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NeutralMunchHotel

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tofulove said:
we found out some thing about you to, like how you don't like being called out on your views but at the same time want to here them, silly isn't it. to your very childish and have no sence of right and wrong. 3 you think every one around you is here to help and entertain you, have no respect for others time and effort, and when people confront you on this you just say your misunderstanding my point, frankly that is your point your a selfish ass hole who thinks its ok to steel from people
Ok, ok, ok, looks like it's time for Gilbert to defend his honour here...

When did I never like being called out on my views? Multiple times I've said that it's wrong, but I can't bring myself to spend the money on it when there is something else I could buy. I just can't, and that is my major flaw.

What I found very interesting were points 2 and 3. I do indeed have a sense of right and wrong. It's wrong for companies to fix prices. Companies (yes, that includes game companies) fix prices (Google 'The Fix is In', This American Life, it's very good). It's wrong to pirate things. Millions of people pirate things. It works in swings and roundabouts. And I am a 'selfish ass hole'? Well, that's news to me. And the simple fact is, people are misunderstanding why I even posted this. It's not for affirmation, it's just me wondering what people think about it. And that's the response that I got, and while it didn't agree with me, I thank you.
 

tofulove

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frankly over half of what he said has bin about him. i do this i think i do is ok, i think its bad that i do this or good that i do this, almost every post he has made has bin about him. so me making a post about him is is well, relevant.
 

tofulove

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he is unable to argue the point subjectively, he has to put him self into the debate, those the debate is partly about him,
 

Felated Show Pony

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sure it does, a huge part of the discussion hes trying to make is about him self, so he him self is up for debate cause he made it so[/quote]

there is no argument here, you are attacking him as a person, instead of directing your post at the argument. We understand that morality matters a lot to you, and it is fine that you do. but attacking those that do not follow morality is simply hatespeech. not to mention, immoral.
 

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Felated Show Pony said:
sure it does, a huge part of the discussion hes trying to make is about him self, so he him self is up for debate cause he made it so
there is no argument here, you are attacking him as a person, instead of directing your post at the argument. We understand that morality matters a lot to you, and it is fine that you do. but attacking those that do not follow morality is simply hatespeech. not to mention, immoral.[/quote]

make a valid point, although i wouldn't call it hate speech just being unprofessional in a debate. point taken
 

NeutralMunchHotel

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Gilbert Munch said:
Unless I'm mistaken, you've answered the question of 'what is the point of this thread'. To find out what other people think, and to see if people agree or disagree with me. I think it's safe to say that all of those things have been found out over the course of these 5 pages.
Ok, good. Now you know what I think (for what is worth), besides 5 pages of other people thoughts... My job here is done.

Now is up to you wheter you decide to do with what you find out in these 5 pages, if anything at all.
You know what? This whole thing has made me think a little more about when I download things. Chances are I won't stop, (lets hear it again: I can't justify it to myself...) but I'll probably think more. Then, when I'm older, I'll try to pay it back. To charuty, though, God knows they derserve it more that EA and Henry Hatsworth.
 

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Gilbert Munch said:
And I am a 'selfish ass hole'?
You can point out alot of things that are wrong in this world but that doesn't morally allow you to go ahead and join in in the wrongdoing. Downloading illegally is selfish and amoral from society's point of view but practical from personal point of view. Which one is more important?
Pretend you're buying your stuff if you think it helps you out (in terms of relationship or law), download illegally what you want. Tadaa, best of both worlds.
 

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Felated Show Pony said:
TheCetus said:
Felated Show Pony said:
TheCetus said:
I really see no point discussing this. You've said it's not a need. Fine.
Then there's no logical reason for you to have the game.
Trying to justify piracy by not having enough money as a logical reason just doesn't make sense.
Only greed justifies pirating a game (or perhaps to test it before buying, but when are you just testing a game or actually playing it but just getting tired of it?).

let the big kids talk this out honey, the statement you just made shows you haven't been paying attention.
I've followed this thread from page 1. No reason to be condescending.
actually, the argument against what you're saying has already been made, if you go back and read it. No point in bringing it back up.
I really haven't seen any other argument other than: "I FEEL the only way I can play a game is by pirating it" (paraphrased somewhat, but that's basically what it boils down to). You can't really argue against that because that's how he feels about it.

What I said is there is no reason to pirate stuff. Either you buy it or you don't get to play the game. It's not a necessity. If you can't go out with friends AND buy that game, then prioritise. Why should the companies "pay" for your entertainment?

This discussion doesn't really add much new stuff. People are just repeating themselves.
 

tofulove

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Gilbert Munch said:
hermes200 said:
Gilbert Munch said:
Unless I'm mistaken, you've answered the question of 'what is the point of this thread'. To find out what other people think, and to see if people agree or disagree with me. I think it's safe to say that all of those things have been found out over the course of these 5 pages.
Ok, good. Now you know what I think (for what is worth), besides 5 pages of other people thoughts... My job here is done.

Now is up to you wheter you decide to do with what you find out in these 5 pages, if anything at all.
You know what? This whole thing has made me think a little more about when I download things. Chances are I won't stop, (lets hear it again: I can't justify it to myself...) but I'll probably think more. Then, when I'm older, I'll try to pay it back. To charuty, though, God knows they derserve it more that EA and Henry Hatsworth.
your on the rode to recovery, given time and patience maby one day you will stop. intell than im out, sorry the last few of my post got off track and into personal attacks, have a good day.
 

Felated Show Pony

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tofulove said:
Felated Show Pony said:
sure it does, a huge part of the discussion hes trying to make is about him self, so he him self is up for debate cause he made it so
there is no argument here, you are attacking him as a person, instead of directing your post at the argument. We understand that morality matters a lot to you, and it is fine that you do. but attacking those that do not follow morality is simply hatespeech. not to mention, immoral.
make a valid point, although i wouldn't call it hate speech just being unprofessional in a debate. point taken[/quote]

agreed.
 

Felated Show Pony

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TheCetus said:
Felated Show Pony said:
TheCetus said:
Felated Show Pony said:
TheCetus said:
I really see no point discussing this. You've said it's not a need. Fine.
Then there's no logical reason for you to have the game.
Trying to justify piracy by not having enough money as a logical reason just doesn't make sense.
Only greed justifies pirating a game (or perhaps to test it before buying, but when are you just testing a game or actually playing it but just getting tired of it?).

let the big kids talk this out honey, the statement you just made shows you haven't been paying attention.
I've followed this thread from page 1. No reason to be condescending.
actually, the argument against what you're saying has already been made, if you go back and read it. No point in bringing it back up.
I really haven't seen any other argument other than: "I FEEL the only way I can play a game is by pirating it" (paraphrased somewhat, but that's basically what it boils down to). You can't really argue against that because that's how he feels about it.

What I said is there is no reason to pirate stuff. Either you buy it or you don't get to play the game. It's not a necessity. If you can't go out with friends AND buy that game, then prioritise. Why should the companies "pay" for your entertainment?

This discussion doesn't really add much new stuff. People are just repeating themselves.
True. but then again, you SERIOUSLY need to go read the posts where we addressed that idea. We weren't just ranting.
 

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In most cases, for every pirate, there are several people who have the money to burn, or don't understand the ease of most piracy, or don't have access to the tools required to be a successful pirate (the R4 is actually a little difficult to find these days, and modding your console is a seedy business at the best of times, if you can even manage to find someone who can do it).

I honestly don't pirate games that much... for one, my PC can't handle most games I'd like to play, and two, like I said, console modding/pirating is both a pain and far past my "line". I'll get the occasional old 8/16-bit game, and I do get the occasional movie..

But honestly, I think the "piracy is destroying the world" is quite overblown - yes, the developers are losing some money from piracy, but they're losing way way way more money, on the whole, from the game rental market and the used game market, and that problem is only getting bigger for them, gauntlets are being dropped over the PSPGo. Piracy isn't the big problem.. the huge majority of pirates, if they were unable to get what they wanted via piracy, would change what they wanted to something that they could get via piracy, instead of shelling out money.

They pirate on principle. It's not even about "convenience" or "trying before you buy".. It's about taking some control from retailers. It's saying "I'm taking this, and there's nothing you can do to stop me."

Piracy investigation isn't aimed at the end user. They figure that if they get the suppliers, the "big fish" like PirateBay, that it will cause a hit to piracy in general, but that's not how it works. If they want to destroy piracy, they'd need to take on every single person who does it, because otherwise, someone will get away with it, and do it again. It's like a hydra, they cut off the head, but two smaller heads are waiting just behind it, as two more heads grow from the stump. They'll never stop it, and it would be foolish to try.. they'd waste more money chasing pirates then they'd ever see in returns.. even if they win huge cases against the big fish.. Piracy is a largely non-profit business by its nature (well, it's a 100% profit business if you want to get technical, but there's very little money in it, at least online).. They sue the big companies, win settlements that can never be paid, and waste a lot of money in the process, and get nothing back but some grim satisfaction of a "job well done", as two more hydra heads sprout.

My own personal take on Piracy is pretty much a "no big deal" approach.. I have certain lines that I try not to cross, and I try to be discreet, but I don't think Piracy is as much of a crippling problem as it looks like. The threat of piracy comes from made up numbers and assumptions that may or may not be accurate.
 

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Rutawitz said:
maybe if games werent so fucking expensive. do you think majority of teenagers have money to throw around? i know i dont
besides, these companies are trying to rip us off the same way we rip them off when we pirate
Quoted for truth.

Whether I'll pay for something I downloaded is directly proportionate to how much I like the end product and how much money I have. If I just have a little saved up, just enough to pay...Screw you. I have plenty of other things I could spend it on.
 

Boffc47

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Il copy things till I get a job then Il buy back everything i have copyed just to mainly support the artists.
 

Teirce

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When I pirate stuff, it's more like renting a PC game. You can't rent them, so I make my own way. If it's good then I buy it. If it's bad then I delete it and move on.

I never pirate things that I know will be worth my money like CoD4/6, or generally if they have good multi-player you can't pirate for the MP so I end up buying it.

Also hate stupid-shit DRM they put into games. Do they really think that will stop us? Like, really? Even I could get past that silly crap in less than a day.
 

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Rutawitz said:
maybe if games werent so fucking expensive. do you think majority of teenagers have money to throw around? i know i dont
besides, these companies are trying to rip us off the same way we rip them off when we pirate
You have no clue how much money those companies actually make in profit on each disk do you? It's around $5. They aren't cheating you, they are charging a price that allows them to make a profit, which is the only thing that can justify even entering the market of video games.

Gilbert Munch said:
Because it's illegal. And it is, but so many people do it, why should you be the one chump who has to pay, especially when money is so tight now?
Because the sucker who works for the game company could use money too. Also, just because a lot of people do something illegal doesn't make it alright.
So, Escapists, my question is this: what is your view on my view?
You share the mentality of numerous others, sadly this mentality is dangerous to the industry. If we are to say this is justified, why would anyone buy games anymore(with the exception of the guy who has to provide the original game to seed of course)? Without the probability of profit, game developers would simply bow out. We would have to stick to strictly indie gaming. Of course, the bungies of our world will continue to make games. However, new IP's might as well be out of the question.
Note:No-one on their high horses, saying how it's me who is ruining the world. Unless you have evidence to back up your claim, I will remove your comment from my reality and substitute my own.
So... when someone tells you something that is close to the truth(people with your mentality, not just you) and don't need evidence to do it, you are going to cover your ears and yell

"Nah nah nah nah nah, I can't hear you! Nah nah nah nah nah."


Disclaimer: none of this was meant to be confrontational, simply informative.
 

Beartrucci

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I rarely, rarely pirate games, mostly because I don't play games on my computer except for Dawn of War.

I pirate music and get movies off friends, but will buy them if the album or movie was really good.