The World of Skyrim Means Nothing...

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Emiscary

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It's the freedom you're allowed when interacting with it that matters.

Honestly, was anybody all that attached to Skyrim as a setting? I mean sure it was pretty, but it's populated by mindless drones who all seem to be reading from the same sheet in similar voices. And let's be honest, nothing about Skyrim in an of itself is all that original. It's Norse mythology dressed up with some political commentary about racial tensions. Only really interesting things about it are the things that get explored/discussed the least (The Daedra/Aedra dichotomy, The Dwemer). So all in all, it's a pretty standard heroic fantasy setting.

What makes it so appealing? The fact that I'm not leashed/railroaded nearly as much as in other RPGs. If they got rid of a few character's (and children's) inexplicable invulnerability to death or harm it'd be downright spectacular.

Here's why: every RPG you've ever played casts you as an immortal unstoppable badass with magic powers clothed in artifacts drawn from the hoary mists of legend- who's forced to put up with the nonsense of unwashed peasants, nobly sacrifice himself when prompted and fall in love with whatever perky set of tits first walks on set.

Notice how things took a left turn at the end there? It's because when RPGs pigeonhole you like that it's like being put on a leash by the devs.

"You've got alllll this power, but you're not allowed to use it how you want. No, you're gonna go save the land now. Yes, the land full of racist assholes. Yes, I know you don't like either of the factions you have the choice of siding with. Yes, I know you'd like to kill the smug prick who tried to have you executed. But too bad. I wanna write a standard heroic saga. Now go sit in the corner quietly and wait for the cutscene in which you demonstrate your heroic qualities to finish. Then you can get bossed around by some prick NPCs who've been blessed with plot armor."

And it's *annoying*. Simply because not everybody is wired that way. Not everybody is interested in hearing the tale of John Everyman climbing to the top of the mountain to slay the dragon because he's either got a really tiny cock or an insane amount of self righteousness.

So the fact that Skyrim gives me the option to do what I wanna do? To up and murder the mysterious woman who kidnapped me in my sleep and then go slaughter her whole family? To wolf out and clear the streets when a guard decides it'd be a great idea to pick a fight with the Dragonborn over 5 coins? WONDERFUL. Give me more of that.

The PC in an RPG is the ubermensch. He's a time traveling (by dint of save/load) immortal (by dint of respawn) unstoppable (by dint of persistence) badass (automatically). So stop forcing him to be a good boy and go along with the motions in the name of laziness/corner cutting. Let him off the damned leash already. You're so close as it is... you just need to tweak a few more things...
 

Rawne1980

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And besides mods that is the thing I love about those open world games.

You can do whatever the hell you want.

I got 135 hours of gameplay in Skyrim before I got round to doing the main quest line. I've got, literally, thousands of hours put into Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Purely because you can do things however the hell you feel like and then crack around with mods afterwards.

Nearly every other RPG gets about 20-30 hours of my time to complete them then go back to the store to be exchanged.
 

Zhukov

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Here's my problem: why do I want to do any of that?

You can do damn near anything, but the world can't react in a believable way to any of it. Why bother killing a person when it's just a puppet with no identity? Besides, how much freedom do you really have? How many ways can you interact with the world aside from killing people and taking their stuff?

I'd rather a game that restricts my freedom, prohibitively if necessary, but provides a world and characters that react to my actions.

And no, having guards say, "Perhaps you can brew me some ale" when I get 50 points in alchemy is not sufficient.
 

Jynthor

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My only problem with the world is the characters.
Name me one memorable character you met in Skyrim.
Yeah, thought so.
 

NinjaDeathSlap

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Jynthor said:
My only problem with the world is the characters.
Name me one memorable character you met in Skyrim.
Yeah, thought so.
Well, I liked the Dark Elf Girl and the Scottish Dude from the Thieves Guild. Granted I can't remember their names but I liked them. The Argonian from the Dark Brotherhood was a pretty cool guy as well.

I do like the fact that Skyrim has so much more freedom than other RPG's, but OP, if every fantasy RPG copied Skyrim's way of doing things, would that just make the formula as dull and stale as what you're complaining about? Different games, even from the same genre, have their own approaches to gameplay and storytelling, and more variety is always a good thing.
 

Dandark

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Yeah the world doesn't really react to you at all and it is kinda dead but im happy enough with it. Skyrim is all about making your own character and then going to kill things, for me at least.

I found it to be pretty fun and I would say it delivered what I would expect from an Elder scrolls game.

Now if I want a world that feels alive which I can actully get involved in then I can go play Mount and Blade: Warband with the Pendor mod.
 

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Jynthor said:
My only problem with the world is the characters.
Name me one memorable character you met in Skyrim.
Yeah, thought so.
j'zargo he was the best character in the game. he was also the first khajit i ever met (skyrim was my first elder scrolls game)

edit: forgot to quote you
 

Tazzy da Devil

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Jynthor said:
My only problem with the world is the characters.
Name me one memorable character you met in Skyrim.
Yeah, thought so.
I dunno, I thought Cicero was pretty memorable. As soon as I was able to, I kept him as my companion for the rest of the game, just because I liked the things he said.
 

Atmos Duality

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The books in TES have always been very good at holding my attention.
Far moreso than the characters.

As for memorable characters from TES in general...
Crassius Curio was particularly memorable, as was anything involving Sheogorath, the Mad Prince (Shivering Isles makes up for a lot of the incredibly dull conversations in Oblivion).
There's just too much space to fill with generic quests for Bethesda to focus on making characters memorable.

(until the retarded meme-mongers arrive anyway)

Though that's coming from a backlog of lore throughout the series.
 

Thatrocketeer

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Jynthor said:
My only problem with the world is the characters.
Name me one memorable character you met in Skyrim.
Yeah, thought so.
Lydia, that "I'm sworn to carry your burdens" line annoyed me at first, but then it grew on me, I then decided to always keep her alive because I like a sassy companion.

SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Fuck Skyrim. Just wait... You just wait...

Until SureAI unveil Projekt 5 and descend from the fucking heavens to make another total conversion and fucking beat Bethesda and their pathetic effort on a budget of 2 cents and a piece of string.

Nehrim was populated by nameless NPCs that always said the same thing and you STILL cared about the world, because the few main characters were fleshed out and the main quest was engrossing. Thats how you fucking do it, Bethesda.
Was Nehrim translated completely in english? Last I checked their translation was still in beta, still had a lot of lines untranslated, granted I only checked this time last year, but was the translation ever finished?
 

Jynthor

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Tazzy da Devil said:
Jynthor said:
My only problem with the world is the characters.
Name me one memorable character you met in Skyrim.
Yeah, thought so.
I dunno, I thought Cicero was pretty memorable. As soon as I was able to, I kept him as my companion for the rest of the game, just because I liked the things he said.
Cicero is no Glarthir, Fargoth or Adoring Fan. Hehe.
 

Lucem712

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I imagine it's very hard to make such a large world and fill it with very memorable characters. Although, I'd disagree about there not being a single one. Paarthurnax. I love that old dragon. I also have a-lot of scorn toward Delphine, she's kind of a *****.
 

Thatrocketeer

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
The English language pack has been released and its finished.

I cant say how good or complete it is though, I always played Nehrim in German. If your internet is decent its worth trying out.
Oh, cool. Finally, they've finished the translation. Dammit. Now I have to cancel my plans for the next few weeks.
 

Rooster Cogburn

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Are you just saying you want to be able to kill whoever you want, and you want weaker guards? That's exactly what Morrowind was like, and it was pretty awesome. I literally used to fly around wiping out the inhabitants of entire towns with exploding cold spells (there were lots of Dunmer, of course, so no fire). And that was on a console. I miss that for sure. But, as with all things good, Bethesda got rid of it so the stupids wouldn't mess up their game and get mad. The amount this series has changed just so Glen Beck can get through the starter dungeon is mind boggling when you think about it.
 

Lilani

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Jynthor said:
My only problem with the world is the characters.
Name me one memorable character you met in Skyrim.
Yeah, thought so.
There are a few characters memorable to me, but yeah I know what you mean. I found myself much more engaged with the NPCs in the world of Final Fantasy XI--and none of their dialog is voiced.

What REALLY bothered me was after I killed Ulfric and completed that storyline, everybody went on talking about Ulfric and the Stormcloaks as though we never even took over Windhelm. Really, that is one of the MAIN storylines of Skyrim. You start the game with the decision of Stormcloaks or Imperials then you're practically slapped in the face with it throughout all of your encounters in the other jarls. At least give me something, a changing of the flags and maybe a few more songs that the bards sing in the taverns.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Fuck Skyrim. Just wait... You just wait...

Until SureAI unveil Projekt 5 and descend from the fucking heavens to make another total conversion and fucking beat Bethesda and their pathetic effort on a budget of 2 cents and a piece of string.

Nehrim was populated by nameless NPCs that always said the same thing and you STILL cared about the world, because the few main characters were fleshed out and the main quest was engrossing. Thats how you fucking do it, Bethesda.
Nehrim would not have been possible without Bethesda's work. Not that Nehrim isn't a fucking work of art, but the fact remains.