you cant really say that until E3 has come and gone, major nelson and numerous others confirmed that e3 is gonna be all about games. just take a chill pill until all is revealed,then make your choices and judgmentskiri2tsubasa said:
The Xbone Isn't Meant For Core Gamers
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Not just here, go to ign and other places like this, its unbelievable how much this hate train is picking up steam from speculation alone!StayCalmAndHateXbox said:
It was. In fact, it was absolutely horrendous.erttheking said:
Yet, Microsoft found a way to make it worse.
Gotta give 'em props for that. I was convinced they couldn't do it.
That does absolutely nothing to address anything I said, you simply restated the premise that I had a problem with. If you're stating that you don't think there's any way that someone who is able to spend 400 dollars on a system can afford to spend 600, can you please explain to me why the same doesn't hold true between 600 and 800 dollars or between 800 and 1000? It's the same difference in money between each increment at what value do we draw the line and say that a statement like that is no longer valid, and what are your criteria for choosing this number? From where i'm sitting I don't seem to see any real logical difference between those 3 claims. So it would help if you could actually state why what I said is incorrect instead of just repeating the statement that I took issue with wit no further justification, unless you know,you actually don't have an actual way to address my problems with your line of reasoning.LT Cannibal 68 said:
Or hell to use some more practical example of why this is simply a bad idea for sales:
Person A is a gamer who currently does not own an HD TV. Person A is excited for the new console generation and is planning to get the new console on launch day. He knows that spending $400 at once on an entertainment device is a bit much, but he's willing to stretch his wallet that far so that he can get access to the next-gen games. Person A then finds out that the new xbox isn't compatible with his current TV and he'd have to buy a new one to use it. Person A then notices that Next-Gen Console Y is around the same price as the new xbox, but is compatible with SD tvs. Person A decides to buy that console instead and microsoft loses a sale.
Person B is a gamer living with his wife and two kids. He's been gaming since he was a kid and likes to keep up with the current releases when he can. The family owns multiple tvs, but only the main one in the living room is HD. Person B wants to get the new xbox and put it in his room since he knows other people are going to want to use the main tv for things other than gaming for the majority of the time he'd be able to play. Person B then finds out that the Xbox isn't compatible with SD tvs. He can afford to get a new tv in his room, but his wife puts her foot down saying "we are not spending an extra 200 dollars on a new tv, when the old one still works perfectly fine just so you can hook up the xbox." Microsoft loses the sale to a console that supports SD tvs.
Person C is a College student currently living in the dorms at his university and wants to get the new Xbox to put in his dorm room. The 400 dollar price tag on the new xbox is a bit of a stretch for him, but He's willing to start putting money aside to save up for it. Person C then finds out that he'd have to also save up for an entirely new TV as well in order to use the Xbox which is going to cost about half the price of the system itself. Person C then decides that he'll just choose a console that supports SD instead because that's much more affordable to him and Microsoft loses the sale.
Also in my experience, out of all the people I know, there was only 1 family tat owned more than 1 HD TV, and I knew several that didn't even own 1. I didn't exactly grow up in a poor area either, the median household income is right around $75,000 (which is just about the same as Orange County, CA) with a per capita income of just above 38,000 (which is about $4000 higher than Orange County CA).
So? Except for maybe the Sega generation, only the PS1 and PS2 had same/similar control support and even then it was iffy.
Unless it's the exact same controller (design) that adds nothing on a technical scale that requires you to buy more for the sake of selling more would this be a problem.
It is if you are messured and have realistic selling goals. Since publishers seem not to do that, you are right, focusing core gamers is a terrible idea and I remain exceptic about the future doom of Xbox One; it reminds me of a lot of nerd threads about how inferior the iPod and iPhone are, then posters seem to forget the fucking obvious, they are not the intended market and Microsoft decided to ditch them as possible consumers in favour of other segments.Gatx said:
The DRM however seems like a stretch, I will love to see if consumers care or not.
OT: I will consider buying one when/if Marvel vs Capcom gets a new edition, and if I have money to spare on a console just for a game and the PS4 is an inferior experience. The chance of me getting a Xbox one so far seems to be around 30% but none of this announcements hurt it, because I would just use it for fighting games.
In fact, since it's coming out on the 360, it may not really turn heads at all.Genocidicles said:
I'm still really confused about something. Don't most of us already have a machine that can do everything that the XBone is claiming and then some without having to subject ourselves to a single companies policy's and limitations? You know, a PC? I would think that a company responsible for the Operating system installed in most PC's would already be aware of the existence of PC's. Given the price points and limitations of the XBone, i dont understand what the incentive here is supposed to be. Is it really this cost effective to make a bunch of unpopular consoles just to push people to buy pc's with their new crappy windows 8 operating system to make it look like less of a failure by comparison? Just seems like such a backwards strategy, but its the only thing that makes any sense about any of the news regarding the XBone.
Well, all of this seems to still boil down to the notion that Microsoft has taken Doom Guy's double-barreled shotgun and blasted themselves in the foot, both barrels. The pain is excruciating, the blood is everywhere, and yet they grin thinking that everything will be alright, because their machine is still just a stale knockoff of somebody else who did the work first. They can only afford to keep up with this because Microsoft is rich off of its other products, but the have a number of products that have not done well lately, and this one might be the biggest yet because it shows no sign of them having learned.
Have to agree with the thread starter here. (Mostly, anyway... I can't hate the dudebros just for being dudebros, and I like Call of Duty... its sort of a fringe interest for me but it's fun to hear those homophobic dudebros whine when I kill them) Microsoft really set the tone for the next generation with this reveal, people keep defending them with "they'll show games at E3 you whiners!", but then what was the point of this reveal then? (Yeah I saw the video TVTVTVsportsportscallofdutycallofduty lol) Can't blame people for feeling left out. My expectations were super-super-low for this reveal, and I was still kinda surprised, they offered me absolutely nothing.
http://www.develop-online.net/news/44271/Confusion-surrounds-built-in-Xbox-One-DRM
have been stating it as fact, or am I mistaken? I think microsoft suggested that it will have a phone-home-once-a-day-or-no-game-for-you function. Which seems to be an odd thing to "suggest" if they didn't plan on following through, so maybe they might backpedal if people hate it enough? Don't tell us to not ***** about it when our bitching might be a factor in getting this policy changed. That really irritates me in a way that's hard to convey with text, people didn't pull this out of thin air, microsoft gave us very little to react to, don't you dare tell people to not react to reasonable predictions based on what we've been told through microsoft double-speak. If a theory becomes rampantly spread and microsoft comes out and says "no its not true" then you can tell somebody how wrong they are, not before. I hate wait-and-see whiners, I wanna talk about this now, nobody forced you to join the conversation.
Gotta say, I find it odd that people are so quick to come to Microsoft's defense, but none of them stated what they liked about the reveal. It must be tough to keep your hopes up when people like Uncanny keeping peeing on them.
And yeah it creeps me out that the Xbone is always listening to you, not to mention the patent microsoft owns for a system that counts how many people are watching a show and penalizes you if it passes a certain number. This functionality crosses a line in my mind, and people call this paranoid? I'm not keeping my urine in jars here man, I see a possibility where somebody could use this technology to my detriment, you think I'm paranoid, I think you live in a fantasy land of unicorns and Easter bunnies.
People have been calling this speculation... is it though? The articles I've read
http://www.develop-online.net/news/44271/Confusion-surrounds-built-in-Xbox-One-DRM
have been stating it as fact, or am I mistaken? I think microsoft suggested that it will have a phone-home-once-a-day-or-no-game-for-you function. Which seems to be an odd thing to "suggest" if they didn't plan on following through, so maybe they might backpedal if people hate it enough? Don't tell us to not ***** about it when our bitching might be a factor in getting this policy changed. That really irritates me in a way that's hard to convey with text, people didn't pull this out of thin air, microsoft gave us very little to react to, don't you dare tell people to not react to reasonable predictions based on what we've been told through microsoft double-speak. If a theory becomes rampantly spread and microsoft comes out and says "no its not true" then you can tell somebody how wrong they are, not before. I hate wait-and-see whiners, I wanna talk about this now, nobody forced you to join the conversation.
Gotta say, I find it odd that people are so quick to come to Microsoft's defense, but none of them stated what they liked about the reveal. It must be tough to keep your hopes up when people like Uncanny keeping peeing on them.
I find that a little grating myself. I mean, people defended that with "new system new controllers deal-with-it" but now that we are basically recycling last gens controllers each generation I don't think it's completely absurd to ask for some backwards compatibility (lol) in that department. Sure last gen they put USB ports and wireless on the 360 and that was an awesome idea but this gen they couldn't even add one fake button or suggest some sort of sensitivity or special feature that justifies making people buy new controllers? I mean, it's a little much to expect SDTV support at this stage, but forcing people to buy new controllers that are functionally identical to the ones people already own? I mean, with a bare minimum of effort they could come up with some sort of half-decent excuse, but they didn't even care enough to do that... because they know people will just go along with it...
Dude that is awesome you are a genius. I will spread this idea and we will call it the SonOfVoorhees movement.SonOfVoorhees said:I cant wait for the xbone to be released. Im gonna drive around town shouting "xbox off" through a megaphone.
And yeah it creeps me out that the Xbone is always listening to you, not to mention the patent microsoft owns for a system that counts how many people are watching a show and penalizes you if it passes a certain number. This functionality crosses a line in my mind, and people call this paranoid? I'm not keeping my urine in jars here man, I see a possibility where somebody could use this technology to my detriment, you think I'm paranoid, I think you live in a fantasy land of unicorns and Easter bunnies.
I was in the "I might get this" stage until they announced the need to connect once every 24 hours. I can handle alot of shit from a console, but I will not stand for "almost always online"
It's quite terrible if you get caught in the middle of it. Certainly ruined the majority of my college life.Treeinthewoods said:
But otherwise I don't see why it matters in the gaming world.
Just be careful you only have your allotted number of viewers in front of the TV or you may face added charges.Treeinthewoods said:
No, I think it's aimed at everyone, core gamers and regular users alike. Microsoft is just so arrogant that they believe they don't need to convince core gamers to buy their product.
The strangest thing I thought about yesterday was... who would buy an Xbox one ONLY to surf the internet, use that fantasy sports thingy, watch sports, watch TV and/or make countless puns on the "Xbox, go home" command?
People who want such things will be probably turned off by the price, people who want to game will have useless things clogging up the console that they could probably use once or twice.
People who want such things will be probably turned off by the price, people who want to game will have useless things clogging up the console that they could probably use once or twice.
Yeah..Zhukov said:
The endless threads filled with jackasses doing their utmost best to ruin entertainment that they don't particularly care for, but others might enjoy have burned me out. The sexism threads. The anti-realism threads. Against this, hate that, *****, piss, moan & loathe entirely.
Now I just want to see their world burn, and this will do nicely. God speed, Microsoft. I'm not going to buy your new technological abomination, but I hope enough people do so I can drink deeply from the salty rivers of tears that are sure to be created in the process.
Num-num!