The problem with Dead Space
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In any modern first person shooter, how does a single soldier mow down hundreds of enemies and shrug off bullets? In any fantasy game, how does one spontaneously learn a complicated skill in a matter of seconds?
By your logic, every video game in the world is stupid. They are not.
Now your logic, on the other hand... your logic is stupider than a lobotomized cat.
By your logic, every video game in the world is stupid. They are not.
Now your logic, on the other hand... your logic is stupider than a lobotomized cat.
Isaac was able to survive because he joined the party late =P
as people have already mentioned, a lot of people died via others mistakes or by suicide/murders, trying to survive during all that would have been near immposible, trying to survive the aftermath would have been a hell of a lot easier.
Having survived the first game makes it easier to see how he survived the second, he knew what to do, how to kill, and all of the necros tricks.
Guns are very ineffective agaisnt the necros, however mining/enginering tools are pretty effective, and guess what isaac is?
finally, you do meet other people
*spoilers* you meet that crazy guy who seems to worship the necros, he doesnt appear to fight them, but hides.
The other good doctor, who survived by hiding in locked rooms
there are multiple survivers around the sprawl, ellie being a good example (who is in fact military trained) as well as multiple others
as people have already mentioned, a lot of people died via others mistakes or by suicide/murders, trying to survive during all that would have been near immposible, trying to survive the aftermath would have been a hell of a lot easier.
Having survived the first game makes it easier to see how he survived the second, he knew what to do, how to kill, and all of the necros tricks.
Guns are very ineffective agaisnt the necros, however mining/enginering tools are pretty effective, and guess what isaac is?
finally, you do meet other people
*spoilers* you meet that crazy guy who seems to worship the necros, he doesnt appear to fight them, but hides.
The other good doctor, who survived by hiding in locked rooms
there are multiple survivers around the sprawl, ellie being a good example (who is in fact military trained) as well as multiple others
While such may be true, you have to realize that even with a fully trained fire squad, necromorphs can't be killed except by amputation of their arms and legs in Dead Space. Fire squads aim at center mass, so they would not have anymore luck dealing with a horde of close combat necromorphs than Isaac does alone with a plasma cutter.Fidelias said:
tl;dr - IT'S A ZOMBIE GAME! If you consider that to be the sole unrealistic issue with Dead Space, then you are doing it wrong.
Forget Dead Space!
I'm still thrashing my brain over how one guy can defeat the armies of hell on Mars' moons and Earth and then proceed to BLOW UP Hell?
How does one man defeat an army of Aliens and Mutants (Four times) and save all of Earth's women!
How can a journalist survive in a zombie infested shopping mall all on his own?
How can a theoretical physicist survive against both alien and human armies?
How can one guy end up winning World War 2 by killing Hitler (who happens to be in a Mechsuit covered in chainguns)
How is it that one angry greek man is able to destroy the entire Greek Pantheon? (And most of the Greek mythological creatures)
How can a Courier survive a bullet to the brain and then proceed to wake up and wrestle Deathclaws barehanded?
There is an answer to all of these questions:
It is a game and games are designed to be entertaining without little things like "reality" getting in the way of it.
I'm still thrashing my brain over how one guy can defeat the armies of hell on Mars' moons and Earth and then proceed to BLOW UP Hell?
How does one man defeat an army of Aliens and Mutants (Four times) and save all of Earth's women!
How can a journalist survive in a zombie infested shopping mall all on his own?
How can a theoretical physicist survive against both alien and human armies?
How can one guy end up winning World War 2 by killing Hitler (who happens to be in a Mechsuit covered in chainguns)
How is it that one angry greek man is able to destroy the entire Greek Pantheon? (And most of the Greek mythological creatures)
How can a Courier survive a bullet to the brain and then proceed to wake up and wrestle Deathclaws barehanded?
There is an answer to all of these questions:
It is a game and games are designed to be entertaining without little things like "reality" getting in the way of it.
The marker doesn't drive every body crazy. Any one with a high intelligence will simply get messages from the marker and not go bat shit insane. Just compare stross and issac. An average joe and and engineer.
It would be a damn short and frustrating game if he wasn't able to kill all the necromorphs..
Spawn, walk around a bit, killed by necromorph.... the end.
Spawn, walk around a bit, killed by necromorph.... the end.
1. Mario can jump the shit outta baddies heads, no other character in mario can do that.e2density said:
2. Pretty much anyone can survive the zombie apocalypse, so long as they are IMMUNE, which is the case in Left 4 Dead. Otherwise one scratch and that's it.
3. James Bond is...... yeah you're right here. But he's James Bond D:
I think all horror games that somewhat revolve around the Survive! narrative usually try to pick the unlikely protagonist to show how 'anyone' can survive something horrifying and hellish. That and Isaac's mining equipment is pretty gruesome, not intended for use against other people but does a hell of a good job at it.
It's less about how well-prepared Isaac is for the job, it's how suited he is to adapt and get out by the skin of his teeth.
Personally, my problem with Dead Space is that it doesn't have enough of what look for in a horror game, and opts for the AAA action stuff to make it a blockbuster hit. It (especially Dead Space 2) is a great game and I'm enjoying the hell out of it, but I never truly get the feeling that I'm alone and defenseless, which is what I look for in a horror game. Even if I'm low on ammo for a certain gun, I still know that I HAVE a gun, or that I have OTHER guns to dish out pain.
It feels more like an action game with horror elements, rather than a horror game with some good action.
It's less about how well-prepared Isaac is for the job, it's how suited he is to adapt and get out by the skin of his teeth.
Personally, my problem with Dead Space is that it doesn't have enough of what look for in a horror game, and opts for the AAA action stuff to make it a blockbuster hit. It (especially Dead Space 2) is a great game and I'm enjoying the hell out of it, but I never truly get the feeling that I'm alone and defenseless, which is what I look for in a horror game. Even if I'm low on ammo for a certain gun, I still know that I HAVE a gun, or that I have OTHER guns to dish out pain.
It feels more like an action game with horror elements, rather than a horror game with some good action.
Keep in mind that the events leading up to the Necromorph outbreak are dementia, hysteria, mass murders and mass suicides. People go crazy and start killing one another, the police force and army are separated and eventually succumb to the same effects. The more intellgent a person is, the less likely they will go feral.
The so called HUNDREDS that are fighting them are being slowly turned into them and those that are killed fighting are usually left too beaten up to be turned into Necromorphs (They need a head and most of their limbs and the limbs are optional.)
Most of the weapons in the game are basic miners tools and those that aren't, aren't exactly difficult to figure out and use.(I'm looking at you Pulse Rifle).
In short, the Necromorph infection doesn't just happen, it follows mass Hysteria, rioting, murders, suicides, stuff that dwindles the thousands of people to mere hundreds and causes them to spread thing, then the Necromorph's come and finish the job. The weapons Issac use are all mining tools (With the exception of two) and Issac has been trained in all of them.
The so called HUNDREDS that are fighting them are being slowly turned into them and those that are killed fighting are usually left too beaten up to be turned into Necromorphs (They need a head and most of their limbs and the limbs are optional.)
Most of the weapons in the game are basic miners tools and those that aren't, aren't exactly difficult to figure out and use.(I'm looking at you Pulse Rifle).
In short, the Necromorph infection doesn't just happen, it follows mass Hysteria, rioting, murders, suicides, stuff that dwindles the thousands of people to mere hundreds and causes them to spread thing, then the Necromorph's come and finish the job. The weapons Issac use are all mining tools (With the exception of two) and Issac has been trained in all of them.
1.) at 10-20 feet, you don't really need a large degree of weapons training. Military Training teaches you how to reach out 50-100 meters on side arms and 500 meters on rifles... police, personal defence, and private security teaches you how to reach out 10-20 feet with pistols and 100 meters with rifles.
2.) What makes you think the guy is sane? as far as we know, the entire game could be a series of events constructed by the guys insane mind.
2.) What makes you think the guy is sane? as far as we know, the entire game could be a series of events constructed by the guys insane mind.
You make some good points.The Robotman said:
When I played Dead Space, right out of the chute, I knew the premise was odd, but it was completely understandable. Issac, as the technician, has to fix some broken equipment, but as he does, he finds that things have gone to hell. After his transport is destroyed, he has to look for other ways off the colony. While he had no training, he could use tools to fend off the necros until the game ends, which ended up being quite effective. Silly, but enjoyable, despite the lack of tension and dread.
However, your point about Issac being the only one being capable of stopping the necromorphs is very true. It's a trope that gets used in poorly done first/third person shooters, horror or otherwise, far more often than anyone really wants it to be. One man against an army. I've seen it done way too often after the original Doom, which is one reason why I still play Doom, and still get scared playing it. Doom 3, even though it came before Dead Space, and while some criticize it for being too much like System Shock *Yahtzee*, that game is far more immersive than Dead Space.
Plus, EA couldn't keep their mouths shut about the dismemberment tech before launch, so more immersion went straight out the door as they blabbed about that.
Yeah, but EA is that kind of company. They make some gems (Skate), but this was a bread and butter thriller game and was not built on a very engaging premise.
Frankly, it's a poor man's Doom 3, and I say that with zero disrespect to ID's game. I love their titles.
He can do it by himself! He's Isaac, that name already makes him a super badass. I sort of agree, but if there were a bunch of people fighting with you it would kill the atmosphere. How could they have made a game like Dead Space, but with more people, it seems damn near impossible.