The Playstation Loses.. To the Playstation

[Bulletinmybrain]

Sony actually did a poll amongst its consumers and they wanted the system cheaper. Most of them already had a PS2 so why bother?

I think those consumers would have preferred to see BLU-RAY go, not the PS2 Backwards Compatibility lol[/quote]

And then other then the colour, and company.. What difference would it have?

 

[Jumplion]

Condense

You are completely missing my point of every single thing that I am saying.

I never said, nor do I really care, if a PS3 game goes to 360 or PC with multi-disks. I don't give two shits.

The PS3 does fucking need blu-ray. How hard is it to get it through that thick skull of yours? I am trying my best to keep myself from exploding, but you are completely dodging everything that I'm trying to tell you and not even listening to me when it's right in front of you.

A PS3 without blu-ray, is a PS2.

There is no possible way that you can deny this, yet you're completely caught up in your fantasy that somehow a PS3 without the thing that sells it is a good idea.

The Wii needs the damn motion sensoring because that's what it's selling it as! Alot of games don't even use it properly, or use it at all, but it's being sold as this whacky fun toy that you toss around with and have a ball.

The PS3 god damn needs the fucking blu-ray because it's being sold as a god damn blu-ray player! There are hundereds of games out there right now on the PS3 and they are sold as blu-ray disks.

A PS3 without blu-ray is a Playstation Fucking 2.

Why the hell did you bring up piracy into this? First of all, I would like to see where you're getting your info of the pirates. We're not talking about people downloading PS3 games onto harddrives, what I'm saying is that it's completely improbably and Sony would be down right retarded if they ever sold a PS3 without blu-ray and sold it as something other than a PS2.

Not to mention, why the hell would you want them to downgrade at all? Do you want multi-disk gaming? Havn't we grown out of that, technologically, already?

The cost of reformating every single god damn game for the PS3 to this mythical Blu-ray-less PS3 would be much to expensive to be probable, even if they could turn a profit from this. And I highly doubt that anyone would buy a Blu-ray-less PS3 because the blu-ray is what made the fucking PS3.

A blu-ray-less PS3 would basically be a completely new console to develop for, and that is not probably especially considering Sony's financial state right now. Right now, Sony need to focus on turning in a profit for the PS3 with Blu-ray, and once that happens, why the hell would they make one without the thing that's selling the damn console?

How is it so hard of you to use some common sense? Taking out blu-ray is taking out practically the whole identity of the PS3. Taking out lemons in lemonade just gives you sugary ice cubes, and nobody wants sugary ice cubes when they could have lemonade.

 

[killcheese]

Microsoft and Sony would have to include LSD with every purchase before they caught up to Nintendo.

Haha, that would make me buy one for sure!

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

I just think dropping blu-ray or even making it an optional addition would have been a better decision than dropping backwards compatibility, but I could be wrong. Maybe most gamers dont care about BC as me and my friends do.

Bu-.....but the PS3 needs blu-ray. Know why?

Because without blu-ray, you wouldn't be able to play anything on the damn thing.

I find it very silly how people are trying to make taking out Blu-ray from the PS3 an option when it's nigh impossible because if Sony for some reason suddenly made a line of PS3s that did not include blu-ray, it wouldn't be a PS3, it'd be a PS2.

Now that is one thing you cannot argue against me

No, it doesnt. Ever played a PS2 game on your Ps3?
Ever play a regular DVD in it?
Thats your proof.

Your ignorance shows.

PS2 games don't use the same engine as the ps3.

Try sticking a SNES cartridge into a N64.

 

[Wini]

So, apparently the Playstation 3 has dropped way behind the Xbox 360, Wii, and even the Playstation 2.

Anyways, I thought that was good for a laugh, I mean losing a console war is no shame, but losing the console war to the system you are trying to replace.. Wow.


Source: http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/ps3-bested-by-older-brother/1315218

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php

Yeah, thing is, the PS3 is still selling better than the 360 in comparison to release dates.
I think that's the figure that's important and the media chooses to ignore, as there isn't a hype-making story behind it. Either way, the PS3 is hardly loosing any war.

Don't kid yourself boy, the ps3 is not even close to the 360 in terms of sales.

Ha, boy?
First of all, you clearly need to brush up on your maths and grammar.
Secondly, how can you say that when the PS3 has sold more in RELATIVE sales, considering the 360 had a year headstart.
Don't kid yourself, look at the facts, and leave your ignorance and rudeness for youtube.

And now the ignorant speaks of ignorance, congrats.
Speaking of math, want to explain how a the ps3 is behind by a mere 7 million consoles?

Are you being simple on purpose? Really? It feels like I'm just feeding a troll here, so here is what I am saying in the most simple form:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php
LOOK AT THE BLOODY GRAPH
See that line which is the PS3? It's above the 360 is it not?
Why is that ? Because if the 360 had been released at the same time as the PS3, then the PS3 would be outselling it.
100 weeks (or however many, the graph date is fuzzy) into the PS3's life, it has sold 22.2 Million units.
100 weeks into the 360's life, it only sold 18.7 million units.
Does that make sense? No one said 100 weeks into the 360's life that it's sales were sucking, so why are they looking at the totals sold, when the consoles weren't all released on the same date.
Now stop trolling, and actually look at the graph, understand it, and move on.

Yes, I've seen the graph, here's a quick update, nobody fucking cares about relative sales, 360 has sold more, end of story. Your one of those sony fan-boys who is riding on the belief that the ps3 will EVENTUALLY over-take the 360, but the fact is, it hasn't happened so kindly shut your gob and stopped bugging out because you feel like you have to defend your precious black box.

Actually the PS3 will over take the 360. NOTE I don't own a PS3 or played one, I've played 360, don't like it that much, I've been a sony fan since the PS2. Mazty is right in this arguement.

 

[sun_and_earth]

For me, 360 wins.

You know why?

I LIKE IT BETTER. I don't need to qualify that statement.

Seriously, why do you all try to justify your choice in console, then get all defensive when somebody has a different preference in games then you do? You're arguing about something that doesn't matter AT ALL.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

So, apparently the Playstation 3 has dropped way behind the Xbox 360, Wii, and even the Playstation 2.

Anyways, I thought that was good for a laugh, I mean losing a console war is no shame, but losing the console war to the system you are trying to replace.. Wow.


Source: http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/ps3-bested-by-older-brother/1315218

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php

Yeah, thing is, the PS3 is still selling better than the 360 in comparison to release dates.
I think that's the figure that's important and the media chooses to ignore, as there isn't a hype-making story behind it. Either way, the PS3 is hardly loosing any war.

Don't kid yourself boy, the ps3 is not even close to the 360 in terms of sales.

Ha, boy?
First of all, you clearly need to brush up on your maths and grammar.
Secondly, how can you say that when the PS3 has sold more in RELATIVE sales, considering the 360 had a year headstart.
Don't kid yourself, look at the facts, and leave your ignorance and rudeness for youtube.

And now the ignorant speaks of ignorance, congrats.
Speaking of math, want to explain how a the ps3 is behind by a mere 7 million consoles?

Are you being simple on purpose? Really? It feels like I'm just feeding a troll here, so here is what I am saying in the most simple form:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php
LOOK AT THE BLOODY GRAPH
See that line which is the PS3? It's above the 360 is it not?
Why is that ? Because if the 360 had been released at the same time as the PS3, then the PS3 would be outselling it.
100 weeks (or however many, the graph date is fuzzy) into the PS3's life, it has sold 22.2 Million units.
100 weeks into the 360's life, it only sold 18.7 million units.
Does that make sense? No one said 100 weeks into the 360's life that it's sales were sucking, so why are they looking at the totals sold, when the consoles weren't all released on the same date.
Now stop trolling, and actually look at the graph, understand it, and move on.

Yes, I've seen the graph, here's a quick update, nobody fucking cares about relative sales, 360 has sold more, end of story. Your one of those sony fan-boys who is riding on the belief that the ps3 will EVENTUALLY over-take the 360, but the fact is, it hasn't happened so kindly shut your gob and stopped bugging out because you feel like you have to defend your precious black box.

I like it when people try and ignore facts.

Ignorance is bliss, no?

 

[HyenaThePirate]

I just think dropping blu-ray or even making it an optional addition would have been a better decision than dropping backwards compatibility, but I could be wrong. Maybe most gamers dont care about BC as me and my friends do.

Bu-.....but the PS3 needs blu-ray. Know why?

Because without blu-ray, you wouldn't be able to play anything on the damn thing.

I find it very silly how people are trying to make taking out Blu-ray from the PS3 an option when it's nigh impossible because if Sony for some reason suddenly made a line of PS3s that did not include blu-ray, it wouldn't be a PS3, it'd be a PS2.

Now that is one thing you cannot argue against me

No, it doesnt. Ever played a PS2 game on your Ps3?
Ever play a regular DVD in it?
Thats your proof.

Your ignorance shows.

PS2 games don't use the same engine as the ps3.

Try sticking a SNES cartridge into a N64.

Your ignorance shows.
PS3 games dont use the same engine as other ps3 games...

Besides that you still missed the point. PS3 games dont necessarily REQUIRE blu-ray disks, it's just a chosen media format they wish to use.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Honestly though, I'm not going to sit here and say I WANT them to lose Blu-ray. I am only stating that they could and that it might be more profitable. But really it doesnt matter to me because I already HAVE a PS3 that I enjoy very much.
My only dog in this fight is that instead of sitting around trying to argue with people that one system is better than another using opinions as fact when the reality is the PS3 is still a heavy anchor dragging money out of Sony, I'm just thinking of positive constructive options that could help our beloved console rise up. You can sit around waiting for the PS3 to 'overtake' the 360 in the next 2-3 years... I'd prefer for that to happen sooner so that more developers, especially the Indie developers with fresh ideas get on board. I'm less excited about the "God of war 3's" and the "Final Fantasy 13's" as I am about the New and exciting IP's that havent been sequeled into oblivion. White Knight Chronicles looks AMAZING! Thats what I want.
But fanboys will only hold the system back, drawing divisive little lines in the sand and clinging desperately onto their handful of "exclusives" with iffy levels of entertainment quality.
For me it's simple: Better PS3 sales = more and better PS3 GAMES.
Since I OWN a PS3, more and better GAMES is of unparalleled importance to me.

 

[Jumplion]

Your ignorance shows.
PS3 games dont use the same engine as other ps3 games...

Besides that you still missed the point. PS3 games dont necessarily REQUIRE blu-ray disks, it's just a chosen media format they wish to use.
Nothing more, nothing less.

......haven't I told you anything?

Please show me one PS3 game, specifically a game developed for the PS3, not a PS2 game that you can play on PS3, that uses DVDs instead of Blu-ray.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was required, by Sony, that developers had to use Blu-ray discs to distribute and use their game.

And quite frankly, why the hell would developers want to develop a game on DVD on a Blu-ray specific game in the first place?

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

I just think dropping blu-ray or even making it an optional addition would have been a better decision than dropping backwards compatibility, but I could be wrong. Maybe most gamers dont care about BC as me and my friends do.

Bu-.....but the PS3 needs blu-ray. Know why?

Because without blu-ray, you wouldn't be able to play anything on the damn thing.

I find it very silly how people are trying to make taking out Blu-ray from the PS3 an option when it's nigh impossible because if Sony for some reason suddenly made a line of PS3s that did not include blu-ray, it wouldn't be a PS3, it'd be a PS2.

Now that is one thing you cannot argue against me

No, it doesnt. Ever played a PS2 game on your Ps3?
Ever play a regular DVD in it?
Thats your proof.

Your ignorance shows.

PS2 games don't use the same engine as the ps3.

Try sticking a SNES cartridge into a N64.

Your ignorance shows.
PS3 games dont use the same engine as other ps3 games...

Besides that you still missed the point. PS3 games dont necessarily REQUIRE blu-ray disks, it's just a chosen media format they wish to use.
Nothing more, nothing less.

You just can't help people.

Emotion Engine=/=Cell Engine.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

Your ignorance shows.
PS3 games dont use the same engine as other ps3 games...

Besides that you still missed the point. PS3 games dont necessarily REQUIRE blu-ray disks, it's just a chosen media format they wish to use.
Nothing more, nothing less.

......haven't I told you anything?

Please show me one PS3 game, specifically a game developed for the PS3, not a PS2 game that you can play on PS3, that uses DVDs instead of Blu-ray.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was required, by Sony, that developers had to use Blu-ray discs to distribute and use their game.

And quite frankly, why the hell would developers want to develop a game on DVD on a Blu-ray specific game in the first place?

They dont exist yet..."YET" being the operative term.

And yes Emotion Engine is not Cell Engine.
But neither is MGS4 Engine the same as Killzone 2 Engine.
It's like you dont think the PS3 is capable of any other function except the one it currently does, which is stupid! It's the most powerful console on the MARKET, bar NONE.
If Sony wants to put games on DVD's it CAN. Whether the game is on 4 dvd's or on 1 blu-ray means absolutely NOTHING, NOTHING to the cell's ability to run those games as they were INTENDED.
If anything, the cell is MORE than capable of doing this.
You're the kind of people that would say that Corn can only be prepared one way... it can only be boiled. It cannot be turned into pop corn or corn meal or anything else because it was designed to be cooked on the COB.
I say balderdash.
The PS3 is far more capable and deserves more credit than you two would give it, and thats a pity because you are so bent on having things YOUR way, that you would doom the very system you love so much to failure because you'd prefer the market to adapt to IT than IT adapt to the MARKET.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

Your ignorance shows.
PS3 games dont use the same engine as other ps3 games...

Besides that you still missed the point. PS3 games dont necessarily REQUIRE blu-ray disks, it's just a chosen media format they wish to use.
Nothing more, nothing less.

......haven't I told you anything?

Please show me one PS3 game, specifically a game developed for the PS3, not a PS2 game that you can play on PS3, that uses DVDs instead of Blu-ray.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was required, by Sony, that developers had to use Blu-ray discs to distribute and use their game.

And quite frankly, why the hell would developers want to develop a game on DVD on a Blu-ray specific game in the first place?

They dont exist yet..."YET" being the operative term.

And yes Emotion Engine is not Cell Engine.
But neither is MGS4 Engine the same as Killzone 2 Engine.

Those game engines are designed to run in the cell engine.

 

[Jumplion]

They dont exist yet..."YET" being the operative term.

And yes Emotion Engine is not Cell Engine.
But neither is MGS4 Engine the same as Killzone 2 Engine.
It's like you dont think the PS3 is capable of any other function except the one it currently does, which is stupid! It's the most powerful console on the MARKET, bar NONE.
If Sony wants to put games on DVD's it CAN. Whether the game is on 4 dvd's or on 1 blu-ray means absolutely NOTHING, NOTHING to the cell's ability to run those games as they were INTENDED.
If anything, the cell is MORE than capable of doing this.
You're the kind of people that would say that Corn can only be prepared one way... it can only be boiled. It cannot be turned into pop corn or corn meal or anything else because it was designed to be cooked on the COB.
I say balderdash.
The PS3 is far more capable and deserves more credit than you two would give it, and thats a pity because you are so bent on having things YOUR way, that you would doom the very system you love so much to failure because you'd prefer the market to adapt to IT than IT adapt to the MARKET.

Different game engine, not different cell design. All games on PS3 use the cell one way or another. No PS2 game uses cell.

I am all for thinking outside the box, it's the only way that gaming can evolve. Downgrading a console is not evolving, it's devolving and does nothing to help anything and all it does is hurt the creators of it.

Corn is something completely different, you can't devolve corn unless I'm missing something in the great corn evolution. There are plenty, proven, uses for corn. However, taking out the kernels in corn doesn't make it corn anymore. It's just a bunch of kernels now.

And I keep telling you, a blu-ray-less PS3 IS A FUCKING PLAYSTATION TWO!!!!

Your going around, touting your "brilliant" idea that somehow removing what makes the PS3 sell (read the previous sentence 4 or 5 times) would be a good idea.

It's not.

 

[phar]

Yeah Hyena has no idea. MS's 'smart buisness model' (using DVDs) is already at its limits. The 360 DL DVDs only hold like 6-7 gigs with all the protection they have on them, 90% of games are hitting that mark. Even for multi disk games developers still cut content because you cant give it all on multiple disks. By your logic the PS3 should use CD's since they are technically cheaper than DVD's since the amount of content on a disk does not matter. Disk changing is a thing of the past.

Oh and last time I checked a PS3 game on bluray costs the same as a 360 game on a DLDVD..

 

[Tony Grande]

This thread still going? If you take an objective look on the people here, you can clearly see that less than 1% can be made to change their opinion about ........ Why is everyone so stuck up on their own believes. Your here to discuss, not to proclaim truth!

 

[SmoothGlover]

Sony is a horrible company. I'm a proud owner of many sony devices (DVD players, CD players, TVs, PSP) but they are just a damn stupid company. Look at the psp; drastically more powerful than the DS with so much potential, then it fails horribly. Now people don't even run the official Sony firmware on it (aka M33, I'm one of those people) because it offers so few features compared to other types. The PS3 would've done very well if not for several key mistakes. First off, Blu Ray. Blu Ray is NOT needed for video games.... yet. Most devs are too lazy to make any real use of this format. It just makes it so people expect these amazing graphics for all of the PS3 games, which is why most devs produce for the Xbox 360. Second, it lost PS2 compatibility too quickly. The PS2 is better than the PS3 just because of this reason, 'nuff said there. Third, Price. This goes hand-in-hand with using Blu Ray, the format is currently so damn expensive that it is made almost useless. And with Blu Ray, the PS3 needs all these powerful processors and other incredible internal devices, most of which are only used to full potential in exclusive PS3 games. Short and sweet, the PS3 was too futuristic for it's time. Things will catch on, but I really doubt it will be soon enough to save the PS3. Sony messed up... again... on this thing. I hope Sony can stick it out, they make good products, just they've been moving away from the idea of the 'Playstation' for so long, I don't think we should even count the PS3 as a Video Gaming console anymore.

FANBOOOOOYYYYYY.

Go cry some more while others actually play the games you seem to think don't exist.

Also, by your logic, the Wii isn't a gaming console any more. It's just a distraction for young/old people.

Stop saying Fanboy,

your like a fanboy... fanboy.

I mean your point is fair enough and pretty good, but seemingly all the posts of yours that I have read start with some variation of "FANBOOOOYYYYYYY".

Can't you make a point without some sort of relatively-immature declaration or judgement of the person your responding too?

Gee, that's ironic. Your point was disproved the second you said it.

You hate Sony products. That's a given. But you have no proof they're a horrible company. Otherwise, they would've gone bankrupt and they'd discontinue the PS3. The Ps2 would've never sold, and the Ps1 would've never taken off. The PSP would never have been a decent piece of competition against Nintendo (doesn't matter they're behind. 50 mil is a success)

For example....

As much as I dislike Microsoft, for example, they're not a horrible company. They practically run the computer industry and have a "decent console". So I can't say they're a horrible company unless I can prove it. I can say they make crappy products because they do have a tendency to have very bad issues with their products. But to their credit, they are trying.

And Nintendo, I can't blame them either. Yes, they stopped caring about making good games in order to make games that make money, but considering money is the primary thing companies are after, then it seems like a sensible choice. It sucks for gaming, but I couldn't expect much more out of them.

So please. Do tell me how I'm being the immature one.

Oh, and to Hyena

I think those consumers would have preferred to see BLU-RAY go, not the PS2 Backwards Compatibility lol

I'm gonna need evidence that everyone hated blu ray before you make claims like that. You're saying things without backing them up, which makes me a bit iffy.

I actually thought your point was quite good, the only issue I had with your posts in this thread is that every single one has begun with a decrying statement about fanboyism.

Other than that I can't quite see which of my points were supposedly 'disproved the second I said it' as my only point was on this subject...

So, to sum up, if you could stop using the word 'fanboy' in every single one of your posts then I for one would be much happier.

P.S. "FANBOOOOOYYYYYY" = immature. Nothing neccersarily wrong with being immature in that nature, but dont try and make out that your constant declerations of fanboyism are in any way mature.

The worst thing is that your points are actually quite good, they are just cheapened by things like that.

So you didn't even reply to my comment, which you yourself said had some good points, because of something earlier I said? Yeesh. A little narrowminded of you.

But my point stands. The Ps3 sold alot of units. And it isn't a failure. Nobody can disprove that. You can try, but you can't disprove it.

Yeah ok, I shall concede that I didn't actually answer your comment, I was merely asking that you didn't carry on with calling everybody a fanboy.

In answer to your very first post (or atleast, the one which I first qouted) I think your right about the PSP though, considering that handheld gaming is very much Nintendos backyard the PSP has been a success in that it is still surviving with new games coming out for it.

 

[KoRn_Leader]

The PC doesn't have Metal Gear Solid 4, so you can't really say it has better games.

I lol'ed so very hard at this statement.

 

[Pendragon9]

snippet from yesterday

Blu Ray being worthless is merely an assumption. It's not fact. Trends aren't as easily trackable as you may think. They can be chaotic.

Besides, digital downloading being the wave of the future is a HORRIBLE idea. I want a hard copy for alot of my data. I can't have it all online. Do you realize how dangerous that is?

And here's a little snippet for you. The reason the PS3 isn't selling as much as the 360 and Ps2 is because it's not been out as long. Go on and laugh because I use that argument, you know it's the contributing factor. If the 360 wasn't rushed and it was actually put out when it was supposed to, it would be the same quality as the Ps3. Because they rushed it, they got first sales and had a crappy product on the market. I still refuse to buy a 360 because it's still error ridden with so many things it makes the RROD look like a digital papercut.

The Ps2 is still selling because, surprise surprise, it still has a magnificent library, and I wouldn't be surprised if it started outselling the Wii again.

The point is Blu Ray is a unique technology and you can't just predict what will happen with it. Only time will tell.

Besides, the Ps3 plays DVDs along with Blu Ray, so you win either way. Also, thanks to it's backward compatibility, it has a large range of games that will still support it.

BEFORE you say anything, I'm referring to Ps1 compatibility, which should still be in all models. Those games were proof you didn't need shiny graphics to enjoy a game. If Sony releases the entire Ps1 library for download, then they'll thunder back into the game.

Until then, they're not out of the game yet.