The Problem with Piracy...
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[/quote]faster than that even. slightly off subject, batman the city of gothem was never in a state of anarchy it was simply ruled by criminals who rule hurted the week and poor, so batman step in to help those suffering under there rule. and if batman wins there still no anarchy the power just another form of government, which hopeful will serve the people better.[/quote]
why faster? i was referring to the children of the anarchists, also assuming that those who create the experiment are anarchists.
why faster? i was referring to the children of the anarchists, also assuming that those who create the experiment are anarchists.
this is confusing immaturity with failure to conform with commonly accepted ideas. Children are born atheists too, because they haven't been exposed to religion. some people simply fail to conform as they get older as well. It's not immaturity, simply individualistic thinking. It may be immoral, or unethical, but is not inherently immature.tofulove said:
In that case you have no reason to complain whatsoever... About anything. Imagine the next Call of Duty is a pile of poop with a message that says "press spacebar for more poop", imagine Mass Effect 2 makes your monitor explote and delete all you school documents and porno pictures. You know what you can say about that? Nothing at all, zero, nada. By justifing that you and a lot of people are not willing to support nothing at all in no way whatsoever, you are sending the message that noone should work to make anything good, remarkable, or even decent, but the bare minimum is the same, because otherwise would be throwing away effort. By parasiting on the industry, you are effectively ruining it for the rest of us.Gilbert Munch said:
I am not arguing about the commodity of piracy either (if I go to a shop and there is noone there, I could steal something and walk away; that wouldn't make me less a theft). And that is not morality; that is the order of things... Don't believe me? Look at PC gaming, where most times than not, little effort is actually put to create quality content; or more often than not, no effort at all.
you obviously haven't read the tread, time effort and risk, are not free, your paying for the developers time effort and the risk in making it, if your steeling it your steeling his time and effort and putting him at a higher risk of financial failure. and games go under the catagory of movies, if a movie sucks it should fail cause no one will want to see it, if a movie rocks it should make a lot of money its a risky business with a good chance of making a lot of money if you do a good job, people who steel are hurting the people who put there life on the line to make some thing valuable and getting the value from with out supporting the creater.ZAch055 said:
and yes they are literally putting the life on the line, there taking loans to support them selfs as they make it, if it fails they have no money and dept and will go homeless.
I wasn't aware immaturity = 'selfishness'. What you're implying is that piracy is just something children do, and it's something they grow out of. Piracy is not like breastfeeding, and if that's how you feel about piracy then I must apologise, but you are wrong. Piracy is all about temptation, and especially when the means are laid out in front of you and it's not even a huge moral issue (every time you download a torrent, a child dies...).tofulove said:
A game is nothing but 1's and 0's right?ZAch055 said:
In that case, here is a free game for you: 101010001010101010101010101010101010111010110010101001010101010101010101001001010101010101010
Enjoy it. Or not... I don't care. That is the amount of game you are entitled to experience, nothing less, and certainly NOTHING more.
if you guys hadn't guessed by now, the moral high horse is a flagrantly ineffectual argument. If you really cared about the issue, not just the argument, you would get off your high horse and try and CONVINCE HIM YOU'RE RIGHT.Gilbert Munch said:
refusing to live with others in a mutually beneficial way with respect is a lack of maturity, like it or not you have to live with other people in a community, were a pack animal. and as a pack animal rules are set to keep order.Felated Show Pony said:
one can be a individual and function in society. religion imo has no basis on morals, i am to a atheist bin one sence i was 10 -when i learn they had a word for it-
tofulove said:
also what do you think we bin doing, its not a matter of your saying of moral high horse. its a matter of law, moral or not is there, if you want make a bill and try to get it voted on. or plan b over throw your government and make your own laws, in tell than you have to fallow the law or break it at your own risk. am i saying all lawys are good. hell no. i think there alot of silly out dated laws that need to be removed. steeling isn't one of themFelated Show Pony said:
I wasn't aware that I needed convicing of anything. I never asked anyone to, and so far when somebody has I have explained my view. The thing is, I am young. I don't have much extra cash.tofulove said:
So, and I know you love them, here's another scenario: you can buy a DS game. It costs 30 pounds, and you want it. You can save up for 3 months, go to your local store and buy it. Or, you can go to jollyroger.com. Here it is free, you can have it immediately, and there are no reprocussions. You buy it from jollyroger.com, and go into town and spend money with your friends.
DS Game + Fun with friends + other things > DS Game
And that is my logic. Call it flawed, call it whatever you want, call me flawed, but as a young person, that is how it seems to me. And I know that's how it seems to a lot of other young people too, but with music or films. I don't want to seem like a kind of Jesus, but when I speak I speak for a lot of young people just like me.
tofulove and the satan guy,
this isn't directed at any particular post of yours, but you definitely misunderstand what we are saying.
You both think that society somehow constitutes the right simply for being ultimately preimposed on individuals. the "right" thing to do has been debated for years, and yet you both act as if it's clear simply because society, our our society has made up it's mind.
That is simply rule of law in place of an argument. it has no place in a serious discussion.
That is the real immaturity here.
this isn't directed at any particular post of yours, but you definitely misunderstand what we are saying.
You both think that society somehow constitutes the right simply for being ultimately preimposed on individuals. the "right" thing to do has been debated for years, and yet you both act as if it's clear simply because society, our our society has made up it's mind.
That is simply rule of law in place of an argument. it has no place in a serious discussion.
That is the real immaturity here.
I really see no point discussing this. You've said it's not a need. Fine.
Then there's no logical reason for you to have the game.
Trying to justify piracy by not having enough money as a logical reason just doesn't make sense.
Only greed justifies pirating a game (or perhaps to test it before buying, but when are you just testing a game or actually playing it but just getting tired of it?).
Then there's no logical reason for you to have the game.
Trying to justify piracy by not having enough money as a logical reason just doesn't make sense.
Only greed justifies pirating a game (or perhaps to test it before buying, but when are you just testing a game or actually playing it but just getting tired of it?).
let the big kids talk this out honey, the statement you just made shows you haven't been paying attention.TheCetus said:
Fallout 3 much? Moral choices are never that binary or extreme in real life, which doesn't mean you have green card to choose what you already said to know it is the wrong option due to weakness.Gilbert Munch said:
Look, it is obvious that whatever we say here is not going to change your moral compass. You wanted to know why piracy is wrong and illegal despite being easy? In these thread there are a lot of good answers (pirasiting on other people's work for nothing than selfish reasons, not suporting some of your favorite games, sending the message that nothing excelent is appreciated but the bare minimum or nothing at all is acceptable, etc). Wheter you decide to thougth about them or just ignore them because you want your next Call of Duty fix, its your choice...
Just don't complain when your next fallout game corrupts your saves, or L4D2 has problems with your video card drivers.