The Teen Titans Live Action TV show trailer for DC's own streaming service.

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

Ugh, really? You've got a Doom Patrol series in the works DC, could you not save the grim and gritty for that? The Titans were all about being big and brash and colourful. Is it just because the trailer focuses more on Robin and Raven, who are the more sombre of the gang? If we'd gotten a Beast Boy and Starfire trailer would it have been actually, you know, fun?

On a side note, was that Hawk and Dove I spotted at around 1:11? They guest stars or part of the main cast?

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Ugh, really? You've got a Doom Patrol series in the works DC, could you not save the grim and gritty for that? The Titans were all about being big and brash and colourful. Is it just because the trailer focuses more on Robin and Raven, who are the more sombre of the gang? If we'd gotten a Beast Boy and Starfire trailer would it have been actually, you know, fun?

On a side note, was that Hawk and Dove I spotted at around 1:11? They guest stars or part of the main cast?

Main cast I think, the look of their costumes means they spent too much money on them to be cameos.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

Clearly this is resonating with some people, but I hate basically everything about this trailer. The overly grim dark tone, the terrible costumes, the horrible writing and line delivery, it's a mess.

Above all else though I can't abide what they're doing to Robin. They took Dick Grayson, one of the most hopeful, charismatic, and friendly characters that DC has and turned him into a violent angst machine. The whole point of Robin is to have someone for Batman to contrast against. To remind him where the line is and that mercilessly beating people isn't the only way to get answers. It's the reason Jason didn't work out and why Dick and Tim have always been held up more as Batman's equals. Because while they look up to Bruce as a father figure they aren't afraid to take his legacy and shape it into something more positive that suits them. Sure Dick and Bruce don't always see eye to eye but that "Fuck Batman" line is completely out of character and serves as nothing but shock value. Fuck DC, I love you so goddamn much but what the FUCK are you doing with the DCEU and now this?

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

"Fuck Batman" oh yes Robin fuck Batman indeed that overrated Gary-Stu asshole...if you really are the Robin I know, because the only explination for Robin to say that is if this is Jason Todd Robin, but they showed this Robin clearly having the Circus origin story so it has to be Dick Grayson, unless Jason also had the origin story of being a Circus performer?

I think Jason Todd did have circus ties like Dick Grayson, but the flash back clearly shows a sign reading 'The Flying Graysons'.
This could be after Grayson angrily split with Batman, but then he'd have no reason to keep the Robin moniker.

As far as I know Jason doesn't have anything tying him to the circus. He grew up a poor kid in Gotham. His mom died of an overdose and his father was a criminal. He linked up with Batman after trying to take the tires off the batmobile.

It certainly does look like they're appropriating some of Jason's angst and giving it to Dick as motivation for striking out on his own.

 

[Natemans]

Hey, kids! You sick of edgy and gritty for your favorite heroes?

Too bad, here's another one.

And this time they aren't holding back compared to the DCEU movies.

Jeez Robin was merciless.

And I have said it before, but I feel this is the concequence of the Batmanization of all of the DC's properties.

The Dark Knight was THAT influential and made them that much money.

So you can bet Robin here will be having the most developed story and effort of the cast.

And also the Harley Quinn cartoon this streaming service will get is also gonna be straight up a HARD "R" series....so expect alot of "Fanservice"

Yeah, I feel like they missed the point on why Dark Knight is influential, but all they think is dark tone equals good storytelling which is an opposite approach tbh. You can make good storytelling regardless of a dark tone.

It makes sense that Robin being the most well developed since he's the leader of the team.

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

I am still yet convinced about Starfire and Beastboy, the latter especially because how the hell are they gonna make him change into so many different animal forms?

...CG? Though, don't expect too much of it, cause TV budget.

Why is beastboy there

like its a TV show with a limited budget, from a pure budget standpoint why include a character that is going to eat a large chunk of it by simply existing?

I'm not too familiar with comic book Teen Titans, but... would there even be a point in making this show if Beastboy wasn't there? Then again, Cyborg is absent instead(JL movie might be responsible, tho), so iunno.

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

I guess they are doubling down on the Snyder/Nolan tone for their streaming service and honsetly go for it, because fuck the Marvel/Disney standard that people expects Superheroes to be.

I hate the Snyder/Nolan tone for Superheroes. It's too grimm, too gritty, too joyless. I can't get invested if things are all miserable all the time. You know what what stuck a good balance between humour and drama? The friggan DCAU!!

Joyless? Eh, can see that, since Nolan generally makes "srs movies" that are all about big ideas and only have some dose of humour thrown here and there.
But grim and gritty? Down to earth, sure, but no one really swears, nor bleeds and half of Dark Knight movies takes place during daytime. And cinematography is neat and clean.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I guess they are doubling down on the Snyder/Nolan tone for their streaming service and honsetly go for it, because fuck the Marvel/Disney standard that people expects Superheroes to be.

I hate the Snyder/Nolan tone for Superheroes. It's too grimm, too gritty, too joyless. I can't get invested if things are all miserable all the time. You know what what stuck a good balance between humour and drama? The friggan DCAU!!

Joyless? Eh, can see that, since Nolan generally makes "srs movies" that are all about big ideas and only have some dose of humour thrown here and there.
But grim and gritty? Down to earth, sure, but no one really swears, nor bleeds and half of Dark Knight movies takes place during daytime. And cinematography is neat and clean.

Yeah, but if the colour palette was any darker it'd be black and white.

EDIT:
This touches on the biggest problems with the Nolan/Snyder style.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I guess they are doubling down on the Snyder/Nolan tone for their streaming service and honsetly go for it, because fuck the Marvel/Disney standard that people expects Superheroes to be.

I hate the Snyder/Nolan tone for Superheroes. It's too grimm, too gritty, too joyless. I can't get invested if things are all miserable all the time. You know what what stuck a good balance between humour and drama? The friggan DCAU!!

Joyless? Eh, can see that, since Nolan generally makes "srs movies" that are all about big ideas and only have some dose of humour thrown here and there.
But grim and gritty? Down to earth, sure, but no one really swears, nor bleeds and half of Dark Knight movies takes place during daytime. And cinematography is neat and clean.

Yeah, but if the colour palette was any darker it'd be black and white.

EDIT:
This touches on the biggest problems with the Nolan/Snyder style.

I am well aware of Overly Sarcastic Productions, but never watch their videos on things like this.

Are you certain this video is not biased and one sided?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I decided to look at the development team behid this show and the 3 guys leading this are Geoff Johns, Greg Berlanti, and
Akiva Goldsman.

Looking at Goldsman career we worked on:

Batman Forever (Writer)
Batman and Robin (Writer)
A Beautiful Mind (Writer)
I,Robot (Writer)
And other rather mediocre movies he wrote, produced and/or acted in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akiva_Goldsman#Filmography

Looking at Berlanti's career his movies are:

Green Lantern (Screenwriter and Story Writer)
Wrath of the Titans (Story Writer)
Pan (Producer)

And his TV career included the Arrowverse shows:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Berlanti#Filmography

And Geoff Johns, and people though HE was gonna course correct DC's direction and tone

And the funny thing is both Goldsman's only work on Superheroes was when Superheroes were still seen as kids stuff in the movie scene and worked on the more campier Batman movies.

Berlanti though, Supergirl and Flash were certainly far from Grimdark from the clips I have seen of them. Was Green Lantern rather Grimdark?

 

[twistedmic]

"Fuck Batman" oh yes Robin fuck Batman indeed that overrated Gary-Stu asshole...if you really are the Robin I know, because the only explination for Robin to say that is if this is Jason Todd Robin, but they showed this Robin clearly having the Circus origin story so it has to be Dick Grayson, unless Jason also had the origin story of being a Circus performer?

I think Jason Todd did have circus ties like Dick Grayson, but the flash back clearly shows a sign reading 'The Flying Graysons'.
This could be after Grayson angrily split with Batman, but then he'd have no reason to keep the Robin moniker.

As far as I know Jason doesn't have anything tying him to the circus. He grew up a poor kid in Gotham. His mom died of an overdose and his father was a criminal. He linked up with Batman after trying to take the tires off the batmobile.

It certainly does look like they're appropriating some of Jason's angst and giving it to Dick as motivation for striking out on his own.

According to wikipedia (so take it with a grain of salt), Pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths Jason Todd had acrobat parents and postCrisis he had a druggie mom and a criminal father.

 

[Redvenge]

I decided to look at the development team behid this show and the 3 guys leading this are Geoff Johns, Greg Berlanti, and
Akiva Goldsman.

Ah, so that is where Goldsman went. He was on the writing team for Star Trek: Discovery but did not come back for season two because of "issues in the writing room" (yeah, that was the biggest problem of season one). However, since the writing of Star Trek: Discovery was a sloppy, disjointed mess, I would not be looking forward to Akiva Goldsman's work.

 

[Natemans]

I decided to look at the development team behid this show and the 3 guys leading this are Geoff Johns, Greg Berlanti, and
Akiva Goldsman.

Looking at Goldsman career we worked on:

Batman Forever (Writer)
Batman and Robin (Writer)
A Beautiful Mind (Writer)
I,Robot (Writer)
And other rather mediocre movies he wrote, produced and/or acted in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akiva_Goldsman#Filmography

Looking at Berlanti's career his movies are:

Green Lantern (Screenwriter and Story Writer)
Wrath of the Titans (Story Writer)
Pan (Producer)

And his TV career included the Arrowverse shows:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Berlanti#Filmography

And Geoff Johns, and people though HE was gonna course correct DC's direction and tone

And the funny thing is both Goldsman's only work on Superheroes was when Superheroes were still seen as kids stuff in the movie scene and worked on the more campier Batman movies.

Berlanti though, Supergirl and Flash were certainly far from Grimdark from the clips I have seen of them. Was Green Lantern rather Grimdark?

Green Lantern film wasn't grim dark, no, but....I don't know what tone that film was going for.

As for Geoff Johns, I do think he was a good choice since he knows DC's history a lot based on his good track record of comics and he helped make a lot of season 1 of the Flash done well.

As for Goldsman, he's made some good stuff, but I think a lot of his bad work is more noticeable. Even if I like Batman Forever and don't hate Batman and Robin as much as everyone else does.

Berlanti's work for the Arrowverse has mostly been good at first....I did enjoy his direction on the film Love, Simon.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

On a side note, was that Hawk and Dove I spotted at around 1:11? They guest stars or part of the main cast?

Main cast I think, the look of their costumes means they spent too much money on them to be cameos.

So the line-up is going to have a Robin, Raven, Hawk and Dove? Poor Starfire and Beast Boy are being outnumbered by birds!

Do we know who else is showing up in this? Hawk and Dove are apparently main stars, you've Doom Patrol showing up for a backdoor pilot, I'm guessing Cyborg, Arsenal and Kid Flash are out due to appearing elsewhere (though we have two Flashes so who knows), how about Aqualad or Wondergirl? Any Outsiders showing up?

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I guess they are doubling down on the Snyder/Nolan tone for their streaming service and honsetly go for it, because fuck the Marvel/Disney standard that people expects Superheroes to be.

I hate the Snyder/Nolan tone for Superheroes. It's too grimm, too gritty, too joyless. I can't get invested if things are all miserable all the time. You know what what stuck a good balance between humour and drama? The friggan DCAU!!

Joyless? Eh, can see that, since Nolan generally makes "srs movies" that are all about big ideas and only have some dose of humour thrown here and there.
But grim and gritty? Down to earth, sure, but no one really swears, nor bleeds and half of Dark Knight movies takes place during daytime. And cinematography is neat and clean.

Yeah, but if the colour palette was any darker it'd be black and white.

EDIT:
This touches on the biggest problems with the Nolan/Snyder style.

I am well aware of Overly Sarcastic Productions, but never watch their videos on things like this.

Are you certain this video is not biased and one sided?

Did you actually watch the video before proclaiming it biased and one sided?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I guess they are doubling down on the Snyder/Nolan tone for their streaming service and honsetly go for it, because fuck the Marvel/Disney standard that people expects Superheroes to be.

I hate the Snyder/Nolan tone for Superheroes. It's too grimm, too gritty, too joyless. I can't get invested if things are all miserable all the time. You know what what stuck a good balance between humour and drama? The friggan DCAU!!

Joyless? Eh, can see that, since Nolan generally makes "srs movies" that are all about big ideas and only have some dose of humour thrown here and there.
But grim and gritty? Down to earth, sure, but no one really swears, nor bleeds and half of Dark Knight movies takes place during daytime. And cinematography is neat and clean.

Yeah, but if the colour palette was any darker it'd be black and white.

EDIT:
This touches on the biggest problems with the Nolan/Snyder style.

I am well aware of Overly Sarcastic Productions, but never watch their videos on things like this.

Are you certain this video is not biased and one sided?

Did you actually watch the video before proclaiming it biased and one sided?

I thought I made that clear in my post?

No I have no watched it because of my fear of it being biased and one sided.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I guess they are doubling down on the Snyder/Nolan tone for their streaming service and honsetly go for it, because fuck the Marvel/Disney standard that people expects Superheroes to be.

I hate the Snyder/Nolan tone for Superheroes. It's too grimm, too gritty, too joyless. I can't get invested if things are all miserable all the time. You know what what stuck a good balance between humour and drama? The friggan DCAU!!

Joyless? Eh, can see that, since Nolan generally makes "srs movies" that are all about big ideas and only have some dose of humour thrown here and there.
But grim and gritty? Down to earth, sure, but no one really swears, nor bleeds and half of Dark Knight movies takes place during daytime. And cinematography is neat and clean.

Yeah, but if the colour palette was any darker it'd be black and white.

EDIT:
This touches on the biggest problems with the Nolan/Snyder style.

I am well aware of Overly Sarcastic Productions, but never watch their videos on things like this.

Are you certain this video is not biased and one sided?

Did you actually watch the video before proclaiming it biased and one sided?

I thought I made that clear in my post?

No I have no watched it because of my fear of it being biased and one sided.

Then come back when you've actually watched the video.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I guess they are doubling down on the Snyder/Nolan tone for their streaming service and honsetly go for it, because fuck the Marvel/Disney standard that people expects Superheroes to be.

I hate the Snyder/Nolan tone for Superheroes. It's too grimm, too gritty, too joyless. I can't get invested if things are all miserable all the time. You know what what stuck a good balance between humour and drama? The friggan DCAU!!

Joyless? Eh, can see that, since Nolan generally makes "srs movies" that are all about big ideas and only have some dose of humour thrown here and there.
But grim and gritty? Down to earth, sure, but no one really swears, nor bleeds and half of Dark Knight movies takes place during daytime. And cinematography is neat and clean.

Yeah, but if the colour palette was any darker it'd be black and white.

EDIT:
This touches on the biggest problems with the Nolan/Snyder style.

I am well aware of Overly Sarcastic Productions, but never watch their videos on things like this.

Are you certain this video is not biased and one sided?

Did you actually watch the video before proclaiming it biased and one sided?

I thought I made that clear in my post?

No I have no watched it because of my fear of it being biased and one sided.

Then come back when you've actually watched the video.

You know, I have been lectured against in the Religion and Politics forums about posting only videos as explainations to a topic, usually Sargon of Akkad or something back then, and people refused to watch it and answer the question provided because they don't want to watch a 30+ minute video or they hate the person making the video, and are so poilitcally stubborn because they know they are right in what they think and they don't need to explain anything.

And now you are telling me to watch this video even though I am asking whether you think its rather biased or one sided and you won't tell me that, because I am not watching until I know from your confirmation that it is one sided.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I guess they are doubling down on the Snyder/Nolan tone for their streaming service and honsetly go for it, because fuck the Marvel/Disney standard that people expects Superheroes to be.

I hate the Snyder/Nolan tone for Superheroes. It's too grimm, too gritty, too joyless. I can't get invested if things are all miserable all the time. You know what what stuck a good balance between humour and drama? The friggan DCAU!!

Joyless? Eh, can see that, since Nolan generally makes "srs movies" that are all about big ideas and only have some dose of humour thrown here and there.
But grim and gritty? Down to earth, sure, but no one really swears, nor bleeds and half of Dark Knight movies takes place during daytime. And cinematography is neat and clean.

Yeah, but if the colour palette was any darker it'd be black and white.

EDIT:
This touches on the biggest problems with the Nolan/Snyder style.

I am well aware of Overly Sarcastic Productions, but never watch their videos on things like this.

Are you certain this video is not biased and one sided?

Did you actually watch the video before proclaiming it biased and one sided?

I thought I made that clear in my post?

No I have no watched it because of my fear of it being biased and one sided.

Then come back when you've actually watched the video.

You know, I have been lectured against in the Religion and Politics forums about posting only videos as explainations to a topic, usually Sargon of Akkad or something back then, and people refused to watch it and answer the question provided because they don't want to watch a 30+ minute video or they hate the person making the video, and are so poilitcally stubborn because they know they are right in what they think and they don't need to explain anything.

And now you are telling me to watch this video even though I am asking whether you think its rather biased or one sided and you won't tell me that, because I am not watching until I know from your confirmation that it is one sided.

It is 10 minutes not 30, but ok fine! No I don't think it's biased or one sided. It's discussing the concept of realism in fiction and how it is often done poorly. She does use the DC Cinematic Universe as an example, but it is not specifically about ragging on Christopher Nolan. Satisfied?