Everyone who comes here should be welcomed and not have people posting comments--however uncommon--saying their sexuality is sick.Random Fella said:
"It's good enough" isn't good enough.
The Victims of Homosexuality
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"It's good enough" isn't good enough.
I like how you quoted one part of my comment, yet clearly didn't read the rest of it, otherwise you'd know what you just said was complete rubbish.Grey Day for Elcia said:
Probably because homosexuals still face alot of discrimination so people will continue to speak about it to spread awareness of the topic? Just because you don't see the discrimination doesn't mean it isn't there, as long as people experience it they'll continue to talk about it.Random Fella said:
And I don't understand the in-your-face thing, I haven't met many gays who will openly even admit that they are. It's a rarity.
Likely the reason you think they're ALL in your face is because the only ones you notice are the ones who make it known...
Considering the 6 pages of mostly agreeing people, it doesn't seem to be rubbish to many others.Random Fella said:
But hey, if you are as sick of these threads as you say, why post in one? Feel free to leave and ignore it entirely.
OP, you win the Internet. Seriously. I've not seen better arguments against homophobia on forums like this.
Me too........ I was ready to rage on this guy and call him a complete homophobic git.thaluikhain said:
( side note when I was little I thought the abbreviation homo meant homophobe not homosexual because it was completely illogical to, and my brain couldn't comprehend insulting someone by calling them gay.)
You have obviously never been bullied for an extended period of time.Skin said:
My entire 6th grade year was so horrifying I'd be lying if thoughts of suicide didn't cross my mind. But I made it to 7th, found decent human beings and the rest is history. But some people have to deal with much more than just one school year of that shit. And some of them just flat can't take it.
as always escapist manages to amaze me. I agree with the OP evne if his wording could have been better.
it is you who have not been bullied for and extended period of time. 6th grade? try 4-12 grades. now were talking.MorganL4 said:
Fluoxetine, I just want to say one last thing. People don't always figure out their sexuality right off the bat because, as I said, sexuality isn't black and white. Now that you're an adult, you simply need to understand and accept the reasoning behind his decisions and put yourself in his shoes. I know a girl who figured that she was bisexual at 10, while I also know that there are men and women that have kids and only end up discovering that they're homosexual later in their life. Or they pretended that they were heterosexual to fit in, to the extent that they formed a relationship and family purely because they were that afraid that their family and friends would find out and subsequently ostracize them.
Look, I don't know you or your father, or how he went about coming out the closet, so perhaps I'm not in the best position to be making judgements. Of course he has a responsibility, just as everyone, regardless of their sexuality or lack thereof, does. But you're sounding a bit selfish, not emphasizing with your father and putting a part of the blame on him rather than all of it on the bullies and this disgusting society that still percieves heterosexuality to be "the norm", when there is no norm, especially considering how much we humans have evolved in terms of knowledge, science, etc.
As for the "nature vs nature" debate, I think it's probably a combination of the two.
If people think that homosexuality is wrong because it's "against nature", then I guess we should all just start living like wild animals and throw our money into a wood chipper, because things like politics and economy are "against nature". Maybe we should kill chickens for food using our bare hands without cooking it, because otherwise, it would be "against nature". Maybe we shouldn't wear condoms and risk getting STDS, but it's OK because no condoms = more children, right? Otherwise, that would be "against nature". I could go on, but I think people get my point.
Look, I don't know you or your father, or how he went about coming out the closet, so perhaps I'm not in the best position to be making judgements. Of course he has a responsibility, just as everyone, regardless of their sexuality or lack thereof, does. But you're sounding a bit selfish, not emphasizing with your father and putting a part of the blame on him rather than all of it on the bullies and this disgusting society that still percieves heterosexuality to be "the norm", when there is no norm, especially considering how much we humans have evolved in terms of knowledge, science, etc.
As for the "nature vs nature" debate, I think it's probably a combination of the two.
If people think that homosexuality is wrong because it's "against nature", then I guess we should all just start living like wild animals and throw our money into a wood chipper, because things like politics and economy are "against nature". Maybe we should kill chickens for food using our bare hands without cooking it, because otherwise, it would be "against nature". Maybe we shouldn't wear condoms and risk getting STDS, but it's OK because no condoms = more children, right? Otherwise, that would be "against nature". I could go on, but I think people get my point.
Ok, this is the bit I can't agree on. Non-molesting or no, these people shouldn't get a free pass unless they are doing something to deal with their problems. Most child molesters started out as non-molesting. Many consider themselves "child lovers" and don't think what they are doing is harmful to the child. Bullshit. These people need counseling and possibly chemical castration.JoJo said:
It certainly doesn't help the homosexual/lesbian/bisexual/transgender cause by associating them with pedophiles. And truly, not all people should be treated with tolerance. We didn't treat the Nazis with tolerance. We don't, or shouldn't, treat bigots and misogynists with tolerance. Tolerance implies acceptance.
While I understand wanting to defend those with the tendencies who don't act on them, simply not acting on them isn't sufficient when the stakes are that high. And when we start tolerating and accepting it, it becomes the norm. I certainly don't want to bring a child into a world where its ok for people to sexualize them.
