The "What's the best" kids are ruining online fun

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Rezfon

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Some of my friends and I somehow got into the topic of the people who choose a certain character or item in-game because either the top players use/have it, it is a very cheap character/item to use or is the most glorified (which does not mean it is a good item/character). Variety is the spice of life but we have come across a lot of instances where almost everyone uses the same thing. While there is a lot of times this happens, for the purpose of staying away from the great wall of text syndrome I will only list a few recognisable things.

Anyone who has played a driving game will most likely have found a single car to be the most used. The vast number of people plaguing online forums asking what is the best car to use. Despite the number of veterans that go on to say there is no best car and it is all down to your play style, they will still continue to ask these questions.

If you have ever browsed the World of Warcraft forums, there is an incredibly large number of people who ask what is the best race or what is the best class. I don't think this needs explaining.

In fighting games, most recently Street Fighter 4, people online will have come across the incredibly large number of people playing as one character. Out of 20 matches I have played on Street fighter 4, 17 of them were against ken, 1 as sagat, 1 against akuma and the last one was against ryu. Personally I choose to go as Fei Long, I haven't faced anyone as him yet so a lot of the time people don't really know what to expect. On the topic of the number of people playing as ken, most of the only use 3 moves: hadoken, shoryuken and grab. It really takes the fun away as every fight feels the same for me as there isn't enough variety.

It can be seen as natural instinct to want to have the best character/item and try to be the best, but it seems to take away the true fun from the game as it makes it feel samey.

What sort of experiences have you had with this sort of behaviour and how do you feel about it?
 

rossatdi

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I think with SFIV there's probably a case of familiarity. Every gamer knows how to sling a fireball. I bet with time it'll spread out as people grow bored with their own choices.

As to the problem in general it's actually something that has afflicted non-video gaming as well. Case in point Games Workshop (particularly 40k). Over the last 5 years I observed a trend of power gaming appearing. People started to name army lists in the way that Magic the Gathering has done for years. The Fish O'Fury, Demon Bomb, Min-Maxing, etc. And it sucks.

For me personally winning is very important, but it's not so important I want to do it in a cheap way. Yes I use the M16 in CoD4 but that's because I love the way it handles with stopping power and steady aim. I wouldn't use it just to win.
 

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rossatdi said:
As to the problem in general it's actually something that has afflicted non-video gaming as well. Case in point Games Workshop (particularly 40k). Over the last 5 years I observed a trend of power gaming appearing. People started to name army lists in the way that Magic the Gathering has done for years. The Fish O'Fury, Demon Bomb, Min-Maxing, etc. And it sucks.
that also reminds me of something else, when I used to collect warhammer 40k I was the only out of my friends who never collected Space Marines. I personally choose chaos as I was more into the painting side, but my friends were into the actual playing part. I once went along to a match of theirs and it was 4 different teams of space marines.
 

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I know what you mean about Street Fighter 4. Ken/Ryu is all you ever see-- I've been playing Cammy despite my friends' insistence that she's "one of the shittiest characters."
 

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They did it in Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe with Flash (I like Flash but for reasons other then the game). Its the nature of fighting games. People use the easiest character or the one that kicks their teeth down their throats. Usually that is the same one.
 

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Rezfon said:
rossatdi said:
As to the problem in general it's actually something that has afflicted non-video gaming as well. Case in point Games Workshop (particularly 40k). Over the last 5 years I observed a trend of power gaming appearing. People started to name army lists in the way that Magic the Gathering has done for years. The Fish O'Fury, Demon Bomb, Min-Maxing, etc. And it sucks.
that also reminds me of something else, when I used to collect warhammer 40k I was the only out of my friends who never collected Space Marines. I personally choose chaos as I was more into the painting side, but my friends were into the actual playing part. I once went along to a match of theirs and it was 4 different teams of space marines.
This is why I play Eldar. Always a different way to play, always a new way to kick the asses off of Space Marines.
 

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This is kind of like the topm league thing where everyone has roughly the same gear because it is the best made. It happens in everything.
 

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I have to admit that THQ and Relic aren't helping matters with their overwhelming sense of Space Marine worship that grows ever more apparent and sickly with each new game that comes out. Hell they couldn't even be arsed to put together a decent movie for the Imperial Guard, Emperor-bothering Sisters and Tau. But yeah... Imperial Guard for me.

Anyways. Yes. Tis the one reason I stopped playing Warcraft since the demand to spec a certain way became somewhat incessant and annoying as the sheer number of people specced the same way (the winning way apparently) grew and grew.

On a side note, if only the Space Marine players realised that all Space Marines are most likely sterile and only have big guns as compensation.
 

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If any on has played starcraft online, you will find that many people will pick Protoss as their them, and very few people pick Zerg. The reason is the they are in general more powerful unites with shield. Even thought all the teams are well balanced Protoss wins out.
 

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I find the popular choice becomes the most boring. I like to switch it up in any game I play.
 

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I had this problem in Soul Calibur 4. Everyone online plays as Kilik because its easy to string combos by just jamming buttons. Funny thing is, when they actually come up against a competent Kilik player (i.e. Me) they have no idea what is going on. Learn the more difficult combos, and any masher will have a tough time touching you.
 

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I'm never the popular choice.

When playing Fifa I play as my local club Arsenal - I see so many Manchester UTD's or Barcelona's its not even funny...

Soul Calibur 4 - Siegfried, Mistrarugui (yes I know I can't spell) Kilk or Cervantes are also over-used because they have powerful quick attacks that people spam, those 4 are easily the "noobiest" characters in the game. As a result I ended up using Voldo.

I like to mix it up, sure I may lose a few times,(except on Fifa =D) but I prefer strategy to mindless spam anyday.
 

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This happened to me in a Soul Calibur III tournament (really informal and casual, we barely got to 16 players). Of the 16, 10 used Siegfried or Nightmare. The other 6 were Setsuka (me), Kilik, Cervantes, Raphael, Seong Mi-Na, and I can't remember whether the sixth was Sophitia or Cassandra.
Not only did more than half the players pick the predictable Nightmare/Siegfried, they all fought the same way too. Nothing that Setsuka coulnd't handle, she's just too quick for them. I ended up losing to Cervantes in the final.
 

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Gxas said:
I had this problem in Soul Calibur 4. Everyone online plays as Kilik because its easy to string combos by just jamming buttons. Funny thing is, when they actually come up against a competent Kilik player (i.e. Me) they have no idea what is going on. Learn the more difficult combos, and any masher will have a tough time touching you.
Me and my brother have been playing Soul Calibur for 9 years in various formats. His best is Kilik and mine is Mitsurugi. You have to know your shit to stop a good Kilik player from slaughtering you. I definitely agree with you though, watching him play Kilik vs. Kilik online is frankly hilarious against the poor button mashing fools on the other end.
 

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D_987 said:
I'm never the popular choice.

When playing Fifa I play as my local club Arsenal - I see so many Manchester UTD's or Barcelona's its not even funny...

Soul Calibur 4 - Siegfried, Mistrarugui (yes I know I can't spell) Kilk or Cervantes are also over-used because they have powerful quick attacks that people spam, those 4 are easily the "noobiest" characters in the game. As a result I ended up using Voldo.

I like to mix it up, sure I may lose a few times,(except on Fifa =D) but I prefer strategy to mindless spam anyday.
Mitsurugi is a dangerous choice though. Against people that know what they're doing he is weak against fast quick character & long rangers. Personally I find he is the best at mid-range but you have to totally control the pace of the game with him otherwise you're fragged. But then I've been playing SC games for almost a decade!
 

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rossatdi said:
D_987 said:
Mitsurugi is a dangerous choice though. Against people that know what they're doing he is weak against fast quick character & long rangers. Personally I find he is the best at mid-range but you have to totally control the pace of the game with him otherwise you're fragged. But then I've been playing SC games for almost a decade!
Well the problem with 4 is how easy they've made it to grab, as stated I play with Volvo and Mitsurugi is a pain because hes fast, has easy combos and powerful moves. Sometimes I can barely get near him...and don't even get me started on Kilik...I've now played Soul Calibur's 1 - 4 but still cannot deal with move spammers =(
 

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rossatdi said:
Gxas said:
I had this problem in Soul Calibur 4. Everyone online plays as Kilik because its easy to string combos by just jamming buttons. Funny thing is, when they actually come up against a competent Kilik player (i.e. Me) they have no idea what is going on. Learn the more difficult combos, and any masher will have a tough time touching you.
Me and my brother have been playing Soul Calibur for 9 years in various formats. His best is Kilik and mine is Mitsurugi. You have to know your shit to stop a good Kilik player from slaughtering you. I definitely agree with you though, watching him play Kilik vs. Kilik online is frankly hilarious against the poor button mashing fools on the other end.
True. I consider myself an expert Setsuka player, but I still can barely hold my own against a really good Kilik. She just doesn't have the range (well, she has a few dive/lunge attacks that are useful, but still not quite enough). Kilik's more advanced are quick, powerful, and they have so many variations that it's difficult to be prepared.
Too bad there aren't many beginner Setsukas online, those are fun to slaughter.
 

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naruto games are bad for that, i play as shikamru while everyone plays ans rock lee, getsboring after a while
 

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I always go against the grain and pick something that is nothing like whats "popular".

For example, when I played Guild Wars my main character was a Necromancer with the secondary profession of Warrior. She didn't have any minion raising skills like what damn near everyone else had, only life stealing spells and close-combat skills. Even after the game has been out for this long a build like this is just completely unheard of. People don't know what to expect of a character like that.

That is the main reason I avoid the popular options: people simply don't know what to expect when you decide to do something else. For those reasons I always played Azuka Kasima in Tekken 5, I played the Pyro in Team Fortress 2 before it was considered "cool" and back when I still played W40k I was the only one that played Tau. Who knows, everyone could end up copying you after you kick enough ass.
 

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D_987 said:
rossatdi said:
D_987 said:
Mitsurugi is a dangerous choice though. Against people that know what they're doing he is weak against fast quick character & long rangers. Personally I find he is the best at mid-range but you have to totally control the pace of the game with him otherwise you're fragged. But then I've been playing SC games for almost a decade!
Well the problem with 4 is how easy they've made it to grab, as stated I play with Volvo and Mitsurugi is a pain because hes fast, has easy combos and powerful moves. Sometimes I can barely get near him...and don't even get me started on Kilik...I've now played Soul Calibur's 1 - 4 but still cannot deal with move spammers =(
i have the same problem as I like to play with Yoshimitsu, but a lot of my combos require me to be close as I like to air juggle them. when I went against a move spammer who played as any of those long range characters I have a quite a large problem as they never let me get close