The Rise of the "Man-*****"
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I have repeatedly vociferated my averseness to gender roles in other threads and I shall continue to do so here. No really, gender roles can go fuck themselves up the ass with a 20ft pole laced in tobasco sauce and razorwire. So despite exhibit A having an awful dress sense (seriously I've seen way better effeminate/adrogynous clothing; that jacket and those trousers are horrendous), I have no problem with the way anyone dresses, I judge people by the way in which they act and if they're nice enough I'd like to get to know them. 
Besides, I like to rock out my skinny jeans and red converse and I sometimes pose in certain ways which some might think a bit femmy, although I don't know or care if I qualify as a man *****. I'm just content to be me and ignore the labels.
Besides, I like to rock out my skinny jeans and red converse and I sometimes pose in certain ways which some might think a bit femmy, although I don't know or care if I qualify as a man *****. I'm just content to be me and ignore the labels.
The point was to ask what you thought of feminine men. There's no need to be condescending.TheIronRuler said:
Ah, the 'I don't need your approval' arguement. I have heard it many times, and while it does have some truth to it, it tends to be cited by people who are insecure in themselves (thus defeating the entire point behind it).Exterminas said:
No man law dictates that you aren't allowed to wear a coat and can't use bags to carry stuff like groceries and other items but there is a line between the masculine 'pragmatic' use of these items (I use this bag because it's durable and has lots of pockets) and the 'fashionable' use of them (Well I got it in a sale and wouldn't you just look at that interior! On top of that, it is a perfect match with my shoes and my hair).
So wearing a scarf and carrying a bag in itself doesn't make you feminine, but doing so like the guy in the OP does definately does.
The kinks once wrote a good lyric which could be compared to this. (despite them actually being about a transvestite)
"Girls will be boys and boys will be girls, its a mixed up muddled up shook up world,"
"well i'm not the worlds most masculine man, but i know what i am, and i'm glad i'm a man,"
People can dress how they want, it's their choice. however i still think that some of the fassion these days just makes guys look like dickheads.
Refer to the dickhead song on youtube for more information.
"Girls will be boys and boys will be girls, its a mixed up muddled up shook up world,"
"well i'm not the worlds most masculine man, but i know what i am, and i'm glad i'm a man,"
People can dress how they want, it's their choice. however i still think that some of the fassion these days just makes guys look like dickheads.
Refer to the dickhead song on youtube for more information.
Sorry for the double post.
Gender roles (in other words, roles typically assigned to either gender) have been around since the beginning of humanity and as long as men and women are recognisably different from one another (note: and they always will be, sorry to shatter your hopes there) then there will always be gender roles, those roles may change over time but they will always be there in some form.
Gender roles are not inherantly bad, our gender is a huge part of who we are and how we form our identity and how we interact with others. Men can band together and bond over 'man laws' and we all know how women tend to be more open and social and can all 'feel a woman's pain'. We understand what it is to be a man or a woman because of not only our experiences but also what we expect of men and women based on our societies gender roles.
The existance of gender roles isn't a problem, it's only certain dated and no longer relevent ones that cause trouble.
I'll admit that I do have to laugh a little whenever someone says that they 'reject gender roles' (or someting to that effect).OmniscientOstrich said:I have repeatedly vociferated my averseness to gender roles in other threads and I shall continue to do so here. No really, gender roles can go fuck themselves up the ass with a 20ft pole laced in tobasco sauce and razorwire. So despite exhibit A having an awful dress sense (seriously I've seen way better effeminate/adrogynous clothing; that jacket and those trousers are horrendous), I have no problem with the way anyone dresses, I judge people by the way in which they act and if they're nice enough I'd like to get to know them.
Gender roles (in other words, roles typically assigned to either gender) have been around since the beginning of humanity and as long as men and women are recognisably different from one another (note: and they always will be, sorry to shatter your hopes there) then there will always be gender roles, those roles may change over time but they will always be there in some form.
Gender roles are not inherantly bad, our gender is a huge part of who we are and how we form our identity and how we interact with others. Men can band together and bond over 'man laws' and we all know how women tend to be more open and social and can all 'feel a woman's pain'. We understand what it is to be a man or a woman because of not only our experiences but also what we expect of men and women based on our societies gender roles.
The existance of gender roles isn't a problem, it's only certain dated and no longer relevent ones that cause trouble.
It's funny (well... Not really) that when a woman gets in touch with her "masculine side" no one gives a shit, but when it's a man doing that with his "feminine side" it's an aberration. Why? Because the image on "Manliness", Rawr rawr, beer, meat and testosterone is the best.
Screw that! Everyone who thinks that picture is horrible should get over themselves. People do whatever the hell they want, however they want.
Screw that! Everyone who thinks that picture is horrible should get over themselves. People do whatever the hell they want, however they want.
A rise, you say?Colour-Scientist said:This topic sprung from a recent conversation I had with a friend of mine.
He was flicking through a magazine when all of a sudden he comes across a picture which starts a rant about the rise of the so-called man-*****. Apparently, a man-***** is a man who has certain traits or wears a certain style that would be traditionally be considered feminine.
I was quite taken aback by this person's reaction as he's normally relatively open-minded and definitely does not fit the stereotype of a masculine man. He has no problem with boyish/masculine women but the idea of feminine men was appalling to him.
I was wondering what The Escapist thought of men, be they straight/gay/other, embracing their feminine side. Do you think it's a positive step? A passing trend? Or should men aspire to fit the masculine stereotype? Are men who do embrace the trend "pussies" or various other slurs used to attack men with feminine traits or style?
Men: Do you enjoy anything that is normally considered feminine?
Women: Do you find more feminine men attractive?
Read some old books that involve the rich and royalty, there are lots of feminine men there.
Sure, the ordinary people weren't exactly being all that feminine but one of the reasons for it was that was poverty. People were busy trying to stay alive and feed their families to be doing that. Nowadays, everyone can afford to be "feminine" so there's more people who are doing it.
Another reason is that people are way more tolerant these days than they were in the past so those "feminine" men can come out of the closet and stop pretending to be "masculine".
Plus, I know women who are into that so there's one more reason.
I do not consider feminine men attractive (straight woman here), but I do support men's right to dress the way they want, whether it be masculine, feminine or...
NOT ATTRACTIVE. But hey, your life, your trousers, and your ass hanging out.
If I have the glorious right to wear trousers 24/7/365 - oh how I love you trousers! - then sure guys, wear whatever the hell you want. More power to you! =D *GENDER-NEUTRAL FIST*
NOT ATTRACTIVE. But hey, your life, your trousers, and your ass hanging out.
If I have the glorious right to wear trousers 24/7/365 - oh how I love you trousers! - then sure guys, wear whatever the hell you want. More power to you! =D *GENDER-NEUTRAL FIST*
I don't really believe in particular behaviour being for one gender. You can be as feminine or as masculine as you like, regardless of your sex.
I do however hate man-bitches, dandies, metrosexuals, or ponces, whatever you want to call them. They're the same as the female equivalent, the air-head bimbos, bitchy fashionistas. Attention whoring, self absorbed, mentally vacant cunts alla them.
I do however hate man-bitches, dandies, metrosexuals, or ponces, whatever you want to call them. They're the same as the female equivalent, the air-head bimbos, bitchy fashionistas. Attention whoring, self absorbed, mentally vacant cunts alla them.
Look at the picture again.Father Time said:
And then substract whatever you figure to be the average amount of feminity for male runway-models. To a lot of men being a pretty man makes these people already feminine.
Then all that is left are the bag and the scarf.
In addition: It can really be about the clothes, because nobody is able to decide "Hey, I am going to look like that guy on the picture now", people will just be able to wear the clothes.
Personally, I think they look stupid, but I'm no expert on matters regarding fashion. People have every right to think what they want of that (or any) choice of clothing, but I certainly don't think it is in anyway wrong for them to wear it.
They want to look like that? Fine, good for them, so long as they don't expect the rest of the world to think it looks good.
They want to look like that? Fine, good for them, so long as they don't expect the rest of the world to think it looks good.
I like my men to not have their jeans tighter than mine. Tis not fair, especially when they look better in said jeans. And I like my men to please stay out of my makeup and not wear makeup themselves unless they are in a theatre program. Then stage makeup is alright when they have a performance. Personally I like my men to be more of a man than I am. Or at the very least know how to change your own damn flat tire. It has to be embarrassing for a man to have to call his girlfriend to change his tire(and yes that has happened before). Gay men are a different topic altogether, but straight men for the love, Look Like Men. NOT effeminate men. (Oh and I love drag queens they are amazing and another completely separate topic)
Freedom involves diversity, if you want uniformity they still enforce that in Iran and North Korea, and I recommend going there as soon as possible.
I don't view myself as particularly masculine or feminine, I try to stick to being rational and pragmatic, though with the deep voice and conservative fashion sense I guess I lean towards masculine in appearance.
I don't view myself as particularly masculine or feminine, I try to stick to being rational and pragmatic, though with the deep voice and conservative fashion sense I guess I lean towards masculine in appearance.