The next gen is likely gen:monkey's paw

[TehCookie]

I haven't heard of any software failures that make consoles able to play some games but not others.

I haven't heard of them for PC either. Viruses from downloading mysterious files from shady porn sites while not running a single UP TO DATE anti-virus client... that's just woefully dangerous. That and downloading a load of crapware.

That's strange I could of swore all PC games came with recommended specs and force you to use terrible DRM. Not to mention the sheer amount of games that pop up to tell me how much they hate my graphics card (Nvidia Geforce GTX 460) but still run anyways.

I'm just going wipe everything and start fresh.

That should mean a fresh install of windows, not ditching the hardware. And there is no way you can screw up installing windows, it's almost entirely automatic.

And again, you are using Win 7 with adequate memory, anti-virus and everything updated? Right?

Well I don't think wiping the hardware will help, but it would make it cleaner (and I do know there are better ways to clean a computer than that).

I'm using Win7, I plan on upgrading my memory when I fix the leak (currently have 4 gigs), have anti-virus and it came back clean, and I updated everything for the first time in two years which actually was the start of the problem so I can't say if that's good or bad. Or I may just need to realize my computer is old.

 

[Lilani]

That's strange I could of swore all PC games came with recommended specs and force you to use terrible DRM. Not to mention the sheer amount of games that pop up to tell me how much they hate my graphics card (Nvidia Geforce GTX 460) but still run anyways.

Clearly you've never played games on Steam, then. Pretty much any game on the Source engine is going to run fine no matter what your specs are, and most anything you buy on Steam can be downloaded as many times as you want on as many machines as you want with no obnoxious codes, and you aren't punished if you aren't online or if your connection drops in-game. Buying and playing games on Steam is as easy as buy > install > play.

 

[TehCookie]

That's strange I could of swore all PC games came with recommended specs and force you to use terrible DRM. Not to mention the sheer amount of games that pop up to tell me how much they hate my graphics card (Nvidia Geforce GTX 460) but still run anyways.

Clearly you've never played games on Steam, then. Pretty much any game on the Source engine is going to run fine no matter what your specs are, and most anything you buy on Steam can be downloaded as many times as you want on as many machines as you want with no obnoxious codes, and you aren't punished if you aren't online or if your connection drops in-game. Buying and playing games on Steam is as easy as buy > install > play.

L4D was one of the games that gave me the pop up. Also steam isn't easy at all, it's buy > install game > find the latest unofficial patch because official patches are still broken > play > steam updates it and removes your patch just to fuck with you > repeat process. Not to mention if I buy a game and can't play it legally, but the cracked version works just fine there is something wrong with it.

Also I find not being able to play my games when I'm offline to be a pretty big punishment.

 

[Vault101]

But I can already tell you Valve's Steambox can fuck off ($1000 price tag - download only - no used game sales not just a rumour - I dislike Valve in general). And it would take a miraculous event for me to even consider buying a Microsoft console. So it looks to be between Sony and Nintendo for me... Oddly I have a PS3, PSP, Wii and DS here...

I already have a steambox....its a PC

joking aside....so the steambox is a real thing and thats what its like? may as well just get a friggen gaming PC and at least have the option to buy physical games...and the games that arent on steam

I do wonder if it will somhow negativly affect PC gaming/physical copies

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Don't see how I'd be screwed. I play games for the gameplay, not the graphics. Now, graphics can be great and do help, there's a lot of ugly ass games on the Wii, but there's also a lot of beautiful games on the Wii. I enjoy the Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm series especially for its beautiful graphics, but that wouldn't make me unable to enjoy older Naruto titles for the Game Cube/Wii that look pretty bad in comparison.

If the PS4 and 720 do come out bad, I'll just get a Wii U, as I know I'll enjoy Zelda, Mario and other titles even if they're not on par with Microsoft and Sony's consoles.

 

[tehwalrus]

Between my massive backlog of xbox games to play yet, my recent positive PC experiences with AirMech and Guild Wars 2, and the anti-consumer stupidity of Microsoft turning further and further away from their core demographic, I was already thinking of eschewing the new console generation. The Oculus Rift looking so amazing has only sealed the deal - I'll wait as long as possible and then pick up a medium level gaming PC. I suppose I can fill my gamerscore quota from games on my phone

 

[Lilani]

L4D was one of the games that gave me the pop up. Also steam isn't easy at all, it's buy > install game > find the latest unofficial patch because official patches are still broken > play > steam updates it and removes your patch just to fuck with you > repeat process. Not to mention if I buy a game and can't play it legally, but the cracked version works just fine there is something wrong with it.

Also I find not being able to play my games when I'm offline to be a pretty big punishment.

Software updates are pretty standard on anything these days, including consoles lol. I've been told by many people how much of a pain it is when the PS3 gets a firmware update.

Also, I still don't get what you mean by not being able to play games offline. The only games on Steam I can't play offline are games like TF2 that have no offline gameplay. Otherwise I can start Steam in offline mode and run any other game I have installed. Civ V, Saints Row 3, Sim City, Amnesia: The Dark Descent...none of them give a rat's ass if I'm online or not. I have shitty apartment wifi, so it's been a long time since I've actually been playing a game on Steam while online in Steam. Once you have them installed on your end, you should be able to run them just fine, as long as there aren't any other problems. I can understand your criticism of the graphic's card problem, but offline play shouldn't be a problem unless you're trying to play games that have no offline gameplay.

 

[Treblaine]

So yes, you are entitled to continue believing that console gamers are morons for playing on consoles. I will go play some Witcher 2 (on my 360! The scandal!) while you sit on your PC tower and smirk down upon the unwashed masses that are console gamers.

Strawman.

That is not my attitude nor stance at all. You are blatantly trying to misrepresent me to suit your side of the argument.

 

[Treblaine]

I'm just going wipe everything and start fresh.

That should mean a fresh install of windows, not ditching the hardware. And there is no way you can screw up installing windows, it's almost entirely automatic.

And again, you are using Win 7 with adequate memory, anti-virus and everything updated? Right?

Well I don't think wiping the hardware will help, but it would make it cleaner (and I do know there are better ways to clean a computer than that).

I'm using Win7, I plan on upgrading my memory when I fix the leak (currently have 4 gigs), have anti-virus and it came back clean, and I updated everything for the first time in two years which actually was the start of the problem so I can't say if that's good or bad. Or I may just need to realize my computer is old.

If you went TWO YEARS not allowing any software to update, that in monumentally negligent. You have only yourself to blame.

That's like a car owner never taking their car for any kind of servicing for years and acting flabbergasted when their car dry of oil grinds itself to pieces an the tires shredded from running half flat. Those updates are there for a reason.

 

[Treblaine]

But I can already tell you Valve's Steambox can fuck off ($1000 price tag - download only - no used game sales not just a rumour - I dislike Valve in general).

That's not "SteamBox".

Xi3's "Piston" is not affiliated with Valve, it's a completely separate company. Your own damn source doesn't say "this is Steambox" it says "IS THIS Steambox?", yes, with a question mark.

You cited a journalist's speculative question as a fact.

And even though the developer is explicit that they are no in any sort of partnership with Valve.

If you dislike Valve... why? Is it their generous discounts? Community empowerment? Commitment to excellence? Support of indie developers and Linux? Where do you get off ragging on Valve, it almost single-handedly saved PC gaming from being crushed by console focused publishers.

 

[Treblaine]

find the latest unofficial patch because official patches are still broken

You seem to be the only person with this problem.

I think you've got this all backwards, you've got some other problem with your computer and you've assumed the problem is with the game patch, yet earlier you said you weren't allowing ANY updates over 2 years. I mean did you get driver updates?!?! These are basic things adults are expected to do for themselves.

You want to know why your computer is borked, because you aren't installing basic updates but are installing random unofficial patches that you've gotten from who-knows where.

steam updates it and removes your patch just to fuck with you

You are doing stuff like installing unofficial patches yet don't do the basic step of DISABLING AUTOMATIC UPDATES! You're your own worse enemy here.

Also I find not being able to play my games when I'm offline to be a pretty big punishment.

Never mind that Left 4 Dead is an online multiplayer game, you have to have saved account credentials to play offline. It's very simple, it's explained in simple short sentences.

 

[tippy2k2]

Strawman.

That is not my attitude nor stance at all. You are blatantly trying to misrepresent me to suit your side of the argument.

Then by all means, if it is my fault and I am mis-understanding your position, please elaborate on it. After going over everything we've talked about, I do fear that we are mis-communicating with one another...

Here is what I see your stance as:
The original reason we got into a tussle here was that I thought that people who came into this thread to mock and ridicule console gamers were being jackasses. You in turn came in and argued why the PC was better in every way in response to my statement (leading me to believe that you agree with the "Console gamers are idiots" line of thinking). I even created a post conceding that PC would be the better gaming option if you knew what you were doing but you continue to pound away at the console experience (which continues my thinking that you believe that console gamers are morons and PC gaming is the only true way to game).

If I am incorrect in this, do tell. If I am indeed incorrect, I apologize in advance for the confusion. If I'm right, I stand by everything I said

In the end, the only reason I'm unhappy with you (and some others) is the line of thinking that PC gaming is the ONLY option and anyone who plays console games are idiots for doing so. I have no problem with people preferring PC gaming to consoles but I do have a problem with the "We're better than you for our system of choice" line of thinking.

Yup, I'm out. I have no clue what the hell your problem is but I'm done fighting it.

 

[TehCookie]

-snip-

Please tell me how to get Vampire the Masquerades running. Since pretty much everyone who does play game says to instal the unofficial patch.

L4D said my graphics card is shit that's not what I was trying to play offline, and I need credentials to play my games?

-snip-

I would say it's more like running out of gas and seeing how far you can go. It's not that I didn't want to update, my windows update disappeared so I couldn't and I have no idea how to fix it. I think me attempting to fix it cause the problem I'm having now but I got 2 years of no PC hassle (just Steam hassle).

I'm not saying PCs are terrible (though they do hate me, I think they're great if you put the time and effort into them) I'm saying if you think PCs are the solution for everyone you're being dense. I've pretty much proven I'm PC retarded, so why would a PC be better than a console for me?

 

[Treblaine]

Strawman.

That is not my attitude nor stance at all. You are blatantly trying to misrepresent me to suit your side of the argument.

Then by all means, if it is my fault and I am mis-understanding your position, please elaborate on it. After going over everything we've talked about, I do fear that we are mis-communicating with one another...

Here is what I see your stance as:
The original reason we got into a tussle here was that I thought that people who came into this thread to mock and ridicule console gamers were being jackasses. You in turn came in and argued why the PC was better in every way in response to my statement (leading me to believe that you agree with the "Console gamers are idiots" line of thinking). I even created a post conceding that PC would be the better gaming option if you knew what you were doing but you continue to pound away at the console experience (which continues my thinking that you believe that console gamers are morons and PC gaming is the only true way to game).

If I am incorrect in this, do tell. If I am indeed incorrect, I apologize in advance for the confusion. If I'm right, I stand by everything I said

In the end, the only reason I'm unhappy with you (and some others) is the line of thinking that PC gaming is the ONLY option and anyone who plays console games are idiots for doing so. I have no problem with people preferring PC gaming to consoles but I do have a problem with the "We're better than you for our system of choice" line of thinking.

How can I possibly address this post that is such a u-turn from your previous post.

It's all gone completely off topic. You insinuations against me brought it off topic, the best thing to do it is just drop it and don't say things like:

So yes, you are entitled to continue believing that console gamers are morons for playing on consoles. I will go play some Witcher 2 (on my 360! The scandal!) while you sit on your PC tower and smirk down upon the unwashed masses that are console gamers.

I shouldn't have to defence the very fact that I defend PC. But, allow me to clarify my position.

(1) I don't approve of personal attacks, if for no other reason than their irrelevance.

(2) I do think the argument for PC is MORE than personal preference, but on common values held by PC and Console gamers.

(3) I believe and argue that there are logical reason based on facts for PC against any or all of the consoles, and those are the only things worth discussing.

(4) That means saying using words and terms that mean the same as "superior".

In a nutshell, people can't be cowed from saying something is better for fear of "insulting" those who made the other choice.

Neither Roth nor Xemo directed their statement against any individual on these forums, though they did put it in rather too direct and uncouth terms, the substance of his stance is still valid that didn't warrant your unfair response.

I never defended their language, I defended the semantics of his stance. And also reminded that PC gamers have had to quietly sit and accept far more inflammatory and baseless statements, that are far worse for how they are factually incorrect and misleading.

You need to not over-react when someone says PC is better, or superior. And not misrepresent that stance to be something else. Someone advising you on what is a better choice for you is not elitism, it's not being on a high horse.

 

[Treblaine]

-snip-

Please tell me how to get Vampire the Masquerades running. Since pretty much everyone who does play game says to instal the unofficial patch.

L4D said my graphics card is shit that's not what I was trying to play offline, and I need credentials to play my games?

-snip-

I would say it's more like running out of gas and seeing how far you can go. It's not that I didn't want to update, my windows update disappeared so I couldn't and I have no idea how to fix it. I think me attempting to fix it cause the problem I'm having now but I got 2 years of no PC hassle (just Steam hassle).

I'm not saying PCs are terrible (though they do hate me, I think they're great if you put the time and effort into them) I'm saying if you think PCs are the solution for everyone you're being dense. I've pretty much proven I'm PC retarded, so why would a PC be better than a console for me?

Vampire the Masquerades is a mess. If it was a console game it never would have been released at all, it barely got released on PC. They just printed the disc of a barely finished game and gave it virtually no support.

(1) Before you do anything you need your system to be in basic running order

(2) recognise you do not yet have the knowledge base to start tinkering or judging wether a file you get of the internet is infested with viruses or not

Just buy it on Gog

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/vampire_the_masquerade_redemption

That's why gog exists, it just works. I don't care if you already own the game after you bought it for pennies off ebay, you bought a version that doesn't damn work and any solution is beyond your CURRENT skill level.

Do the effort of learning, or pay the piper. It's $6 and you're voting with your wallet for the game.

{edit: I've just been informed Redemption is actually a separate game. Quite simply, Masquerades is something you have to work for. I suggest steam forums, and follow links and downloads with extreme caution. Otherwise just accept like most people, you can't play that game - which isn't that great anyway}

and I need credentials to play my games?

No.

And that's a loaded question which makes it out I ever said that.

Use the quote feature to quote me DIRECTLY and dive non leading questions. This is forum etiquette 101.

I would say it's more like running out of gas and seeing how far you can go.

I would say this is like a celibate priest giving sex tips... for you to make up analogies of what you know little about. Not knowing computers is nothing to be ashamed of. The problem is you don't know your limits. And you limits don't stop you using computers or from playing PC games, they stop you trying to use risky hack solutions where you are open to exploitation, trolls sending you to virus links.

You can start making up analogies when you have a much deeper understanding of computers. That will come with time.

my windows update disappeared

I seriously doubt it was that simple. We outsource to schools and businesses, we manage HUNDREDS of computers that run continuously for YEARS and Windows Update feature doesn't just spontaneously "disappear". Mind you, we do get a lot of customers who claims such things, then it turns out they aren't telling the whole story...

I have no idea how to fix it.

That's a serious Windows error, this works for almost all serious windows errors:

(1) Back up files to an external hard drive,
(2) reinstall windows,
(3) install anti-virus in your fresh install
(4) run scan of files on external hard drive
(5) copy back over
(5b) keep external hard drive as... your backup. That you should have.

It's also good to do this in general, it clears out all the crap and most console operating systems do similar things with major updates.

(A) And don't download anything from any shady websites unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing.

)B) Always keep ALL your programs up to date. Other than downloads from shady websites, it's the vulnerabilities in your legit programs that are closed with - you guessed it - updates. Don't go more than a few days of any update coming out without installing it.

Follow points A and B and you likely won't ever have to reinstall windows.

I'm saying if you think PCs are the solution for everyone you're being dense.

That's a bit rich for you to say that after the story you've told me. You have broken some basic rules, rules most people can follow just like most people can operate a car.

 

[TehCookie]

-snip-

Please tell me how to get Vampire the Masquerades running. Since pretty much everyone who does play game says to instal the unofficial patch.

L4D said my graphics card is shit that's not what I was trying to play offline, and I need credentials to play my games?

-snip-

I would say it's more like running out of gas and seeing how far you can go. It's not that I didn't want to update, my windows update disappeared so I couldn't and I have no idea how to fix it. I think me attempting to fix it cause the problem I'm having now but I got 2 years of no PC hassle (just Steam hassle).

I'm not saying PCs are terrible (though they do hate me, I think they're great if you put the time and effort into them) I'm saying if you think PCs are the solution for everyone you're being dense. I've pretty much proven I'm PC retarded, so why would a PC be better than a console for me?

Vampire the Masquerades is a mess. If it was a console game it never would have been released at all, it barely got released on PC. They just printed the disc of a barely finished game and gave it virtually no support.

(1) Before you do anything you need your system to be in basic running order

(2) recognise you do not yet have the knowledge base to start tinkering or judging wether a file you get of the internet is infested with viruses or not

Just buy it on Gog

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/vampire_the_masquerade_redemption

That's why gog exists, it just works. I don't care if you already own the game after you bought it for pennies off ebay, you bought a version that doesn't damn work and any solution is beyond your CURRENT skill level.

Do the effort of learning, or pay the piper. It's $6 and you're voting with your wallet for the game.

Malwarebytes and Spybot came back clean, I used the site 3 different forums recommenced and other people used it first. I'm not downloading terabytes of porn either. I have patched games before, but that was before the days of DRM. I even had it running before the official patch updated again.

and I need credentials to play my games?

No.

And that's a loaded question which makes it out I ever said that.

Use the quote feature to quote me DIRECTLY and dive non leading questions. This is forum etiquette 101.

I was using the etiquette to keep the post from becoming a bloated mess on a PC elitist that doesn't understand some people are terrible with computers.

I would say it's more like running out of gas and seeing how far you can go.

I would say this is like a celibate priest giving sex tips... for you to make up analogies of what you know little about. Not knowing computers is nothing to be ashamed of. The problem is you don't know your limits. And you limits don't stop you using computers or from playing PC games, they stop you trying to use risky hack solutions where you are open to exploitation, trolls sending you to virus links.

You can start making up analogies when you have a much deeper understanding of computers. That will come with time.

You can make up analogies when you come up with better analogies. A computer running broken software is not a car running out of oil and toasting it. The hardware still works and clean out the software the computer will work. The same way a car with no gas won't run but if you add that it runs. If you ruin the tires, you need new hardware.

my windows update disappeared

I seriously doubt it was that simple. We outsource to schools and businesses, we manage HUNDREDS of computers that run continuously for YEARS and Windows Update feature doesn't just spontaneously "disappear". Mind you, we do get a lot of customers who claims such things, then it turns out they aren't telling the whole story...

Well if I knew the whole story I'd share it, I'm actually confused myself as to why that happened. It was so long ago I forgot the details of what I was doing when it happened (but it wasn't downloading shady files like you keep jumping to, I'm not that stupid).

I have no idea how to fix it.

That's a serious Windows error, this works for almost all serious windows errors:

(1) Back up files to an external hard drive,
(2) reinstall windows,
(3) install anti-virus in your fresh install
(4) run scan of files on external hard drive
(5) copy back over
(5b) keep external hard drive as... your backup. That you should have.

It's also good to do this in general, it clears out all the crap and most console operating systems do similar things with major updates.

(A) And don't download anything from any shady websites unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing.

)B) Always keep ALL your programs up to date. Other than downloads from shady websites, it's the vulnerabilities in your legit programs that are closed with - you guessed it - updates. Don't go more than a few days of any update coming out without installing it.

Follow points A and B and you likely won't ever have to reinstall windows.

Well that's handy, I usually cleared off the whole thing since I keep everything backed up on an external harddrive (which I scan for viruses as well).

I'm saying if you think PCs are the solution for everyone you're being dense.

That's a bit rich for you to say that after the story you've told me. You have broken some basic rules, rules most people can follow just like most people can operate a car.

That's not even half of the things I did to my PC, you would cringe in horror at the things I did and I know I'm not at the level to be doing those things. To go to your car analogy, it's not that I can't run a car, it's that when something goes wrong I try to fix it myself instead of taking it in so it becomes a metal death trap held together by duct tape and elmers glue until it ultimately explodes. Then I start fresh. I still think my point still stands: PCs aren't for everyone.

You also seem to have the wrong idea about me and updates, I don't hate them I prefer to control when their updating (the two years was because of that issue, I usually update weekly). For example when I was complaining about Skyrim, I like to not have it update automatically so I can wait for my mods to be confirmed to work with it and update them all at the same time so the new update doesn't break anything.

 

[Treblaine]

a PC elitist

I try to help you and you call me that...

I should never have bothered, knowing I'd get ungrateful insults in return.

 

[TehCookie]

a PC elitist

I try to help you and you call me that...

I should never have bothered, knowing I'd get ungrateful insults in return.

When did I ask for help? Also if you're trying helping someone you don't act condescending about it, not to mention at every turn you're practically insulting me thinking I'm download crap off shady sites and how installing a patch is above my level.