The Playstation Loses.. To the Playstation

[HyenaThePirate]

If a company wanted to could they could make a pc game that blows all the consoles out the water but they don't because it will cost a fucktonne of money.

They did make this game... it was called Crysis.
And I think it sold like 12 copies lol

Sony actually did a poll amongst its consumers and they wanted the system cheaper. Most of them already had a PS2 so why bother?

I think those consumers would have preferred to see BLU-RAY go, not the PS2 Backwards Compatibility lol

 

[tokoolforranch]

Did you forget about the fact that the 360 also was losing to the PS2 for a long time...

 

[Pendragon9]

Sony is a horrible company. I'm a proud owner of many sony devices (DVD players, CD players, TVs, PSP) but they are just a damn stupid company. Look at the psp; drastically more powerful than the DS with so much potential, then it fails horribly. Now people don't even run the official Sony firmware on it (aka M33, I'm one of those people) because it offers so few features compared to other types. The PS3 would've done very well if not for several key mistakes. First off, Blu Ray. Blu Ray is NOT needed for video games.... yet. Most devs are too lazy to make any real use of this format. It just makes it so people expect these amazing graphics for all of the PS3 games, which is why most devs produce for the Xbox 360. Second, it lost PS2 compatibility too quickly. The PS2 is better than the PS3 just because of this reason, 'nuff said there. Third, Price. This goes hand-in-hand with using Blu Ray, the format is currently so damn expensive that it is made almost useless. And with Blu Ray, the PS3 needs all these powerful processors and other incredible internal devices, most of which are only used to full potential in exclusive PS3 games. Short and sweet, the PS3 was too futuristic for it's time. Things will catch on, but I really doubt it will be soon enough to save the PS3. Sony messed up... again... on this thing. I hope Sony can stick it out, they make good products, just they've been moving away from the idea of the 'Playstation' for so long, I don't think we should even count the PS3 as a Video Gaming console anymore.

FANBOOOOOYYYYYY.

Go cry some more while others actually play the games you seem to think don't exist.

Also, by your logic, the Wii isn't a gaming console any more. It's just a distraction for young/old people.

Stop saying Fanboy,

your like a fanboy... fanboy.

I mean your point is fair enough and pretty good, but seemingly all the posts of yours that I have read start with some variation of "FANBOOOOYYYYYYY".

Can't you make a point without some sort of relatively-immature declaration or judgement of the person your responding too?

Gee, that's ironic. Your point was disproved the second you said it.

You hate Sony products. That's a given. But you have no proof they're a horrible company. Otherwise, they would've gone bankrupt and they'd discontinue the PS3. The Ps2 would've never sold, and the Ps1 would've never taken off. The PSP would never have been a decent piece of competition against Nintendo (doesn't matter they're behind. 50 mil is a success)

For example....

As much as I dislike Microsoft, for example, they're not a horrible company. They practically run the computer industry and have a "decent console". So I can't say they're a horrible company unless I can prove it. I can say they make crappy products because they do have a tendency to have very bad issues with their products. But to their credit, they are trying.

And Nintendo, I can't blame them either. Yes, they stopped caring about making good games in order to make games that make money, but considering money is the primary thing companies are after, then it seems like a sensible choice. It sucks for gaming, but I couldn't expect much more out of them.

So please. Do tell me how I'm being the immature one.

Oh, and to Hyena

I think those consumers would have preferred to see BLU-RAY go, not the PS2 Backwards Compatibility lol

I'm gonna need evidence that everyone hated blu ray before you make claims like that. You're saying things without backing them up, which makes me a bit iffy.

 

[bad rider]

Don't you think a ten year plan is ridiculous though. In a few years technology will change and become better. With accurate timing a console will outplay the PS3 by making a higher spec model while it continues to use what will then be old tech. I feel planning towards the future was a bad move. Especially considering the rate at which technology improves.

Nope, I do not think that it's ridiculous, infact I encourage it. I don't want to have to worry about buying a new console in two years and you can optimize the hell out of a console in 10 years.

Again, I reiterate, technology does grow faster and faster but that does not mean that it will be cheap, affordable, or accepted by the masses. It takes time.

DVD came out, it was expensive, people didn't want it. DVD then got cheaper, people bought it, and it became a wild success.
Blu-Ray came out, it was really expensive, and people didn't want it. Soon when Blu-Ray prices go down, I wouldn't be surprised that it would sell much better.
How about the next innovation? Deep-UV, we'll call it (according to my dad, it's the next step). Right now my dad works with over a $100 million dollar machine that produces a Deep-UV ray. Sooner or later, that will become much cheaper and it could even be sold to the masses.

It's the same cycle, but until then, Blu-ray could very well take over for as long as DVD has. It doesn't matter if Deep-UV comes out next year, it wouldn't nearly be as cheap as Blu-Ray would (hopefully) be by then but eventually it'd be cheaper and phase out Blu-Ray (if BR does dominate).

Fair enough, but I think ten years is too long in the cyle, whereas two years is too short. I think optimum console life given the rate that technology improves is aroun 5-7 years. But thats my opinion. Anyway I thought holographic disks would be the next new format.

 

[tehweave]

IMO there shouldn't be a console war for this generation.

The WII sucks because it has too much gimmicks.
The 360 isn't good because its so buggy.
And the PS3 is worthless because its too pricey and everything is cheaper (relatively) on the previous two systems.

Nobody wins! YAAAAAAAAAAY

 

[Nironoshi]

Haha, no really, it might catch up to the 360, but Microsoft and Sony would have to include LSD with every purchase before they caught up to Nintendo.


Although how much of a game console the Wii is, and how much of a toy it is are up to the individual.

Honestly, I havent found a good game for the Wii after the release of SSBB, and that game wasnt even that great after 2 weeks. Nintendo better start releasing blockbusters soon, or Xbox 360 and PS3 will be breaking loose with great titles like Red Faction Guerilla and Prototype, while the Wii is releasing crap such as Samurai Shodown Anthologies and a retard version of Dead Rising. If the Wii releases a game like, I dunno, Jedi Academy where you use your wiimote to use your lightsaber, in a good way, and not frantacally swinging it like a retard with a maraca.

 

[incubus42]

On amazon.com, the cheapest ps3 (80gb without game) costs $389.99 and the cheapest xbox360 (the arcade one ) costs $199.99 .

I am NOT trying to make a comparison here between these two console versions. But it's just a fact that you can get a next-gen console for a lot less money by buying a Microsoft console instead of a Sony one.

You forgot to add wireless internet and a hard drive

Xbox 360 120GB (to be as big as PS3 hdd) Hard Drive $129.97

xbox 360 wireless adapter $99.99

= $429.95 Plus internet for life =$10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000429.95

Not to mention that the Arcade console doesnt come with a HDMI port or component cables. Plus if you want to pay for the rechargable batteries for the controller they are about $50. Oh and the Arcade model isnt backwards compatible, which is one of the big reasons everyone hates the PS3 in this thread.

You have to be a complete moron to get the Arcarde. I really feel sorry for those people that have to sit there listening to the DVD tray since they cant install games to their HDD

Hey, hey, hey... what I wrote in my post was "I am NOT trying to make a comparison here between these two console versions".
What I am trying to say is that there are enough people who just go into a shop and see that there is a way cheaper Xbox-version than the PS3. And then buy it.
I myself wouldn't buy the arcade-version.

There are a lot people which have no idea about HDMI and just buy the CHEAPEST piece of next-gen-console that they can find.

 

[Hot'n'steamy]

OMFG---high end consumable sees a drop in sales during a world wide recession!!!?! Must grab a pen and paper, write this down, and file it under "Bloody Inevitable."

... Its not that its going down, its because its gone down below the console its trying to replace. Please sir, stop trying to be witty when you know not what you speak.

The PS2 is currently a low end consumable, and is being marketed in developing and emerging countries such as India, which also coincidentally happens to be home to about a billion people. The PS3 is currently a high end consumable, which will inevitably see a drop in sales in Western societies, let alone developing countries.

Did you ever wonder why Sony has continued production of PS2's when it is apparently so desperate to sell PS3s? It's because it knows it is unable to market such a high end consumable in emerging markets in a global recession, and so it has continued production of PS2s.They also lowered the price/cost ratio of the product by producing the PS2 slim and they sell in high number with low margins. The PS2 slim is able to be made in bulk easier that the bulkier PS2s, and it also can be transported with greater efficiency, making it more economical to sell in bulk. Oh wait. I don't know what I am talking about.

 

[SmoothGlover]

Sony is a horrible company. I'm a proud owner of many sony devices (DVD players, CD players, TVs, PSP) but they are just a damn stupid company. Look at the psp; drastically more powerful than the DS with so much potential, then it fails horribly. Now people don't even run the official Sony firmware on it (aka M33, I'm one of those people) because it offers so few features compared to other types. The PS3 would've done very well if not for several key mistakes. First off, Blu Ray. Blu Ray is NOT needed for video games.... yet. Most devs are too lazy to make any real use of this format. It just makes it so people expect these amazing graphics for all of the PS3 games, which is why most devs produce for the Xbox 360. Second, it lost PS2 compatibility too quickly. The PS2 is better than the PS3 just because of this reason, 'nuff said there. Third, Price. This goes hand-in-hand with using Blu Ray, the format is currently so damn expensive that it is made almost useless. And with Blu Ray, the PS3 needs all these powerful processors and other incredible internal devices, most of which are only used to full potential in exclusive PS3 games. Short and sweet, the PS3 was too futuristic for it's time. Things will catch on, but I really doubt it will be soon enough to save the PS3. Sony messed up... again... on this thing. I hope Sony can stick it out, they make good products, just they've been moving away from the idea of the 'Playstation' for so long, I don't think we should even count the PS3 as a Video Gaming console anymore.

FANBOOOOOYYYYYY.

Go cry some more while others actually play the games you seem to think don't exist.

Also, by your logic, the Wii isn't a gaming console any more. It's just a distraction for young/old people.

Stop saying Fanboy,

your like a fanboy... fanboy.

I mean your point is fair enough and pretty good, but seemingly all the posts of yours that I have read start with some variation of "FANBOOOOYYYYYYY".

Can't you make a point without some sort of relatively-immature declaration or judgement of the person your responding too?

Gee, that's ironic. Your point was disproved the second you said it.

You hate Sony products. That's a given. But you have no proof they're a horrible company. Otherwise, they would've gone bankrupt and they'd discontinue the PS3. The Ps2 would've never sold, and the Ps1 would've never taken off. The PSP would never have been a decent piece of competition against Nintendo (doesn't matter they're behind. 50 mil is a success)

For example....

As much as I dislike Microsoft, for example, they're not a horrible company. They practically run the computer industry and have a "decent console". So I can't say they're a horrible company unless I can prove it. I can say they make crappy products because they do have a tendency to have very bad issues with their products. But to their credit, they are trying.

And Nintendo, I can't blame them either. Yes, they stopped caring about making good games in order to make games that make money, but considering money is the primary thing companies are after, then it seems like a sensible choice. It sucks for gaming, but I couldn't expect much more out of them.

So please. Do tell me how I'm being the immature one.

Oh, and to Hyena

I think those consumers would have preferred to see BLU-RAY go, not the PS2 Backwards Compatibility lol

I'm gonna need evidence that everyone hated blu ray before you make claims like that. You're saying things without backing them up, which makes me a bit iffy.

I actually thought your point was quite good, the only issue I had with your posts in this thread is that every single one has begun with a decrying statement about fanboyism.

Other than that I can't quite see which of my points were supposedly 'disproved the second I said it' as my only point was on this subject...

So, to sum up, if you could stop using the word 'fanboy' in every single one of your posts then I for one would be much happier.

P.S. "FANBOOOOOYYYYYY" = immature. Nothing neccersarily wrong with being immature in that nature, but dont try and make out that your constant declerations of fanboyism are in any way mature.

The worst thing is that your points are actually quite good, they are just cheapened by things like that.

 

[KSI Hellboy]

So what else is new? I love how IGN was pretentious enough to claim the PS3 on it's way to domination because of a two month sale increase in Japan, fueled by the FF13 demo. It's becoming more apparent that Sony is getting desperate by releasing the floodgates on their exclusives to justify their ridiculous price. I own one already, and I still realize that has to be the worst plan ever in this current economic state. They need to seriously get it together and drop the price before they go any further into the red. a 1 billion dollar profit loss is not an easy thing to absorb for any company even Sony. At this point the more stubborn consumers are concerned with their console surviving, no one is going to pay for something that possibly will not survive the long haul. Anyone else seeing the similarities Sony is showing with Sega?

All they need is some $200 add-ons to make it play PS2 games and look horrible and they'll be pretty close.

 

[KSI Hellboy]

So many games are exclusives on the PS3

.... oh wait, they all came over to the 360.
Resi Evil 5
Devil May Cry 4

Oh, and not to mention Final Fantasy XIII

inFAMOUS
Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time (if I call it A Crack in Time the joke is lost)
Heavy Rain
Uncharted 2
Wardevil: Unleash the Beast Within
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 (its at the point where I hear the words co-op that I really don't think remake justifies it, you know?)
Quantum Theory
Cross Edge
White Knight Chronicles
Demons Soul (hopefully)
Afrika
Katamari Forever
LA Noire
3 Exclusives from Capcom (I know I'm not supposed to just list these unnanounced exclusives, but it is Capcom. Its the best explanation of their report that they're bringing 12 games to the 360 this year, and 15 to the Ps3.)
God of War III
MAG
Gran Turismo 5
Twisted Metal 5 (you're not fooling anyone Jaffe)
Final Fantasy XIII Versus
Ni-Oh
The Agency
DC universe Online
Free Realms
Eyepet
Trinity Universe
Last Rebellion
Yakuza 3 (hopefully)

And last, but certainly not least, Trico.

Thats 31 games that we know of over the next year and a half.

That's if the Sony gaming department doesn't declare bankruptcy by then from an expected* multi-billion dollar loss.

Now, if you would please think with the logic portion of your brain, and not the glaringly large fanboy portion.

*Expected by me, based on the previous losses of 4 Billion dollars since launch.

 

[Jumplion]

Condense

I'm not saying that!

This is what I'm trying to say in words.

If the PS2, and even PS1, can survive for over 10 years, then it's not that preposterous for the PS3, 360, or Wii to survive for 10 years. I'm not saying they have to, I'm not saying it's inevitable for them to, I'm saying that it's possible and it's not as unlikely as you think!

How are you mixing my technology evolution with business model? What I'm saying has nothing to do with how Wal-Mart, Target, or Macys sells their merchandise. I'm saying that VHSs were expensive, along with Beta-Max. VHS got cheaper and people bought it. CDs at first were expensive, so people didn't buy them. CDs got cheaper, and VIOLA people bought them! DVDs were expensive when they first came out, not accepted by the masses. DVDs got cheaper and PRESTO it became a worldwide phenomenon (with help from the PS2 I may add).

Blu-ray is expensive right now, so what do you think will happen when it gets cheaper? It will sell better! Granted, it may not sell as well as it could, or it could very well be phased out by another format by then, but cheaper price=more availability and selling.

I think I know business at least partially well, but I'm not even talking about business strategies. I'm talking about patterns. This pattern that I'm talking about is probably known around the world, it's called supply and demand. Or if what I'm saying isn't S+D then it's probably really similar.

You are overstretching what I'm saying to an extreme and over complicating what I'm saying. The PS3, 360, or Wii could last for 10 despite some random new competitors with better hardware and it isn't all that preposterous. It does not matter if a new console comes around with better hardware as it would probably be the new PS3 and the PS2/Wii prove that it doesn't always matter about hardware.

Imagine you telling me this, all the way back in 2000 when the PS2 was launched.

"The current market however supports what I am saying, and that is WHY the PS2 is still outselling the PS3, and will probably continue to do so until Sony officially retires the line, and then the PS3 will have to face competition from a newer console that will only draw away more sales.
Tell you what, meet you back here in 2017 and lets see who was right and who was wrong."

And yet the PS2 is still alive. Just because technology has changed does not mean the pattern, or entire principle of cheaper=more sales, is gone. If the PS2 can survive for near 10 years, then I see no reason why any of the other consoles can't do the same.

You're trying to say that better hardware=better sales when clearly that is not the case. Nobody cares if something that's more powerful than the PS3 comes along, they care about what is cheap, what is affordable, and what is effective to what they want from it.

Better hardware =/= better sales.

And that's not mentioning how those mythical other gaming consoles will be advertised and such. A new console in general isn't going to sell automatically, it takes time and it takes resources. If a new console by Apple was announced, it could very well crash and burn in the first month of sales and not outsell the PS3. You're basing everything on optimal projection to something that probably isn't going to happen.

I will admit that I can't prove the lie with just a few people, but plenty of people in this forum have average joe computers and I wouldn't be surprised if you had one. It doesn't matter if there is a Carbon Encrusted CPU out there, if it doesn't sell and isn't among the masses then it doesn't matter how advanced technology has become.

It all depends on the consumer.

I would really like to end this debate because neither of us are getting anywhere with this. If you want to continue this, please send your reply through PM and we can continue from there.


~Jumplion

 

[Xbowhyena]

Sony is a horrible company. I'm a proud owner of many sony devices (DVD players, CD players, TVs, PSP) but they are just a damn stupid company. Look at the psp; drastically more powerful than the DS with so much potential, then it fails horribly. Now people don't even run the official Sony firmware on it (aka M33, I'm one of those people) because it offers so few features compared to other types. The PS3 would've done very well if not for several key mistakes. First off, Blu Ray. Blu Ray is NOT needed for video games.... yet. Most devs are too lazy to make any real use of this format. It just makes it so people expect these amazing graphics for all of the PS3 games, which is why most devs produce for the Xbox 360. Second, it lost PS2 compatibility too quickly. The PS2 is better than the PS3 just because of this reason, 'nuff said there. Third, Price. This goes hand-in-hand with using Blu Ray, the format is currently so damn expensive that it is made almost useless. And with Blu Ray, the PS3 needs all these powerful processors and other incredible internal devices, most of which are only used to full potential in exclusive PS3 games. Short and sweet, the PS3 was too futuristic for it's time. Things will catch on, but I really doubt it will be soon enough to save the PS3. Sony messed up... again... on this thing. I hope Sony can stick it out, they make good products, just they've been moving away from the idea of the 'Playstation' for so long, I don't think we should even count the PS3 as a Video Gaming console anymore.

FANBOOOOOYYYYYY.

Go cry some more while others actually play the games you seem to think don't exist.

Also, by your logic, the Wii isn't a gaming console any more. It's just a distraction for young/old people.

LOL I'm a fanboy? A fanboy for who exactly? You obviously didn't read much of my post, considering I say that I LIKE Sony as a company in there, I just think they are a fair bit stupid. I'm crying? I'm just posting my opinion on the PS3, then I'll go back to my life. This topic also has nothing to do with the Wii, you can have your opinions about it, but don't tell them to me. I'm not dropping $400 on a console for a small list of GOOD exclusives (compared to other consoles, especially computer) with questionable online and a Blu Ray player. Sorry, but I'll stick to my PC gaming until you can stick a mouse into the controller. The PS3 was a good effort, but it's not going to make a comeback any time soon. Again, it was too advanced for its own good.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

I'm gonna need evidence that everyone hated blu ray before you make claims like that. You're saying things without backing them up, which makes me a bit iffy.

Whoooooa there..

I'm not saying ANYONE hated blu ray. Whats to "hate" about it? If you can afford it or you are a videophile, Blu Ray is awesome, and considering that you get a gaming console WITH it makes PS3 arguably a GREAT investment on that merit alone.

All I'm saying is that if given a choice between backwards compatibility and Blu-ray, I think a majority of people would prefer to opt out of the blu-ray at this point in time because it's less of a requirement. After all, I buy video game consoles to play video games first and foremost and I believe many people think like I do.
I just think dropping blu-ray or even making it an optional addition would have been a better decision than dropping backwards compatibility, but I could be wrong. Maybe most gamers dont care about BC as me and my friends do.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

OMFG---high end consumable sees a drop in sales during a world wide recession!!!?! Must grab a pen and paper, write this down, and file it under "Bloody Inevitable."

... Its not that its going down, its because its gone down below the console its trying to replace. Please sir, stop trying to be witty when you know not what you speak.

The PS2 is currently a low end consumable, and is being marketed in developing and emerging countries such as India, which also coincidentally happens to be home to about a billion people. The PS3 is currently a high end consumable, which will inevitably see a drop in sales in Western societies, let alone developing countries.

Did you ever wonder why Sony has continued production of PS2's when it is apparently so desperate to sell PS3s? It's because it knows it is unable to market such a high end consumable in emerging markets in a global recession, and so it has continued production of PS2s.They also lowered the price/cost ratio of the product by producing the PS2 slim and they sell in high number with low margins. The PS2 slim is able to be made in bulk easier that the bulkier PS2s, and it also can be transported with greater efficiency, making it more economical to sell in bulk. Oh wait. I don't know what I am talking about.

QFT

 

[not a zaar]

I'm gonna need evidence that everyone hated blu ray before you make claims like that. You're saying things without backing them up, which makes me a bit iffy.

Whoooooa there..

I'm not saying ANYONE hated blu ray. Whats to "hate" about it? If you can afford it or you are a videophile, Blu Ray is awesome, and considering that you get a gaming console WITH it makes PS3 arguably a GREAT investment on that merit alone.

All I'm saying is that if given a choice between backwards compatibility and Blu-ray, I think a majority of people would prefer to opt out of the blu-ray at this point in time because it's less of a requirement. After all, I buy video game consoles to play video games first and foremost and I believe many people think like I do.
I just think dropping blu-ray or even making it an optional addition would have been a better decision than dropping backwards compatibility, but I could be wrong. Maybe most gamers dont care about BC as me and my friends do.

It's not like Sony could have just dropped Blu-Ray after the PS3 was released, all the games are printed on Blu-Ray discs.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

It could be done. What benefit are they really getting from releasing games on blu-ray?
The same can be duplicated right now on multi-double dvd's. The blu-ray disk is woefully underused technology not at it's peak. But the price of the disks would be cheaper, making the games cheaper and given a choice between having multiple dvds or a single blu ray disk, I'm inclined to believe people would buy whatever was cheaper as long as you attained the same functionality.
Keep in mind, PS2 games are printed on dvd's and still function effectively in the PS2, which tells me that it's possible to remove the Blu-ray component from at least a line of PS3's, which would drop their price considerably in manufacturing.
Give people a choice and they will throw their money at you.
Pigeon-hole them, and you get what Sony has got... people buying their competitor's systems because they can afford them and get a similar gaming experience and in some cases, an even better one.

 

[UnwishedGunz]

its lame that its falling behind on those systems but to fall behind its own system now that sucks which is why more games are coming out for the PS3 like that new Infamous game i want to play but i have a 360 so it sucks