The Victims of Homosexuality

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Homosexuality does have real victims who are harmed by their activities.

Religious people. Their egos are irreparably damaged by the knowledge that somewhere, someone is doing something their god said is wrong.

Alright, that is kinda funny, lol.

 

[Kriptonite]

But wouldn't you agreeing with that make you just as bad as the bigots in the first place?

Hmm.. could you explain that further?

Well, hate is the issue; so you hating on someone for their beliefs makes you, in a way, as much of a problem as them. Sure, in our eyes we are right and have the moral high ground, but ultimately it is all subjective.

So long as we all hate (just like I do, despite my best efforts at times) we can't all be happy together. Two way street and all that.

I agreed that I think people deserve what they wish on others. I do not think that makes me a bad person or a hater(in the actual sense, not the new bullshit hater), I think that is only fair. Also, if I were to receive what I wished upon those that do hate others for their differences, I would not get beaten or damned for eternity for that is not what I wish on people like that. I simply wish that people be allowed to do and say what they wish, as long as it is not harming others.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

This is absolutely true, but it needs to be extended to a wider net of people. You think homosexuals get it bad, try transgender, or androgynous, or asexual, or furry, or non-molesting pedophile/zoophile, or rape fetishist/sadomasochist, or moving away from sexual interests: fat people, or smokers, or Asperger's people, or those with body modifications.

None of those harm other people any more than homosexuals and the gender/sexual ones don't even choose to be what they are, but it's still widely acceptable to hate on any of those in both real-life and online, to say that it's weird or sick or disgusting or weak or just wrong or that it's fucked up or that it must be a sign of a deeper mental instability. Your words have real effects people. If someone isn't harming anyone-else, let them get on with their life and save your vitriol for people who those who are actively hurting others, it's not like they are in short supply.

It is a terrible social situation that pops up far too often. Someone who is in the minority in regards to sexuality, race, physical conditions or disease are looked at as deformed. Different =/= wrong but people would like the world to fit together perfectly. People want 'normal' people to have the voice and the power. Pushing those who are different into the shade harms both sides as 'normal' people aren't accustomed to dealing with the minority groups. Understanding and respect is difficult, bigotry is damned easy.

Also:

non-molesting pedophile

They can't help having that attraction, I know this. The moment a child is victimized is the moment that person changes from someone with a very odd (and to me disgusting) sexual fetish to a monster who should not be allowed to walk around in society. I'm not going to say execute them but I will say an offender should not be released unmonitored after serving his/her time.

I don't honestly care what two consensual adults do behind closed doors. I will raise my voice when a child is put in that kind of position.

A non-molesting pedophile I can tolerate. No CP, no touching children is fine. I'm not going to demand people get treated for being who they are if they can control themselves.

Well, that's my two cents.

 

[Adultism]

I'm one of those rare "real bi-sexuals" Who actually thinks that love doesn't have a gender.

Yet for some reason nobody has ever insulted me for being bi-sexual because they ask if I like women too, I say duh and they are instantly cool with it.

Unsure why. However I've dated men and women, I really have no preference as long as I'm attracted to you.

HOWEVER. I have seen some pretty bad hate out there. Whenever I see someone gay getting picked on I do stand up for them. But at the same time I think we just all need to tolerate eachother.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

But wouldn't you agreeing with that make you just as bad as the bigots in the first place?

Hmm.. could you explain that further?

Well, hate is the issue; so you hating on someone for their beliefs makes you, in a way, as much of a problem as them. Sure, in our eyes we are right and have the moral high ground, but ultimately it is all subjective.

So long as we all hate (just like I do, despite my best efforts at times) we can't all be happy together. Two way street and all that.

I agreed that I think people deserve what they wish on others. I do not think that makes me a bad person or a hater(in the actual sense, not the new bullshit hater), I think that is only fair. Also, if I were to receive what I wished upon those that do hate others for their differences, I would not get beaten or damned for eternity for that is not what I wish on people like that. I simply wish that people be allowed to do and say what they wish, as long as it is not harming others.

I'll explain it this way:

Person A wishes Person C would be beaten up.

Person B wishes Person A would be beaten up.

Now there are two people wanting a human being to be beaten up.

An eye for an eye doesn't work. If you wish harm or negativity on someone because they wish harm or negativity on someone, you are a hypocrite. This isn't an attack on you; I am just as guilty of hate and anger as anyone else. But we have to overcome it or we are just as bad as the people we disagree with.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

I'm one of those rare "real bi-sexuals" Who actually thinks that love doesn't have a gender.

Yet for some reason nobody has ever insulted me for being bi-sexual because they ask if I like women too, I say duh and they are instantly cool with it.

Unsure why. However I've dated men and women, I really have no preference as long as I'm attracted to you.

HOWEVER. I have seen some pretty bad hate out there. Whenever I see someone gay getting picked on I do stand up for them. But at the same time I think we just all need to tolerate eachother.

What you describe is pansexuality--a term meaning "gender blind", more or less. Pansexuals see humans are attractive beings and gender as irrelevant as eye colour. They are attracted to people not in spite of gender, but despite it entirely. Bisexuals, on the other hand, see women as women and men as men and are attracted to both in this way. Where a pansexual would see a beautiful woman or a cute man and see them as simply 'good looking humans', a bisexual would see a beautiful woman or a cute man.

Get me?

Not insulting you or anything like that. Just thought you'd like to know that--or maybe you do and don't care/disagree.

 

[WeAreStevo]

I agree strongly with the OP. I am myself a Homosexual I live in fear of anyone outside the nets finding out. My family, co-workers, etc are all strongly christian. I have a feeling I'll be disowned, fired, and possibly assaulted.

Just going through the news headlines where I see politicians call me evil or a bad influence. Shit I'm a former Eagle Scout, I've never even had a speeding ticket in my life. I live a strong law abiding life which i feel is very moral, perhaps even more moral than some Christians.

I don't want to hurt anyone, I still want to love my family. I just want to be treated like a normal human being. My boyfriend is an adult and we both choose to love each-other. We cook dinner, talk about music, make love, and watch movies just like any other couple we just arn't planning on children.

I don't understand how or why I am a bad person, or why I have to be actively persecuted.

You know, I was reading through all the posts, planning as so many before me have done in this thread of posting something to the effect of "My name is ____ and I approve of this message," throwing in my own viewpoint etc, but something about your post gave me pause.

Maybe it's because I have several friends in the same boat as you. Maybe it's because I had a friend commit suicide earlier this week (unrelated, but it did change my perspective on things greatly) but I wanted to say this:

Fuck them.

Seriously. I'm sure they are all really nice people, but under no circumstances should you ever feel bad for being who you are. As a person who highly values individuality, who has had to defend himself in his professional life (people look down upon professional, soon-to-be counselors who have massive amounts of tattoos and a septum ring), and who has had to defend his spiritual beliefs (pagan) to his staunch, Roman Catholic parents, I want to tell you that you are just fine the way you are. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Just realize that those spouting all that hate are the ones with the problem, not you.

OT: As a "straight ally" I completely agree with the OP's take on this. I was raging earlier with a friend who identifies as queer about how ridiculous it is that these hate groups are coming out and bashing on the LGBT community for what essentially boils down to their wish to love another human being. Using "God" as a shield to push their own venomous agenda onto others is vile, evil and just plain wrong. I think if Jesus (actual Jesus, not "American" Jesus) were alive today, they would call him a socialist-leftist-hippie who is the leader of a cult. Why? Because they are so out of touch with reality. Thankfully the younger generation is taking over and the older generation is dying off. I cannot wait for the day when my children are shocked about the abhorrent treatment that the LGBT community received because it's no longer an issue...

P.S. Bravo escapist! It pleases me greatly that there are no homophobic people spouting slurs and generally trolling the forums. I am not disappoint.

 

[Kriptonite]

I'll explain it this way:

Person A wishes Person C would be beaten up.

Person B wishes Person A would be beaten up.

Now there are two people wanting a human being to be beaten up.

An eye for an eye doesn't work. If you wish harm or negativity on someone because they wish harm or negativity on someone, you are a hypocrite. This isn't an attack on you; I am just as guilty of hate and anger as anyone else. But we have to overcome it or we are just as bad as the people we disagree with.

I completely understand and agree with what you're saying, that people should not wish harm on one another. I'm saying the people that wish harm on others could understand the people they wish harm on. Much (if not all) hate, discrimination, racism, prejudice, etc. comes from misunderstanding. Maybe person A was raised by misguided parents or some similar situation, but it usually boils down to misunderstanding and if that was eliminated-my wish-most of the negative behaviors would vanish along with it.
Also, I cannot see how fairness can be considered hypocritical. People should not harm others, period. However, if they do, how is it unfair when, or if, it is reciprocated?

 

[Relish in Chaos]

I'm one of those rare "real bi-sexuals" Who actually thinks that love doesn't have a gender.

Yet for some reason nobody has ever insulted me for being bi-sexual because they ask if I like women too, I say duh and they are instantly cool with it.

Unsure why. However I've dated men and women, I really have no preference as long as I'm attracted to you.

You would probably be classed as a "pansexual" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality] then, although I technically don't believe in labels like that because sexuality is fluid and not black-and-white. Personally, I'm what you'd class as "heterosexual" and have only ever fancied women, although I've had numerous fantasies involving only men or focusing primarily on them in certain scenarios.

Even the homophobic bullies themselves may not be entirely "heterosexual", if at all, even if they don't want to admit it. So you've got to feel sorry for them, since they're insecure about their sexuality and project that rage onto others.

 

[tthor]

wrong forums, majority of people here are pro LGBT rights. Go find a different demographic to argue with.

Does fox news have forums?

 

[Hobohodo]

Personally, myself, as a Christian, I have no problem with gay people, it doesn't affect me in any which way, and why should it? I'm not into it, but, I am supposed to show love towards EVERYONE. These day's though, I feel that everyone is jumping on a bandwagon, to constantly point out the OP point's, and it's getting a ridiculous amount of posts... It's only going to encourage it all in my opinion.

There's one thing I can't stand, and I hope people don't take this the wrong way, but I personally, can't stand people who 'self-victimize' themselves, for example, I have seen recently that, someone I know, has come out to be gay, which is no problem, but they go out of their way to point this out constantly, making jokes about it etc. Then, if anyone join's in, they are told they are 'wrong', and that it is 'bullying' or 'discrimination', I believe personally, that, you shouldn't almost encourage other people to make the jokes, or make the jokes yourself, if you don't want anyone else to. I don't make the jokes personally, but I know this person has alienated people by victimizing themselves, and it really isn't all that fair.

Homosexuality does have real victims who are harmed by their activities.

Religious people. Their egos are irreparably damaged by the knowledge that somewhere, someone is doing something their god said is wrong.

That is an incredibly ignorant thing to say, you know, not ALL religious people have a problem with it. In fact, the Catholic church accepts homosexuals, so, really, you can't say that for every religion. Making a satirical point like that doesn't really make you look big.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Also, I cannot see how fairness can be considered hypocritical. People should not harm others, period. However, if they do, how is it unfair when, or if, it is reciprocated?

"Don't harm someone or I'll harm you."

You can't see the hypocrisy in it? You're suggesting causing harm is bad (and I agree) and that people shouldn't do it. But you are also suggesting it is okay to cause harm to someone if they caused harm to someone.

It's a circle of logic.

A hurts B hurts A hurts B hurts A, etc., etc.

 

[Vault101]

Homosexuality does have real victims who are harmed by their activities.

Religious people. Their egos are irreparably damaged by the knowledge that somewhere, someone is doing something their god said is wrong.

That is an incredibly ignorant thing to say, you know, not ALL religious people have a problem with it. In fact, the Catholic church accepts homosexuals, so, really, you can't say that for every religion. Making a satirical point like that doesn't really make you look big.

he probably knows that...

its just a generalisation, because when it comes down to it, the only reason behined objecting to Homosexuality tends to be religious, thats where the strongest oposition comes from, do ALL peopel with faith follow that? no of coarse not (just like plently of religious people belive in evolution, and the its the ignorant nuts that stick to their guns with creationism)

but hold on...the catholic church accept homosexuality?...thats news to me, I have heard that technically within christianity being gay is ok, but the "act" is not, so you can be gay without acting upon your desires

 

[aba1]

God I wish people in the states would just get past this so I don't have to keep hearing about it. I don't think it takes a genius to see it doesn't matter if someone is gay.

 

[Vault101]

but hold on...the catholic church accept homosexuality?...thats news to me, I have heard that technically within christianity being gay is ok, but the "act" is not, so you can be gay without acting upon your desires

They accept the orientation existing, but not them having sex, so you're about right. At least as far as I know. So not really much acceptance. Just a bit of an improvement over the crazy people who think it can be prayed away.

wasnt it back in the day...if somone was gay (or thourght to be gay) then they would become a preist for that reason?

then again theres that whole pedofile preist thing and I wouldnt want to group pedopheilia and homosexuality together..

but yeah....I guess its good and all if you want to be a preist/nun...but it really doesnt change anything