The school bully's little brother problem. I.E The I'm screwed either way problem

[spartan231490]

Last week I was walking down one of my Highschool's hallways joking with friends when a kid of around twelve barged into me expecting me to be the one to give way but he did and fell onto the ground, the kid defended his honour with "You do that again and I'll smash your fucking face in!" Me and my friends are fifteen so we just laughed at this and carried on wakling. The next day the kid approachs me and asks for a fight me and my friends even the girls laughed at this and slightly goaded him asking him what was he going to do? and pretending sarcasticaly to be scared. To which his friend said "Do you know who his fucking brother is?!" I appeared thoughtful for a moment and replied "Ha, No and unless it's Hitler I don't care." but it turns out his brother was, I feel childish saying this "but hardest in the year" and not in a sexual way. His brother is in my year and is the sort of guy who would beat you to a pulp for looking at you funny. They had a grudge with this other kid that they didn't let go untill he was beaten to a pulp and probably a sign of this families intelligence and forgot about it over the summer break. The worst part is yesterday he came up to me again in front of a friend of mine and infront of a girl who I have a thing going with and started hitting me with a stick while his brother and his gang watch from afar so I grabbed the stick and snapped it and pushed the boy at which point his brother and his 'gang' stood up, so I turned around. The kid than started harrasing me and when I turned around hit me and ran at which point alot of people were watching I tried to laugh it off infront of everyone.

So basicaly first I don't want to hit a kid three years younger than me and If I did his brother and his brother's friends would be on my case. Although I am not the most popular at my school, I have a good thing going for myself but this is starting to rub of badly on my reputation and if you don't have a good reputation at highschool your life can become hell, so escapists what do I do?


EDIT: I would like to outline two points just ignoring it and hoping it dies down is a option it does very bad things to my reputation in the mean time also I could probably take the older boy but he isn't someone you want to mess with he holds grudes to the extent him and his friends have assulted a guy from behind before while he wasn't looking and basicaly took turns to beat him to a pulp.

Also this kid despite his brothers reputation is not well known around school so If people heard I beat up a kid alot younger than me they will see him as the victim because they don't know how much of a douche he is.

don't touch the younger brother, you'll just look like an idiot. My suggestion: verbally destroy the younger kid every time he comes at you, he sounds like an idiot so it shouldn't be hard. Don't start anything with the older brother, but if he comes after you, kick his ass so hard he'll hopefully be afraid of you. In other words, defend yourself with appropriate force. and a side note, the older brother sounds like a piece of work, so fight dirty. It might sound bad, but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is who won and who lost. If he comes after you, kick him in the nuts, break his nose, do whatever you have to do. On that note, punching someone in the solar plexus is a very good option cuz it hurts like hell but doesn't leave much physical damage.

 

[spartan231490]

...me and my friends are fifteen...
...just ignoring it and hoping it dies down is a option it does very bad things to my reputation...

You're 15 "reputation" is a figment of your imagination. What people think of you in High school doesn't matter.

Do you really believe this? Of course reputation and what people think of you in High school matters. It doesn't matter once you're out of high school, but it matters a lot while you are. If you didn't experience it, trust me, life in high school sucks like you wouldn't believe if people think they can walk all over you.

 

[Phoenix09215]

If I was you then I would walk up to the smaller kid while others are watching and openly apologise to him. That way, if the kid doesn't except your apology he will look like the douche, and even if that fails you can always do the same with his brother. And, if worse comes to worse, just fight back if the brohter does do something because as long as you don't initiate the fight you will come out looking like the bigger man.

 

[duchaked]

feel like I've gotten MORE confrontational and conflictual with age than the other way around heh...
but the right thing to say as an adult to a kid would be to NOT get in a fight
altho admittedly sometimes beating someone up DOES kinda fix the problem...unless you get beat up
then...well do the Tyler Durden thing when getting beaten to pulp (never lose)

 

[Keshie]

Here's my advice by way of a true story.

There was a guy in my school who was big and very tough. He played rugby and was the sort of guy who could laugh off losing teeth. He was a nice guy.
His kid brother, though, was a psychopath.

Kid brother used to like waiting with his crew outside pubs near closing time and beat up any "hippies" or "gays" coming out drunk. Mostly it was to rob them but they obviously liked doing it too much because it got the stage where nearly everyone we knew had a friend who'd been attacked by him. When we heard about this, my first thought was 'let's sort him out'. Not: "I hope someone else sorts him out" or, "Let's tell a grown up". Us. We were going to fix his personality problem.

However, there was his older brother. We didn't want to get on his bad side because he could kill us and anyway, we liked the guy. So we let it slide.
A month later kid brother pounded a teenage girl in the face and sometime after that, he mugged a middle-aged man and split his skull open with a piece of brick. The victim had permanent brain damage.


Kid brother needs to be stopped before he gets the notion that being a wanker is a viable career option and whatever way you deal with this problem, you should deal with him first. Going around him to his brother or an authority figure won't convince him you mean business. Even if you come out worst (in whatever way it goes down) you really ought to deal with HIM.
Directly.

 

[The Funslinger]

personally, I'd just treat the younger brother like a five year old until his head explodes from aggravation, then if he goes ballistic on you, you're kind of justified to quickly end it. If his brother gets involved, just deal with whatever happens, giving it your best effort. Ultimately, people will respect you for that.

 

[hazabaza1]

Stop thinking so much about your rep and geez, I dunno, apologize? Let it die down? Avoid them?

 

[Someone Depressing]

- And that's why school suck's.
This used to happen to me all the time at primary school (Yep, I'm British). Some arrogant dip-shit start's acting hard and tries to call a fight, I laugh at him for even trying to take on someone 'bout 4 year's older than him and in the senior dorm, he get's his stupid twatty wall brother to try to sort out the 'Problem' and it end's in me being in a dillema sitting in my room waiting for my stupid brain to think of something to do.

Agh! I hated that day! Just tell a supervisor, ain't much is gonna happen if you pick a fight back.
Tell his adult supervision or his teacher.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

SNIP

Go up to the older kid and say this.

"Im sick of your kid brother. Hes not your property, hell you probably think this is freakin funny. But hes going to stop. Or I swear to god Im going to make him regret it. I know youll want revenge. I know youll want to get me back. So you know what i would do? I would make it worth it. I only get one go at him before you get me and im going to make it fucking count. Im going to make it so worthwhile you can HAVE me after im done. Im going to RUIN him. Its going to make ANYTHING you could do to me seem pathetic. So let him keep doing it. I dare you. Hitting me isnt going to make his 20 mins of pain any easier on him. Nothing is. Its going to be hell. My last act before you come and make mine hell. What do i have to lose? Nothing. I can just go to TOWN on this kid. And nothing you can threaten me with can stop me. Let him know about this."

 

[gundargundar]

Seriously, don't fight. Violence only brings more violence, and if you're the kind of person who thinks people will only respect you if you can beat the shit out of someone, than sorry. Know how to defend yourself, tell the little kid to fuck off, and just ignore his shit.

 

[Cheesus333]

It might hurt your reputation, guy, but I think the best solution is a peaceful one. Winning a fight ends conflict, but a silver tongue can stop it before it begins, and that's the ideal you should be going for. If you're a charmer, then that's all the better, and if not then ignoring him would be the simplest solution. Let's face it, big brother character is not gonna get up in your shit for doing nothing, right? AND if his scrappy little dickhead of a sibling isn't doing any actual damage to you, then you can easily ignore him. Chavs (for I assume you're dealing with one) bore easily. If you're not worth their time, then they're not a problem.

BUT if you happen to be dealing with a brutish, primative pair of creatures then you may have to fight: it's not fair and it's not right, but it's what will happen. Just make sure you have the edge. I don't mean start packing heat, just keep yourself trained up in your hand-to-hand style of choice, travel with friends when possible, probably alert the authorities if they threaten you with grievous bodily harm.

I hope it doesn't come to that. Good luck, sir.

 

[Holy_Handgrenade]

Well, try to talk your way out of it first. You say that this kid isn't the smartest, so maybe you'll be able to say something/throw something shiny at him to distract him. But I don't advise you to cower, that just makes bully's hard. I wouldn't suggest you try to take this guy if he really is that tough. Know your limits.

Primarily though, keep your head down and try to avoid him until it blows over. Hopefully he'll see some pretty colours and run after them.

Your comment aligns most with what I'm going to do out of all the comments so far. I'm laying low and waiting from them to find something else that amuses them both.

 

[Nova Helix]

...me and my friends are fifteen...
...just ignoring it and hoping it dies down is a option it does very bad things to my reputation...

You're 15 "reputation" is a figment of your imagination. What people think of you in High school doesn't matter.

Do you really believe this? Of course reputation and what people think of you in High school matters. It doesn't matter once you're out of high school, but it matters a lot while you are. If you didn't experience it, trust me, life in high school sucks like you wouldn't believe if people think they can walk all over you.

Others opinions of you only matter if you decide it matters. If you make the decision to care if those people think you're "cool" or a "tough guy" then that is your choice, but in a year or two those people you went out of your way to impress are gone and you have nothing despite all your efforts.

If he gets in a fight to prove he is cool or a tough guy his life could be ruined forever for momentary approval of people that are not really important to him. A perfect example is a few years ago a high school kid got in a fight (like this situation) and the other boy fell hitting his head on a table. The kid is now in prison for murder because he had to defend his reputation.

Like I said before people who are actually his friends won't care that he didn't get in a fight, and those who think less of him because he took the high road are not worth his concern.

 

[Nova Helix]

Others opinions of you only matter if you decide it matters. If you make the decision to care if those people think you're "cool" or a "tough guy" then that is your choice, but in a year or two those people you went out of your way to impress are gone and you have nothing despite all your efforts.

To an extent that is true but to a further extent is bullshit.
What you think of you matters most but personally Im not gonna bow to a punkass kid.

So you would sacrifice your own well being over someone you think little of and consider a "punkass"? That is nonsensical. Why not just ignore the kid or take a nonviolent route?