The Spoony One has been ejected from That Guy With the Glasses.

[renaissance_nerd]

So I'm curious. Your basically neither confirming nor denying that Lupa was punished for her antagonizing Noah?

Correct. I did say on Twitter that I spoke with Allison. I know anything considered antagonistic stopped. However the disciplinary action is up to her manager, Rob. I have never worked for a company that publicly announced disciplinary action and we have no intention to do so. I am aware that people would like to know, however it's a no-win situation. Damned if we do confirm or deny anything, damned if we don't.

I can give you several examples if you would like of a company announcing disciplinary action especially concerning those that were involved in any public scandal (which this incident has become)

 

[yawgmothx]

So I'm curious. Your basically neither confirming nor denying that Lupa was punished for her antagonizing Noah?

Correct. I did say on Twitter that I spoke with Allison. I know anything considered antagonistic stopped. However the disciplinary action is up to her manager, Rob. I have never worked for a company that publicly announced disciplinary action and we have no intention to do so. I am aware that people would like to know, however it's a no-win situation. Damned if we do confirm or deny anything, damned if we don't.

I can give you several examples if you would like of a company announcing disciplinary action especially concerning those that were involved in any public scandal (which this incident has become)

As much as I'd love to find out that everyone involved with the shenanigans was chained to a pipe in a basement and forced to watch the others video's, it's right for a company not to disclose whatever they end up doing to one of their employee's. Of course this whole thing should've been done behind doors and both of them should've had their hands slapped away from their keyboards after the first round of flaming was launched but it's the internet and no one can babysit anyone 24/7.

I will say that the line "We feel that with these different aims, it is better for Noah to be free to pursue his own goals unhindered by us." from the Farewell letter implies that he was let go due to the companies wishes, if this wasn't the intended outcome of such a message then the writer should've changed the language.

 

[Noxogz]

You know that isn't being "snarky" right? It is not even close. Snarky is being an unpleasant smartass. That, is half a threat, half a proposition.

I'm sorry but what exactly are you claiming was "half a threat, half a proposition"?

Do you mean Spoony's joke?

Because that's what it was, a JOKE. In bad taste definitely but a joke none the less.

It is in no way neither a threat nor a proposition, nobody has treated it as anything other than a joke, not even Lupa.

If it was a threat Spoony could be tried for threatening to rape another human being, you know why he hasn't been? Because treating his JOKE as a threat would be INCREDIBLY STUPID because it is clear to anyone with half a brain it was a JOKE!

 

[gookygox]

I will say that the line "We feel that with these different aims, it is better for Noah to be free to pursue his own goals unhindered by us." from the Farewell letter implies that he was let go due to the companies wishes, if this wasn't the intended outcome of such a message then the writer should've changed the language.

Ah, yes. I see how one could interpret it that way. The line is based off of something Noah said while we met with him, which is likely why we didn't think twice about it.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I will say that the line "We feel that with these different aims, it is better for Noah to be free to pursue his own goals unhindered by us." from the Farewell letter implies that he was let go due to the companies wishes, if this wasn't the intended outcome of such a message then the writer should've changed the language.

Ah, yes. I see how one could interpret it that way. The line is based off of something Noah said while we met with him, which is likely why we didn't think twice about it.

Yeah dude, that PR bullshit with how Spoony's release from the company went about is my sore point with CA.

Would it have been to hard to write "We changed our twitter policy and Spoony disagreed with it so we decided to part ways"? Ya know? The blunt fact?

Also the "Wish him well in his future endeavors" line... don't use that. Thats what World Wrestling Entertainment does everytime they fire a wrestler because WWE's creative team "has nothing for them." I mean, yeah sure use it if you guys wanna seem like corporate tools but I imagine you folks wouldn't want that.

 

[yawgmothx]

I will say that the line "We feel that with these different aims, it is better for Noah to be free to pursue his own goals unhindered by us." from the Farewell letter implies that he was let go due to the companies wishes, if this wasn't the intended outcome of such a message then the writer should've changed the language.

Ah, yes. I see how one could interpret it that way. The line is based off of something Noah said while we met with him, which is likely why we didn't think twice about it.

You didn't think twice about the farewell letter that your own company sent out? And I'm a little shocked at the idea that any company would base a line in any kind of announcement on the internet off of something that the other person said in a closed door meeting.

 

[KRAKENDIE]

You know that isn't being "snarky" right? It is not even close. Snarky is being an unpleasant smartass. That, is half a threat, half a proposition.

I'm sorry but what exactly are you claiming was "half a threat, half a proposition"?

Do you mean Spoony's joke?

Because that's what it was, a JOKE. In bad taste definitely but a joke none the less.

It is in no way neither a threat nor a proposition, nobody has treated it as anything other than a joke, not even Lupa.

If it was a threat Spoony could be tried for threatening to rape another human being, you know why he hasn't been? Because treating his JOKE as a threat would be INCREDIBLY STUPID because it is clear to anyone with half a brain it was a JOKE!

I won't say it was an intentional aggressive threat. But for the receiver, it was threatening.

But saying it wasn't a proposition, even a tongue-in-cheek one, denies the nature of a proposition. A proposition doesn't require intent on fulfillment or even seriousness.

 

[EvilRoy]

So I'm curious. Your basically neither confirming nor denying that Lupa was punished for her antagonizing Noah?

Correct. I did say on Twitter that I spoke with Allison. I know anything considered antagonistic stopped. However the disciplinary action is up to her manager, Rob. I have never worked for a company that publicly announced disciplinary action and we have no intention to do so. I am aware that people would like to know, however it's a no-win situation. Damned if we do confirm or deny anything, damned if we don't.

I can give you several examples if you would like of a company announcing disciplinary action especially concerning those that were involved in any public scandal (which this incident has become)

As much as I'd love to find out that everyone involved with the shenanigans was chained to a pipe in a basement and forced to watch the others video's, it's right for a company not to disclose whatever they end up doing to one of their employee's. Of course this whole thing should've been done behind doors and both of them should've had their hands slapped away from their keyboards after the first round of flaming was launched but it's the internet and no one can babysit anyone 24/7.

That's something I don't think I'll ever understand about the videogame/entertainment industry.
In my industry when someone messes up this bad (Lupa, Spoony, whoever utterly failed to read over the press post) it's pretty much a public crucifixion.

I guess the higher ups feel it stands as a warning to the others, and honestly I kind of agree. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one of those, and it keeps me clean and honest. But it just doesn't happen that much in these industries, and I've never really understood why.

 

[VoiceOfTheVoiceless]

Ah, yes. I see how one could interpret it that way. The line is based off of something Noah said while we met with him, which is likely why we didn't think twice about it.

So let me ask this. Would Noah be welcome back if he asked to or would you not be the person to be able to answer that? It would be great if the whole nasty situation was forgiven and forgotten. No Spoony on TGWTG just seems wrong. Both sides did so much for each other it sucks that things just end like that.

Also, How many times is Lordkat going to be allowed to piss on TGWTG without removing his links on the site? He fully admitted on the Lupa stream that he was breaking his agreement by stating why he left so why bother promoting him?

Lastly, I know disciplinary actions, if any, on Allison will be confidential but I hope the less views she gets now as well as the weight on her conscience because of her part in all this will be lesson enough. She caused a rift between fans and TGWTG is caught in the middle of it. the site will have to do some goodwill to return those viewers, if possible.

 

[Noxogz]

I won't say it was an intentional aggressive threat. But for the receiver, it was threatening.

But saying it wasn't a proposition, even a tongue-in-cheek one, denies the nature of a proposition. A proposition doesn't require intent on fulfillment or even seriousness.

I wouldn't say it was threatening to the receiver as JO didn't seem to have much of a problem with it when he said it in the first place.

Could his joke be interpreted as a proposition? I think it would be stretching it but I guess it could be.

Captcha: in the air

I guess it is.

 

[KRAKENDIE]

I won't say it was an intentional aggressive threat. But for the receiver, it was threatening.

But saying it wasn't a proposition, even a tongue-in-cheek one, denies the nature of a proposition. A proposition doesn't require intent on fulfillment or even seriousness.

I wouldn't say it was threatening to the receiver as JO didn't seem to have much of a problem with it when he said it in the first place.

Could his joke be interpreted as a proposition? I think it would be stretching it but I guess it could be.

Captcha: in the air

I guess it is.

Well I know it was received as creepy and there was some discomfort, maybe not 'fear', so to speak.

That is incredibly fitting.

 

[gookygox]

You didn't think twice about the farewell letter that your own company sent out? And I'm a little shocked at the idea that any company would base a line in any kind of announcement on the internet off of something that the other person said in a closed door meeting.

...
It's another no-win. We have a policy of closed door meetings so you're not going to hear EXACTLY what was said. I stated multiple times on Twitter that Noah chose a different path from our own and that our entire meeting was very calm and polite. We had no reason to assume that anyone WOULD interpret that any differently that what is directly stated, hence not reading into it.

As for the WWE thing, as far as I know, none of the exec at CA watch it. It's a pretty standard line across the board. I've known people to write it in going away cards when someone takes a new job.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I won't say it was an intentional aggressive threat. But for the receiver, it was threatening.

But saying it wasn't a proposition, even a tongue-in-cheek one, denies the nature of a proposition. A proposition doesn't require intent on fulfillment or even seriousness.

I wouldn't say it was threatening to the receiver as JO didn't seem to have much of a problem with it when he said it in the first place.

Could his joke be interpreted as a proposition? I think it would be stretching it but I guess it could be.

Captcha: in the air

I guess it is.

Well I know it was received as creepy and there was some discomfort, maybe not 'fear', so to speak.

That is incredibly fitting.

I mean... isn't that based upon how close JO and Spony are?

Hell me and my buddies joke sometimes about killing one of us and helping the others bury the body. Frank discussions spoken so straight that if we were being listened to by the FBI, we'd probably have some problems... but were all close enough friends to know that we're just joking.

 

[gookygox]

Also, How many times is Lordkat going to be allowed to piss on TGWTG without removing his links on the site? He fully admitted on the Lupa stream that he was breaking his agreement by stating why he left so why bother promoting him?

That's up to Michaud. He was going to listen to the recording. I know that LK doesn't make any money off of the videos anymore and that there are no plans to continue having his videos on the new site design.

 

[EvilRoy]

You didn't think twice about the farewell letter that your own company sent out? And I'm a little shocked at the idea that any company would base a line in any kind of announcement on the internet off of something that the other person said in a closed door meeting.

...
It's another no-win. We have a policy of closed door meetings so you're not going to hear EXACTLY what was said. I stated multiple times on Twitter that Noah chose a different path from our own and that our entire meeting was very calm and polite. We had no reason to assume that anyone WOULD interpret that any differently that what is directly stated, hence not reading into it.

As for the WWE thing, as far as I know, none of the exec at CA watch it. It's a pretty standard line across the board. I've known people to write it in going away cards when someone takes a new job.

That's the danger of using such a standard phrase in a public announcement though. Each different industry lines those words with unique subtext, so when you tell a whole bunch of people from different industries about this and use those words we all take it differently.

Where I work those words tend to mean 'Parted amiably, but do not expect to work in this industry/area again'. So you could understand how I would interpret this as basically saying he was fired, took it like a man, but you intend to blackball him. Whereas someone who works in another area would see it completely differently.

 

[KRAKENDIE]

I won't say it was an intentional aggressive threat. But for the receiver, it was threatening.

But saying it wasn't a proposition, even a tongue-in-cheek one, denies the nature of a proposition. A proposition doesn't require intent on fulfillment or even seriousness.

I wouldn't say it was threatening to the receiver as JO didn't seem to have much of a problem with it when he said it in the first place.

Could his joke be interpreted as a proposition? I think it would be stretching it but I guess it could be.

Captcha: in the air

I guess it is.

Well I know it was received as creepy and there was some discomfort, maybe not 'fear', so to speak.

That is incredibly fitting.

I mean... isn't that based upon how close JO and Spony are?

Hell me and my buddies joke sometimes about killing one of us and helping the others bury the body. Frank discussions spoken so straight that if we were being listened to by the FBI, we'd probably have some problems... but were all close enough friends to know that we're just joking.

Not necessarily. I mean, the likelihood isn't the only factor in fear. Of course it's unlikely The Spoony One would go to JO upon hearing her relationship didn't work out and kidnap her. But having to say "Eh, I don't think he'd actually rape me" to yourself is unsettling at least and telling of some deep issues with The Spoony One at most.

Psychoanalysis of rapists has recently shown rapists overwhelmingly believe all men are rapists, but that most are incredibly hush-hush about it. Rape in media and rape jokes were among the things they admitted inform their opinion that rape isn't as big a deal as people pretend to be. Of course this isn't to say The Spoony One might be a rapist, but to illustrate that jokes known to be jokes are not entirely harmless.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

(ah forget it.)

 

[JimB]

I'm a little shocked at the idea that any company would base a line in any kind of announcement on the internet off of something that the other person said in a closed door meeting.

Oh my god.

If there is information to be disseminated, and if that information can be disseminated using the subject's own words without violating anyone's confidence, then why on Earth oughtn't they to go straight to the horse's mouth? It's not like anyone on the planet ever would have known they were his words if people hadn't kept hammering and hammering and hammering.

 

[yawgmothx]

You didn't think twice about the farewell letter that your own company sent out? And I'm a little shocked at the idea that any company would base a line in any kind of announcement on the internet off of something that the other person said in a closed door meeting.

...
It's another no-win. We have a policy of closed door meetings so you're not going to hear EXACTLY what was said. I stated multiple times on Twitter that Noah chose a different path from our own and that our entire meeting was very calm and polite. We had no reason to assume that anyone WOULD interpret that any differently that what is directly stated, hence not reading into it.

As for the WWE thing, as far as I know, none of the exec at CA watch it. It's a pretty standard line across the board. I've known people to write it in going away cards when someone takes a new job.

You misunderstand my meaning, ma'am. Closed door meetings are internal company affairs that should say only between those who should know inside the company. Stating that different paths were chosen on twitter is all well and good and I'm very glad things went politely.

That being said, you had every reason to assume people would interpret the meaning of your words in a hundred different ways. You have a very public flame war on your hands in a galvanizing market involving popular and vocal producers for the site. People were watching this unfold on twitter and through live streams from the very first seconds that it was starting.

So you're telling me that in the midst of this hellstorm, the site's pr issued an official statement that no one checked so they could make sure it wouldn't make things worse? Especially when the popular opinion on why the incident even took place is because someone didn't pay attention to what they posted on the internet?