I heard 1% owning 70% of all dwellings. Yet the pricks still want a flat rate tax to keep the spoils they've squeezed and stolen from others. These gamblers are de-industrializing your country as fast as they can, yet you speak as if it'd be a great loss to lose them.

 

[jimborious]

I say that though, but this time I fell for Nick Clegg's line of rhetoric. I watched the debates and thought 'this guy knows what he's talking about!' so I voted Lib Dem for the first time in my life. Then I watched that vote get perverted into a vote for the conservatives, a party I swore I'd never allow into power within my lifetime.

So I'm just as much to blame for all this as anyone else, I guess.

I am a Progressive Liberal anyway and I was going to vote for the Libs until I started hearing the stories about Clegg joining with the Cons, I predicted my vote would turn out to be a vote for the Cons and that I was not going to do so I did not vote. All that can be verified with my mother as that is who I was talking to about it at the time.

So you didn't vote in the election?

Don't really have any right to start whining that things aren't going the way you'd like them to then do you?