The short-lived DC Cinematic Universe may be done

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

After he danced in front of the villain right after Groots death, Star Lord lost all sympathy from me.

Obviously he should have just been sad, then died. I mean, how dare he gleefully dance, celebrating the death of his teammate! Not a care in the world! Oh? What? He danced for like 30 seconds to buy time for others to act? Oh. Still. Should have been sad, then died.

Like most things you say in this topic, its a total misrepresentation intended to let you hate Marvel, without having to put much thought into it.

Which is really really dumb. Many people on these forums find the MCU a bit cliche, stale, boring, silly, etc etc etc etc. They find plenty of solid ground to convey this without blatantly misrepresenting the films though.

He can distract him to buy time sure, but did he had to fucking dance like Michael Jackson? I mean remember Neville's Speech to Voldemort in Deathly Hallows?

And this is what people wants in Superhero movies. Corny humor, self-aware athmosphere, and not take itself too seriously becuase "Their superheroes dude, stories that were made for children"

I will never get a Kingdom Come style story in theater if this direction for Superheroes continues. And YES I know the point of that comic book was meant as a criticism against Superheroes being edgy in the dark age 90s/early 2000s, but it was a story that I could take seriously, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman in that comic were characters I can take seriously and they treated their situation seriously. Even the humor in that comic was done subtly and did not come off as corny, it was humor that did got a laugh out of me.

I remember that the stakes were entirely different. That a speech worked because the bad guys had won and taken everyone prisoner. That, for the most part, the killing was over. Comparing a calm rounding up of the defeated like the finale of deathly hallows, to the active battle in GotG, where he's moments from killing everyone just shows that you continue to not remotely understand why your points are bad. He dances because its jarring. It's stupid. It's out of place. The Accuser stops and goes '.....What?' because of how odd it is. Why would he stop because they approached him with dialogue? It's been a while since I've seen GotG, but had they not already tried their shot at talking him down before that?

My recollection was that once Ronan got his mits on the Power Stone and jammed it in his hammer, he was confident enough to blow off Thanos and just go upon his merry to destroy Xandar. By that point, negotiating was just wasting soon to be precious oxygen.

As for the comparison to Kingdom Come; that comic starred a Superman, a Batman and a Wonder Woman who had well and truly been through the fucking wars and the had all the hindsight and perspective thusly. Star Lord and his merry band, bar Gamora are, frankly, a bunch of mercenary fuckspods to whom maturity of an alien concept. Why the fuck wouldn't the emotionally stunted Han Solo fanboy with a love of classic rock songs try what he tried?

I did not directly compared GOTG to Kingdom Come. I mean just the overall direction of Superhero movies in general now.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Honestly what is there for me to watch in the theater now since I think new movies these days just suck? Hardly anything comes out of the theater that appeals to me anymore. Honestly I have not seen a recent movie in theaters that makes me want to watch it again when its on DVD or clips of it on Youtube.

The only things I am looking forward to at the moment are in the TV scene with Castlevania Season 2 and Game of Thrones Season 8 (which is gonna be a train wreck and cause an outrage like how it happened to Mass Effect 3)

And the ONLY movie that I am looking forward to at all is Martin Scorsese's The Irishman that's coming to Netflix, and Scorsese has not failed yet with gangster/crime movies.

 

[Zontar]

You know I think it's hilarious that Marvel and DC are both making their respective Captain Marvel movies come out within a month of each other, and somehow it's DC's that looks like it'll be a fun 2 hour ride while Marvel's is the one that looks like it's going to be a train wreck. An odd reversal if you ask me.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

I will never get a Kingdom Come style story in theater if this direction for Superheroes continues. And YES I know the point of that comic book was meant as a criticism against Superheroes being edgy in the dark age 90s/early 2000s, but it was a story that I could take seriously, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman in that comic were characters I can take seriously and they treated their situation seriously. Even the humor in that comic was done subtly and did not come off as corny, it was humor that did got a laugh out of me.

I remember Kingdom Come ending with the Spectre, the Wrath of God himself, complaining about the menu option thats been named after him in the superhero themed restaurant the epilogue takes place in. How different would you say that is from, say, the shawarma bit at the end of Avengers?

Kingdom Come, or something like it, would always have required time and a build up of a characters to reach. You cannot have a deconstruction if you haven't actually yet constructed anything in the first place. DC is in no place to make such a film, though maybe Marvel with its 10 years of gathering continuity could attempt it. A few of their more recent films have leaned a bit in that direction; Ragnarok sees what happens if you strip everything away from Thor, Infinity War has the heroes do everything right...but lose anyway, because sometimes shit happens.

Although I do find slightly ironic that you like both Kingdom Come and yet also like Dawn of Justice...exactly the sort of "mature" story Kingdom Come was lambasting

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I will never get a Kingdom Come style story in theater if this direction for Superheroes continues. And YES I know the point of that comic book was meant as a criticism against Superheroes being edgy in the dark age 90s/early 2000s, but it was a story that I could take seriously, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman in that comic were characters I can take seriously and they treated their situation seriously. Even the humor in that comic was done subtly and did not come off as corny, it was humor that did got a laugh out of me.

I remember Kingdom Come ending with the Spectre, the Wrath of God himself, complaining about the menu option thats been named after him in the superhero themed restaurant the epilogue takes place in. How different would you say that is from, say, the shawarma bit at the end of Avengers?

Kingdom Come, or something like it, would always have required time and a build up of a characters to reach. You cannot have a deconstruction if you haven't actually yet constructed anything in the first place. DC is in no place to make such a film, though maybe Marvel with its 10 years of gathering continuity could attempt it. A few of their more recent films have leaned a bit in that direction; Ragnarok sees what happens if you strip everything away from Thor, Infinity War has the heroes do everything right...but lose anyway, because sometimes shit happens.

Although I do find slightly ironic that you like both Kingdom Come and yet also like Dawn of Justice...exactly the sort of "mature" story Kingdom Come was lambasting

Because as I have said MANY, MANY, MANY times in this forum, I truly, honestly believe that I don't think Dawn of Justice or any DC movie as of now are no where near as bad as everyone overrates them to be.

Once again I explained that I have seen worse from comic books themselves and I get no agreement in my thinking.

 

[Zontar]

You know I think it's hilarious that Marvel and DC are both making their respective Captain Marvel movies come out within a month of each other, and somehow it's DC's that looks like it'll be a fun 2 hour ride while Marvel's is the one that looks like it's going to be a train wreck. An odd reversal if you ask me.

How does Marvel's look like its going to be a trainwreck? There hasn't even been a trailer yet

News about production, images from the set, proportional images, and the fact we're this close to release without even a teaser.

 

[09philj]

You know I think it's hilarious that Marvel and DC are both making their respective Captain Marvel movies come out within a month of each other, and somehow it's DC's that looks like it'll be a fun 2 hour ride while Marvel's is the one that looks like it's going to be a train wreck. An odd reversal if you ask me.

How does Marvel's look like its going to be a trainwreck? There hasn't even been a trailer yet

News about production, images from the set, proportional images, and the fact we're this close to release without even a teaser.

I thought you'd like Captain Marvel, what with her being a fascist and all.

 

[Elijin]

You know I think it's hilarious that Marvel and DC are both making their respective Captain Marvel movies come out within a month of each other, and somehow it's DC's that looks like it'll be a fun 2 hour ride while Marvel's is the one that looks like it's going to be a train wreck. An odd reversal if you ask me.

How does Marvel's look like its going to be a trainwreck? There hasn't even been a trailer yet

News about production, images from the set, proportional images, and the fact we're this close to release without even a teaser.

Just a quick quote in case you try to edit this later, since we got the teaser trailer last week.

 

[Zontar]

I thought you'd like Captain Marvel, what with her being a fascist and all.

She's only a fascist in the iteration that literally no one likes and everyone who isn't working for Marvel openly hates, but then that's also true of the horrendous costume she's wearing for the movie.

Just a quick quote in case you try to edit this later, since we got the teaser trailer last week.

I can't believe it, for the first time in the history of Marvel Studios they released a teaster trailer and it wasn't plastered all over social media? That does not bode well for the movie.

Everything you listed applies to Shazam as well. From troubled lengthy production (remember when the rock was confirmed to play black adam like 4 years ago?) promotional images, a really obvious padded muscle suit for the main lead, and the fact they released a main trailer almost a year before the movie will come out and will probably badger us with 36 more trailer cuts before the movie proper ensuring that we'll be tired of it before we even see it

I'm not saying things look great from a production perspective for Shazam, I'm just pointing out that Marvel and DC seem to have switched places, what with Shazam looking like a fun 2 hour action comedy, while Captain Marvel has so little hype that social media didn't even notice Marvel releasing a teaser trailer.

 

[Hawki]

Okay, I can't be arsed to quote, but few things:

-Source on the production issues.

-Source on the trailer (there's a number of "teaser trailers" on YouTube, but they're all fake)

-Holy bum nuggets, Captain Marvel releases one month before Shazam. Which means...

Showdown! Rivalry! Fan wars! Blood in the streets!

(Actually, I kinda want it to flop now, because it would be downright hilarious given the character name issues and the DCEU having constantly been eclipsed by the MCU up to this point.)

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Well that was quite the 180 for the Titans TV show:


AND WHY IS JASON TODD SO NICE HERE?!

 

[Hawki]

I'm not saying things look great from a production perspective for Shazam, I'm just pointing out that Marvel and DC seem to have switched places, what with Shazam looking like a fun 2 hour action comedy, while Captain Marvel has so little hype that social media didn't even notice Marvel releasing a teaser trailer.

You didn't notice a teaser trailer. The three million people that watched the teaser trailer did.

Can you link?

 

[Zontar]

(Actually, I kinda want it to flop now, because it would be downright hilarious given the character name issues and the DCEU having constantly been eclipsed by the MCU up to this point.)

Given how little marketing it's getting compared to literally every other Marvel movie, and the fact it has a lower budget then any series they've ever made, I don't even think Marvel has hope for it at this point.

I'm not saying things look great from a production perspective for Shazam, I'm just pointing out that Marvel and DC seem to have switched places, what with Shazam looking like a fun 2 hour action comedy, while Captain Marvel has so little hype that social media didn't even notice Marvel releasing a teaser trailer.

You didn't notice a teaser trailer. The three million people that watched the teaser trailer did.

3 million views in a week, that's it? That'd be considered bad for the first day for any other Marvel movie. Even some cartoons have better teasers then that.

 

[Hawki]

https://screenrant.com/captain-marvel-trailer-release-date/

The trailer's speculated to release on Sep 18.

So, no, there hasn't been a trailer released yet.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

You know I think it's hilarious that Marvel and DC are both making their respective Captain Marvel movies come out within a month of each other, and somehow it's DC's that looks like it'll be a fun 2 hour ride while Marvel's is the one that looks like it's going to be a train wreck. An odd reversal if you ask me.

How does Marvel's look like its going to be a trainwreck? There hasn't even been a trailer yet

News about production, images from the set, proportional images, and the fact we're this close to release without even a teaser.

Everything you listed applies to Shazam as well. From troubled lengthy production (remember when the rock was confirmed to play black adam like 4 years ago?) promotional images, a really obvious padded muscle suit for the main lead, and the fact they released a main trailer almost a year before the movie will come out and will probably badger us with 36 more trailer cuts before the movie proper ensuring that we'll be tired of it before we even see it

Black Adam was actually never confirmed for the Shazam movie. They're giving Black Adam his own solo movie.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

You know I think it's hilarious that Marvel and DC are both making their respective Captain Marvel movies come out within a month of each other, and somehow it's DC's that looks like it'll be a fun 2 hour ride while Marvel's is the one that looks like it's going to be a train wreck. An odd reversal if you ask me.

How does Marvel's look like its going to be a trainwreck? There hasn't even been a trailer yet

News about production, images from the set, proportional images, and the fact we're this close to release without even a teaser.

Everything you listed applies to Shazam as well. From troubled lengthy production (remember when the rock was confirmed to play black adam like 4 years ago?) promotional images, a really obvious padded muscle suit for the main lead, and the fact they released a main trailer almost a year before the movie will come out and will probably badger us with 36 more trailer cuts before the movie proper ensuring that we'll be tired of it before we even see it

Black Adam was actually never confirmed for the Shazam movie. They're giving Black Adam his own solo movie.

Is Dwayne Johnson still chosen for the role of Black Adam?

 

[Zontar]

You know I think it's hilarious that Marvel and DC are both making their respective Captain Marvel movies come out within a month of each other, and somehow it's DC's that looks like it'll be a fun 2 hour ride while Marvel's is the one that looks like it's going to be a train wreck. An odd reversal if you ask me.

How does Marvel's look like its going to be a trainwreck? There hasn't even been a trailer yet

News about production, images from the set, proportional images, and the fact we're this close to release without even a teaser.

Everything you listed applies to Shazam as well. From troubled lengthy production (remember when the rock was confirmed to play black adam like 4 years ago?) promotional images, a really obvious padded muscle suit for the main lead, and the fact they released a main trailer almost a year before the movie will come out and will probably badger us with 36 more trailer cuts before the movie proper ensuring that we'll be tired of it before we even see it

Black Adam was actually never confirmed for the Shazam movie. They're giving Black Adam his own solo movie.

Is Dwayne Johnson still chosen for the role of Black Adam?

As far as I know he is