The short-lived DC Cinematic Universe may be done

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Samtemdo, dark and gritty doesn't equal mature. When will you realize that? The DCEU feels like it was created by a 14 year old scene kid who exclusively shops at Hot Topic.

Do you always appear in the forums just to talk to me about Superheroes? Where were you when I was discussing world history?

 

[Kenbo Slice]

Samtemdo, dark and gritty doesn't equal mature. When will you realize that? The DCEU feels like it was created by a 14 year old scene kid who exclusively shops at Hot Topic.

Do you always appear in the forums just to talk to me about Superheroes? Where were you when I was discussing world history?

History is not one of my hobbies. I like comics and literature. But seeing as that was your only response and you couldn't come up with a decent counterargument I see no point in engaging you any further.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Samtemdo, dark and gritty doesn't equal mature. When will you realize that? The DCEU feels like it was created by a 14 year old scene kid who exclusively shops at Hot Topic.

Do you always appear in the forums just to talk to me about Superheroes? Where were you when I was discussing world history?

History is not one of my hobbies. I like comics and literature. But seeing as that was your only response and you couldn't come up with a decent counterargument I see no point in engaging you any further.

In regards to your response. I just want moments like this in my Superhero movies:


I actually felt something with Zod in that very scene with him among the ashes. And I don't care how illogical his story in the movie actually was. That one scene got me more then any Superhero movie yet.

If this was in Marvel, Superman would be dancing in front of Zod to mock him saying "IN YO FACE ZODDY BOY!"

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

IMO they didn't show enough as I said.

Heck they should have shown Killmonger's childhood and teen years on the streets full on Boyz in the Hood style. Show me the struggles the black community went through in South Central LA. Show me the suffering of black slavery, show me the death of Martin Luther King Jr.

Nope we are only told about it.

Okay, but why? What would seeing Killmonger grow up actually add to his character that we don't determine already? How would they fight that in? Why would they need to flash back to the slave trade when its pretty unanimously known to be a bad thing? You seem to be applying extra rules to discount something that disproves your argument, and worse still you don't seem to be applying it evenly. If Black Panther doesn't count as mature for not showing us, in detail, the hard life its antagonist Killmonger had growing up, then why does Dawn of Justice still count when it doesn't show the hard life its deuteragonist Batman had growing up?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

IMO they didn't show enough as I said.

Heck they should have shown Killmonger's childhood and teen years on the streets full on Boyz in the Hood style. Show me the struggles the black community went through in South Central LA. Show me the suffering of black slavery, show me the death of Martin Luther King Jr.

Nope we are only told about it.

Okay, but why? What would seeing Killmonger grow up actually add to his character that we don't determine already? How would they fight that in? Why would they need to flash back to the slave trade when its pretty unanimously known to be a bad thing? You seem to be applying extra rules to discount something that disproves your argument, and worse still you don't seem to be applying it evenly. If Black Panther doesn't count as mature for not showing us, in detail, the hard life its antagonist Killmonger had growing up, then why does Dawn of Justice still count when it doesn't show the hard life its deuteragonist Batman had growing up?

Uh...they did by showing his parents die right in front of his eyes in the very first scene of the movie? And following that they showcased other things of his past life through visual implications like the Robin suit with Joker's writing.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

Samtemdo, dark and gritty doesn't equal mature. When will you realize that? The DCEU feels like it was created by a 14 year old scene kid who exclusively shops at Hot Topic.

Do you always appear in the forums just to talk to me about Superheroes? Where were you when I was discussing world history?

History is not one of my hobbies. I like comics and literature. But seeing as that was your only response and you couldn't come up with a decent counterargument I see no point in engaging you any further.

In regards to your response. I just want moments like this in my Superhero movies:


I actually felt something with Zod in that very scene with him among the ashes. And I don't care how illogical his story in the movie actually was. That one scene got me more then any Superhero movie yet.

If this was in Marvel, Superman would be dancing in front of Zod to mock him saying "IN YO FACE ZODDY BOY!"

Marvel characters don't do that, I don't think you've actually seen a Marvel film, let alone read an actual comic book.

Thanks for reminding me how sloppy MoS looks. Damn, that movie is a visual eyesore.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Samtemdo, dark and gritty doesn't equal mature. When will you realize that? The DCEU feels like it was created by a 14 year old scene kid who exclusively shops at Hot Topic.

Do you always appear in the forums just to talk to me about Superheroes? Where were you when I was discussing world history?

History is not one of my hobbies. I like comics and literature. But seeing as that was your only response and you couldn't come up with a decent counterargument I see no point in engaging you any further.

In regards to your response. I just want moments like this in my Superhero movies:


I actually felt something with Zod in that very scene with him among the ashes. And I don't care how illogical his story in the movie actually was. That one scene got me more then any Superhero movie yet.

If this was in Marvel, Superman would be dancing in front of Zod to mock him saying "IN YO FACE ZODDY BOY!"

Marvel characters don't do that, I don't think you've actually seen a Marvel film, let alone read an actual comic book.

Thanks for reminding me how sloppy MoS looks. Damn, that movie is a visual eyesore.

Never read Marvel comic books no. But read plenty of DC ones.

And I have only watched up to Age of Ultron because that movie turned me away from Marvel movies utterly after seeing it. Never watched Civil War, Never watched Ant Man, never watched Thor Ragnarok.

Only the 3 Iron Mans, Avengers 1, first 2 Captain Americas, 2008 Hulk, and Guardians of the Galaxy 1, never seen any Thor Movie.

Only saw Black Panther to see what all the hullbaloo was about because that movie broke Avatar's Box Office Record.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

IMO they didn't show enough as I said.

Heck they should have shown Killmonger's childhood and teen years on the streets full on Boyz in the Hood style. Show me the struggles the black community went through in South Central LA. Show me the suffering of black slavery, show me the death of Martin Luther King Jr.

Nope we are only told about it.

Okay, but why? What would seeing Killmonger grow up actually add to his character that we don't determine already? How would they fight that in? Why would they need to flash back to the slave trade when its pretty unanimously known to be a bad thing? You seem to be applying extra rules to discount something that disproves your argument, and worse still you don't seem to be applying it evenly. If Black Panther doesn't count as mature for not showing us, in detail, the hard life its antagonist Killmonger had growing up, then why does Dawn of Justice still count when it doesn't show the hard life its deuteragonist Batman had growing up?

Uh...they did by showing his parents die right in front of his eyes in the very first scene of the movie? And following that they showcased other things of his past life through visual implications like the Robin suit with Joker's writing.

What's the difference between the scene where Batman watches his parents die and the scene where Killmonger finds the corpse of his dad? What's the difference between showcasing Batman's history rather than detailing it exactly and showcasing Killmonger's history rather than detailing it exactly? You're applying double standards here, which only undermines you

 

[Kenbo Slice]

Samtemdo, dark and gritty doesn't equal mature. When will you realize that? The DCEU feels like it was created by a 14 year old scene kid who exclusively shops at Hot Topic.

Do you always appear in the forums just to talk to me about Superheroes? Where were you when I was discussing world history?

History is not one of my hobbies. I like comics and literature. But seeing as that was your only response and you couldn't come up with a decent counterargument I see no point in engaging you any further.

In regards to your response. I just want moments like this in my Superhero movies:


I actually felt something with Zod in that very scene with him among the ashes. And I don't care how illogical his story in the movie actually was. That one scene got me more then any Superhero movie yet.

If this was in Marvel, Superman would be dancing in front of Zod to mock him saying "IN YO FACE ZODDY BOY!"

Marvel characters don't do that, I don't think you've actually seen a Marvel film, let alone read an actual comic book.

Thanks for reminding me how sloppy MoS looks. Damn, that movie is a visual eyesore.

Never read Marvel comic books no. But read plenty of DC ones.

And I have only watched up to Age of Ultron because that movie turned me away from Marvel movies utterly after seeing it. Never watched Civil War, Never watched Ant Man, never watched Thor Ragnarok.

Only the 3 Iron Mans, Avengers 1, first 2 Captain Americas, 2008 Hulk, and Guardians of the Galaxy 1, never seen any Thor Movie.

Wow and in NONE of those movie no character does anything close to what you describe. I also suggest you read some classic Marvel stuff, because you just seem to hate Marvel because their films are more successful because nobody over the age of 17 likes grimdark, super mature, it's not a phase mom it's who I really am version of superheroes.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

IMO they didn't show enough as I said.

Heck they should have shown Killmonger's childhood and teen years on the streets full on Boyz in the Hood style. Show me the struggles the black community went through in South Central LA. Show me the suffering of black slavery, show me the death of Martin Luther King Jr.

Nope we are only told about it.

Okay, but why? What would seeing Killmonger grow up actually add to his character that we don't determine already? How would they fight that in? Why would they need to flash back to the slave trade when its pretty unanimously known to be a bad thing? You seem to be applying extra rules to discount something that disproves your argument, and worse still you don't seem to be applying it evenly. If Black Panther doesn't count as mature for not showing us, in detail, the hard life its antagonist Killmonger had growing up, then why does Dawn of Justice still count when it doesn't show the hard life its deuteragonist Batman had growing up?

Uh...they did by showing his parents die right in front of his eyes in the very first scene of the movie? And following that they showcased other things of his past life through visual implications like the Robin suit with Joker's writing.

What's the difference between the scene where Batman watches his parents die and the scene where Killmonger finds the corpse of his dad? What's the difference between showcasing Batman's history rather than detailing it exactly and showcasing Killmonger's history rather than detailing it exactly? You're applying double standards here, which only undermines you

The why does one succeed in being considered the best Marvel villain character ever next to Thanos while the other is considered the worse character take on Batman ever.

And both Killmonger and Batfleck are not completely like their original comic book counterparts either.

But in the end let me remind you I am just a depressed DC fanboy that is mad that Snyder, Cavill, and Batfleck are gone and are gonna be replaced by directors and actors that are just gonna follow Marvel's example to the T or just follow the Richard Donner example, and Superhero movies are all just gonna be the same damn thing.

Worse if somehow Disney buys DC.

As I said, I am just gonna be sticking to reading Fantasy literature. I now relate more to gallent knights/paladins, woodland rangers, wise wizards, and dark lords.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Samtemdo, dark and gritty doesn't equal mature. When will you realize that? The DCEU feels like it was created by a 14 year old scene kid who exclusively shops at Hot Topic.

Do you always appear in the forums just to talk to me about Superheroes? Where were you when I was discussing world history?

History is not one of my hobbies. I like comics and literature. But seeing as that was your only response and you couldn't come up with a decent counterargument I see no point in engaging you any further.

In regards to your response. I just want moments like this in my Superhero movies:


I actually felt something with Zod in that very scene with him among the ashes. And I don't care how illogical his story in the movie actually was. That one scene got me more then any Superhero movie yet.

If this was in Marvel, Superman would be dancing in front of Zod to mock him saying "IN YO FACE ZODDY BOY!"

Marvel characters don't do that, I don't think you've actually seen a Marvel film, let alone read an actual comic book.

Thanks for reminding me how sloppy MoS looks. Damn, that movie is a visual eyesore.

Never read Marvel comic books no. But read plenty of DC ones.

And I have only watched up to Age of Ultron because that movie turned me away from Marvel movies utterly after seeing it. Never watched Civil War, Never watched Ant Man, never watched Thor Ragnarok.

Only the 3 Iron Mans, Avengers 1, first 2 Captain Americas, 2008 Hulk, and Guardians of the Galaxy 1, never seen any Thor Movie.

Wow and in NONE of those movie no character does anything close to what you describe. I also suggest you read some classic Marvel stuff, because you just seem to hate Marvel because their films are more successful because nobody over the age of 17 likes grimdark, super mature, it's not a phase mom it's who I really am version of superheroes.

I prefer reading the actual comic books anyway. I do admit none of these movies are as interesting as what Comic Books themselves have done.

And mind you for reasons that will take awhile to explain I only have this stance when it comes to Comic Book heroes. I am not like this for every other thing.

I mean I still enjoy Super Mario games.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

The why does one succeed in being considered the best Marvel villain character ever next to Thanos while the other is considered the worse character take on Batman ever.

And both Killmonger and Batfleck are not completely like their original comic book counterparts either.

But in the end let me remind you I am just a depressed DC fanboy that is mad that Snyder, Cavill, and Batfleck are gone and are gonna be replaced by directors that are just gonna follow Marvel's example to the T, and Superhero movies are all just gonna be the same damn thing.

Worse if somehow Disney buys DC.

As I said, I am just gonna be sticking to reading Fantasy literature. I now relate more to gallent knights/paladins, woodland rangers, wise wizards, and dark lords.

Killmonger is considered a good villain because he actually has a point. He's not just being selfish, he doesn't just want some cliche like money or world domination, he wants to overturn the system that he believes is enabling suffering around the globe. His methods are seriously questionable, both morally and logically, but its not hard to see his point of view. T'Challa even ends up agreeing with him, more or less, and takes his own steps to change that system. You know we had that topic about what makes a deep character? This is the sort of thing that would count.

Batman is a slightly more mixed case, as it wasn't the portrayal people disliked so much as elements of the writing. An older, weary and tortured Batman? Great idea! Worked well in Dark Knight Returns, worked well in Batman Beyond. Only the Batman we ended up getting was less world weary and more...just kind of a psychopath. He blows people up, shoots them, cracks skulls open against walls...and thats not really Batman, is it? Thats the Punisher. And its even more galling in Dawn of Justice because "He causes so many collateral deaths" is Batman's entire argument against Superman. Meaning he's a hypocrite as well. Its not deep, its just messy

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Good riddance, it sucked. And any film attached to the universe inherently becomes worse. Even Wonder Woman taking place 100 years earlier still is affected by the black hole that is BvS.

Using Guardians of the Galaxy as a point of defence?, the same movies that shows me this right after Groot's death:


There is no deeper meaning. Its all just popcorn entertainment.

There is completely nothing mature about Guardians...

 

[twistedmic]

And its even more galling in Dawn of Justice because "He causes so many collateral deaths" is Batman's entire argument against Superman. Meaning he's a hypocrite as well. Its not deep, its just messy

To be fair, when Batman killed and crippled people during BvS it was in connection to Superman. Like when he was trying to steal the Kryptonite before it reached LexCorp, when he raided LexCorp and when he was rescuing Martha Wayne. And throughout the movie Batman was shown to be unstable when it came to Superman. And of course he killed people during the Knightmare/bad future when there would be no prisons and all justice would be Fallout/Mad Max-style justice.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

And its even more galling in Dawn of Justice because "He causes so many collateral deaths" is Batman's entire argument against Superman. Meaning he's a hypocrite as well. Its not deep, its just messy

To be fair, when Batman killed and crippled people during BvS it was in connection to Superman. Like when he was trying to steal the Kryptonite before it reached LexCorp, when he raided LexCorp and when he was rescuing Martha Wayne. And throughout the movie Batman was shown to be unstable when it came to Superman. And of course he killed people during the Knightmare/bad future when there would be no prisons and all justice would be Fallout/Mad Max-style justice.

Alright, lets think it through logically. You want a Batman who's meaner, who's just straight up killing people because he's getting to old and tired to be able to pull off clever stunts and precision moves like he used to. Absolutely could work. Sets him up as an idealogical contrast to the more fresh faced and optimistic Superman. Explains why the two have beef, because Superman has legitimate concerns over Batman's methods. Yeah, sounds like a great set up. The problems? For a start this Superman isn't particularly fresh faced, in fact he's almost as gloomy as Batman is so they come across less as a contrast and more as two jerks having a dick swinging contest. But the biggest issue is that Batman doesn't actually learn anything from the end of it. He spares Superman after being able to humanise him at last, recognising that he's basically become the bad guy in the scenario, no different than the guy that gunned down his own parents...and then goes on to save Martha Kent by indiscriminately murdering his way through any mook that tries to stop him. Which means that his psychotic tendencies weren't a thematically appropriate fall down the slippery slope that has been corrected, its just...what this Batman does. He just kills people because Zach Snyder thought it would be cool for him to kill people. And that is a misunderstanding of both Batman and of what makes something mature

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Good riddance, it sucked. And any film attached to the universe inherently becomes worse. Even Wonder Woman taking place 100 years earlier still is affected by the black hole that is BvS.

Using Guardians of the Galaxy as a point of defence?, the same movies that shows me this right after Groot's death:


There is no deeper meaning. Its all just popcorn entertainment.

There is completely nothing mature about Guardians...

After he danced in front of the villain right after Groots death, Star Lord lost all sympathy from me.

 

[Elijin]

After he danced in front of the villain right after Groots death, Star Lord lost all sympathy from me.

Obviously he should have just been sad, then died. I mean, how dare he gleefully dance, celebrating the death of his teammate! Not a care in the world! Oh? What? He danced for like 30 seconds to buy time for others to act? Oh. Still. Should have been sad, then died.

Like most things you say in this topic, its a total misrepresentation intended to let you hate Marvel, without having to put much thought into it.

Which is really really dumb. Many people on these forums find the MCU a bit cliche, stale, boring, silly, etc etc etc etc. They find plenty of solid ground to convey this without blatantly misrepresenting the films though.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

After he danced in front of the villain right after Groots death, Star Lord lost all sympathy from me.

Obviously he should have just been sad, then died. I mean, how dare he gleefully dance, celebrating the death of his teammate! Not a care in the world! Oh? What? He danced for like 30 seconds to buy time for others to act? Oh. Still. Should have been sad, then died.

Like most things you say in this topic, its a total misrepresentation intended to let you hate Marvel, without having to put much thought into it.

Which is really really dumb. Many people on these forums find the MCU a bit cliche, stale, boring, silly, etc etc etc etc. They find plenty of solid ground to convey this without blatantly misrepresenting the films though.

He can distract him to buy time sure, but did he had to fucking dance like Michael Jackson? I mean remember Neville's Speech to Voldemort in Deathly Hallows?

And this is what people wants in Superhero movies. Corny humor, self-aware athmosphere, and not take itself too seriously becuase "Their superheroes dude, stories that were made for children"

I will never get a Kingdom Come style story in theater if this direction for Superheroes continues. And YES I know the point of that comic book was meant as a criticism against Superheroes being edgy in the dark age 90s/early 2000s, but it was a story that I could take seriously, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman in that comic were characters I can take seriously and they treated their situation seriously. Even the humor in that comic was done subtly and did not come off as corny, it was humor that did got a laugh out of me.

 

[Elijin]

After he danced in front of the villain right after Groots death, Star Lord lost all sympathy from me.

Obviously he should have just been sad, then died. I mean, how dare he gleefully dance, celebrating the death of his teammate! Not a care in the world! Oh? What? He danced for like 30 seconds to buy time for others to act? Oh. Still. Should have been sad, then died.

Like most things you say in this topic, its a total misrepresentation intended to let you hate Marvel, without having to put much thought into it.

Which is really really dumb. Many people on these forums find the MCU a bit cliche, stale, boring, silly, etc etc etc etc. They find plenty of solid ground to convey this without blatantly misrepresenting the films though.

He can distract him to buy time sure, but did he had to fucking dance like Michael Jackson? I mean remember Neville's Speech to Voldemort in Deathly Hallows?

And this is what people wants in Superhero movies. Corny humor, self-aware athmosphere, and not take itself too seriously becuase "Their superheroes dude, stories that were made for children"

I will never get a Kingdom Come style story in theater if this direction for Superheroes continues. And YES I know the point of that comic book was meant as a criticism against Superheroes being edgy in the dark age 90s/early 2000s, but it was a story that I could take seriously, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman in that comic were characters I can take seriously and they treated their situation seriously. Even the humor in that comic was done subtly and did not come off as corny, it was humor that did got a laugh out of me.

I remember that the stakes were entirely different. That a speech worked because the bad guys had won and taken everyone prisoner. That, for the most part, the killing was over. Comparing a calm rounding up of the defeated like the finale of deathly hallows, to the active battle in GotG, where he's moments from killing everyone just shows that you continue to not remotely understand why your points are bad. He dances because its jarring. It's stupid. It's out of place. The Accuser stops and goes '.....What?' because of how odd it is. Why would he stop because they approached him with dialogue? It's been a while since I've seen GotG, but had they not already tried their shot at talking him down before that?

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

After he danced in front of the villain right after Groots death, Star Lord lost all sympathy from me.

Obviously he should have just been sad, then died. I mean, how dare he gleefully dance, celebrating the death of his teammate! Not a care in the world! Oh? What? He danced for like 30 seconds to buy time for others to act? Oh. Still. Should have been sad, then died.

Like most things you say in this topic, its a total misrepresentation intended to let you hate Marvel, without having to put much thought into it.

Which is really really dumb. Many people on these forums find the MCU a bit cliche, stale, boring, silly, etc etc etc etc. They find plenty of solid ground to convey this without blatantly misrepresenting the films though.

He can distract him to buy time sure, but did he had to fucking dance like Michael Jackson? I mean remember Neville's Speech to Voldemort in Deathly Hallows?

And this is what people wants in Superhero movies. Corny humor, self-aware athmosphere, and not take itself too seriously becuase "Their superheroes dude, stories that were made for children"

I will never get a Kingdom Come style story in theater if this direction for Superheroes continues. And YES I know the point of that comic book was meant as a criticism against Superheroes being edgy in the dark age 90s/early 2000s, but it was a story that I could take seriously, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman in that comic were characters I can take seriously and they treated their situation seriously. Even the humor in that comic was done subtly and did not come off as corny, it was humor that did got a laugh out of me.

I remember that the stakes were entirely different. That a speech worked because the bad guys had won and taken everyone prisoner. That, for the most part, the killing was over. Comparing a calm rounding up of the defeated like the finale of deathly hallows, to the active battle in GotG, where he's moments from killing everyone just shows that you continue to not remotely understand why your points are bad. He dances because its jarring. It's stupid. It's out of place. The Accuser stops and goes '.....What?' because of how odd it is. Why would he stop because they approached him with dialogue? It's been a while since I've seen GotG, but had they not already tried their shot at talking him down before that?

My recollection was that once Ronan got his mits on the Power Stone and jammed it in his hammer, he was confident enough to blow off Thanos and just go upon his merry to destroy Xandar. By that point, negotiating was just wasting soon to be precious oxygen.

As for the comparison to Kingdom Come; that comic starred a Superman, a Batman and a Wonder Woman who had well and truly been through the fucking wars and the had all the hindsight and perspective thusly. Star Lord and his merry band, bar Gamora are, frankly, a bunch of mercenary fuckspods to whom maturity of an alien concept. Why the fuck wouldn't the emotionally stunted Han Solo fanboy with a love of classic rock songs try what he tried?