The Very Best

[PunkRex]

I think we got a few Blue fans up in here. Guys, Blue was cool as was Gary Oak, the point of this discusion is the ineptitude of Ash, BECAUSE HE WAS... he was a bad Pok'e'trainer.

 

[Revolutionary]

I called him Dicks Oak. We're such a mature bunch.

 

[AlexWinter]

Highly impractical. Then they'd make no distinction between the person ordering them around and the other slaver. If your opponent can stop all your attacks by yelling stop, then the creature is worthless.

And when you don't need to do something, you lose all memory of ever being able to do it. Like how, the day they retire, professionals lose all memories of how to perform their old jobs. And how amputees forget what its like to have an arm. Forgetting how to bite is not something trivial - it shows that their mental capacity is extremely limitted, to the point that they are unable to remeber how to close their jaws on another thing.

Evidently they can't be nursed back to health, or they'd actually get back up without outside aid. Anyway, that doesn't adress my point of fainting being roughly the same as sleeping.

Because that would require they be captured again, which would diminish their intelligence so much they become a vegetable.

Harmony does not exist in nature. At all. Life is a kill or be killed struggle between the species - with the sole exception of symbiotic species, there is never a case of several predatory species living together without eating each other.

You're grasping at straws now.

If any of this is stated in one of the games or in the anime then I agree with you. Otherwise you're applying the rules of our world to their world, which is ludicrous.

 

[orangeapples]

PREACH! Ash annoyed the hell out of me as a kid, he knew NOTHING about Pokemon and pulled stupid battle tactics that made no sense out of his pok'e'hole. Im surprised he knew what a Pikachu was...

Tactic to defeat Brock: use an electric type against a rock type.

use an electric type against a rock type.

a rock type.

electric is normal effective against rock.

Ash has completely humiliated that squad of Team Rocket for so long Giovanni didn't want anything to do with them. Jesse James and Meowth didn't become competent until after they stopped trying to annoy Ash for Pikachu. Ash also did the same against Butch and Cassidy. Ash doesn't have to stop Team Rocket because TR isn't really doing much evil to the world.
Red took down every Rocketeer, all the way up to its boss, Giovanni. Can't say Ash did that. And if you're going to use "took four people off Team Rocket's payroll" as an argument, imagine if you ran an organization and some random prepubescent kid defeated every last one of them: you'd be cutting off the income of more than just four people, that's for damn sure.
He did however stop Team Magma/Aqua and Team Galactic. Red did neither of those.That's like saying Ethan didn't stop Team Magma/Aqua/Galactic. He couldn't in his game. This is a strict what-could've-been-done/actually-did comparison between characters, within what ACTUALLY COULD'VE BEEN DONE.

I'm not talking about what Ethan did, this is purely between what Ash and Red actually did. Yes, Red stopped Team Rocket in his universe. I never said he didn't. And I'm not saying that Red couldn't stop Team Aqua/Magma/Plasma, just that he didn't while Ash did.

Ash has caught more than 10 pokemon in his career.
Caterpie
Pidgeotto
Bulbasaur
Charmander
Squirtle
Primape
Krabby
Muk
Tauros
Snorlax
And that was just Kanto
He's added over 20 pokemon since then.
20
20

I'm not saying 20 was a lot, but the argument was that Ash hasn't caught more than 10. All I had to do was prove it wrong.

Gary and Ash aren't even in the same competition anymore. Gary has decided to become a pokemon researcher, while Ash continues to travel as a trainer. Both are learning more about pokemon and respect each other.

All you have is some fanart? Not even an attempt at discussion?

Ultimate Pokemon Trainer? according to what? Canonically, Red's only obtained 7 pokemon:
Pikachu
Charmander
Squirtle
Bulbasaur
Snorlax
Eevee
Lapras
That's worse than how Ash canonically does in the same region.
Canonically,
Charmander
Squirtle
Bulbasaur
Also, "all the pokemon you have in your current inventory" != "all the pokemon you've ever owned".

Then you tell me, what pokemon other than the ones I listed does Red canonically have? You can't, because that's all he canonically has. No amount of idolization can change that. To top that off, the only one of those pokemon that was caught was Snorlax. The rest were either given to Red, or Red stole.

Does Red know everything there is to know about pokemon? I doubt it because some punk 10 year old kid comes along and beats him sending Red crying to the last pokemon center he visited.
Knowing everything there is to know about pokemon is a pokemon researcher's job, not a trainer's. Also, even you would know that "league champion" is a title hardly held for long by anyone.

Red is a pokemon trainer, so knowing as much as he possibly can is relevant to his hobby. And you're wrong. Steven Stone was Champion so long he got bored of the position and left. He left to look at rocks. He was that bored of being Champion.

His Rival is *****? far from it. When Blue loses to Red, what does he do? He remarks about how his pokemon will do better nest time.
And then proceeds to walk away. When all of your pokemon have fainted, you lose. Back to the Pokemon Center. Where the hell else do you think he walks? Also, at least in FireRed/LeafGreen, Red takes his pokemon to a center as well, no matter who he loses to.

Yeah, but at least Blue isn't such a wuss that he faints.

And lets face it, the only reason you are able to beat Blue so easily is because you played the game a bunch of times. When you were first going on your adventure, he wiped the floor with you.

Are we talking about Red as a character, or the person actually playing the game?

only because there is no basis of judging how Red actually does against Blue.

 

[saintdane05]

Could you really blame Ash?

Ash?

Ash?

*picks up megaphone*
Okay, everyone on this site? I just want to clear things up. This is not, and I repeat, NOT Ash. This is RED, the only person who could run Gary Motherfucking Oak into the ground. Observe:
http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/halolz-dot-com-pokemon-redvsash.jpg
Are we all clear on this?
...good. Return to your duties.
*puts down megaphone*

Unless we are talking about the badass Ash from The Electric Tale of Pikachu.

 

[Skeleon]

Folks, folks, calm down.
Good Ash, bad Ash...

Spoiler: ...he's the one with the gun.

Nice comic. The ever-present mute protagonist does lend himself well to project all sorts of neuroses into.

 

[A Satanic Panda]

Why is (is that Gary?) making out with and marrying Korra? All my fan-fics are ruined!

 

[knight4light]

Highly impractical. Then they'd make no distinction between the person ordering them around and the other slaver. If your opponent can stop all your attacks by yelling stop, then the creature is worthless.

And when you don't need to do something, you lose all memory of ever being able to do it. Like how, the day they retire, professionals lose all memories of how to perform their old jobs. And how amputees forget what its like to have an arm. Forgetting how to bite is not something trivial - it shows that their mental capacity is extremely limitted, to the point that they are unable to remeber how to close their jaws on another thing.

Evidently they can't be nursed back to health, or they'd actually get back up without outside aid. Anyway, that doesn't adress my point of fainting being roughly the same as sleeping.

Because that would require they be captured again, which would diminish their intelligence so much they become a vegetable.

Harmony does not exist in nature. At all. Life is a kill or be killed struggle between the species - with the sole exception of symbiotic species, there is never a case of several predatory species living together without eating each other.

You're grasping at straws now.

If any of this is stated in one of the games or in the anime then I agree with you. Otherwise you're applying the rules of our world to their world, which is ludicrous.

No, I'm applying simple logic. I'm assuming that still applies.

One question. what of the ancient pokeballs/artifacts. or better yet.. heres a link

http://www.angelfire.com/weird/ektomage/snap/pokeballs.html

pokeballs are strange. and i think its something we'll never truely know the answers to. also... what every happened to the gs ball.

 

[orangeapples]

electric is normal effective against rock.
Okay orange, go boot up a copy of FireRed, capture a Pikachu in Viridian Forst, and challenge Brock. Use Thundershock. Humor me.

Electric has no effect against ground. It is just that Brock's rock pokemon were also part ground. Electric is still super effective against the Omanyte/Omastar, Kabuto/Kabutops and Aerodactyl despite all of them being rock type pokemon.

I'm not saying 20 was a lot, but the argument was that Ash hasn't caught more than 10. All I had to do was prove it wrong.
Wasn't the one who made the image. ~30 pokemon captured sucks, no matter how you look at it, especially if you're going to multiple reasons. We're talking about the aptitude of the trainer, and Ash fails in this respect. Hard.

as I said, I was only arguing against the picture, since that was all you used in that post. It doesn't matter what else you say in that argument, I proved it wrong. That is enough.

Then you tell me, what pokemon other than the ones I listed does Red canonically have? You can't, because that's all he canonically has. No amount of idolization can change that. To top that off, the only one of those pokemon that was caught was Snorlax. The rest were either given to Red, or Red stole.
When you have all three starter pokemon canon flies out the fucking window.

Does it? Because when events in 1 part of a series agree with a later part of the series as established facts, those become canon. In Pokemon Yellow, all three starters were obtainable without trading, outside tools or glitching to move outside of the parameters of the programmers. In video games, that stuff is canon.

Steven Stone was Champion so long he got bored of the position and left. He left to look at rocks. He was that bored of being Champion.
Fine. One exception. Point: Orange.

YES! ONE!

Yeah, but at least Blue isn't such a wuss that he faints.
Suppose you lost a trainer battle. How the hell can you go to the pokemon center if you're knocked out? "Blacking out" (or "whiting out" in FR/LG) represents the outcome of a battle, like fading out in cinematography. It's not like it's part of what "literally" happened.... unless it's like that one part in Victory Gundam where that one Shrike pilot got incinerated with a beam saber. That sucked.

I was always under the impression that Prof Oak is watching every single thing you do (which is why he can tell you to not use a fishing rod on a tree) and that he installed some sort of tracking device on the pokedex he gives you allowing him to teleport you to the last pokemon center you used. He is a researcher after all, perhaps at some point in his studies he found out how to replicate the pokemon's move Teleport for human application.

only because there is no basis of judging how Red actually does against Blue.

We DO know that he beat Blue in the Pokemon league. That HAD to count for something. Imagine if you just beat the Elite Four, became champ, and then your title was taken away almost immediately after. That had to be the greatest dethroning/ultimate ownage of Blue... ever.

I'd give you that one BUT when you rematch the E4, guess who is still champion. So between the time you defeat Blue and continue your game, Blue beats you as well.

captcha: true blue

that's right! Even captcha agrees with me.

 

[CharrHearted]

*puts up flameshield*

ALRIGHT, back up you useless mongrels, back the hell up! No more fire, putting it all out! Go back to your mediocre lives not because it is easy but because it is hard! That is all.

Sweet christ your fanboyish complaints are doing my head in...

JUST ENJOY THE COMIC STRIP EVEN THOUGH IT'S BACKWARDS!

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

A delightful skewering of the Pokemon series and the somewhat bizarre world it inhabits.

Also, that grumpy Charizard picture is hilarious!

 

[Demonjazz]

If you wanna apply real world logic to pokemon you're going to have a bad time..........



Seriously people, fantasy world, fantasy rules... in the Pokemon world the only animals are pokemon. In the pokemon cartoon the kids have been shown driking milk and eating meat.


DO THE MATH.

Actually in the begining of the series Proffesor Oak ate a crabby. I think it was Gary's crabby too. Ash's was to small for him to eat

 

[Chronowaster]

I think Red is getting the better side of this deal, sure Gary has moved on and gotten married, but Red getting a freaking fire breathing dragon.

 

[TimeLord]

Gary/Scrotum Oak hounds Red for fights for an entire game and I beat him down every time so the karma of him being haunted by Red for his entire life is perfectly justified.

 

[Jolly Co-operator]

In Red's defense, if I had a pet fire-breathing dragon and a friend who had a pet giant turtle with water cannons on its back for me to fight, I probably wouldn't want to give up that lifestyle either

 

[ResonanceSD]

I mean how would we treat a kid who kidnapped a wolf puppy, kept it in a cramped cage, took it to a dog fighting fighting ring, then walked around BY HIMSELF.

Eh its just a game I get it but the basic premise is almost as flawed as ME3

Have you actually played..any of the games? a lot of your points are addressed. By the game. which you've played(?)


Point 1. the pokeball turns things into energy and stores them. I don't see you championing the rights of electrons stored in/generated by a battery.



Unless you do, in which case, carry on.


Point 2. It isn't really kidnap. It's a) self defence b) capture of something that oddly enough, wants to be caught and is jealous of tame pokemon.

Point 3. What, adults can't walk around by themselves either? Giving a kid 6 living weapons and telling him to be on his way isn't actually that bad of an idea, seeing as everyone is doing it.


So to sum up, all of your criticisms have been dealt with in games/anime/manga.




I recommend you actually play the game.


EDIT: And your badass wolfkid? I'd probably give him a high five, for getting an angry wolf to stay in a cage.