The Xbone Isn't Meant For Core Gamers

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uncanny474

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I've been reading the articles about the Xbox One since the press release and lurking the forums during the shitstorm over the admittedly horrendous features that have been announced.

I want to point out a few in particular. EDIT: Not all of these are inherently bad; they all just serve to prove my point.

1. The Xbone won't be able to connect to SDTVs out-of-the-box, and possibly at all.
2. The Xbone won't be able to play used games without some of the most draconican terms I've ever seen. Seriously, this is worse than anything EA has ever done.
3. The Xbone won't allow Indie games to self-publish, and basically screws over Indie gaming in every concievable way.
4. The Xbone has no backwards compatability.
5. Xbox 360 controllers won't work with the Xbone.
6. The Xbone is pushing itself as a multimedia system instead of a gaming console.
7. Call of Duty: Another One is going to be on the Xbox, and EA is talking about how excited they are for the console, which means Madden Roster Update will be on it as well.

Overall, the Xbone looks to be, above all else, expensive as hell. I don't know or care how the specs or the actual power of the system stacks up to a PC, but it's obvious that it's not *weak*, so the console is probably going to be more expensive than the 360. You can't buy the games used, so that's 60 bucks for each game. You have to have a fancy new HDTV, and you have to have high-speed internet at least once every 24 hours.

Now, obviously, this is a betrayal of many of the core features gamers hold dear. But you know who won't give a single damn about these problems?

The target audience of Call of Duty. The entitled, preppy fratboys who only own an Xbox to play Madden and Call of Duty anyway. The ones who get whatever they want out of mommy and daddy's checkbook. They don't buy used games anyway, because they buy Call of Duty and Madden as soon as they come out. They cease playing old games when the new ones are released, so backwards compatability won't matter. They don't give a single shit about Indie games. And they'd prefer a multimedia machine instead of a gaming console, because they only play two games on it anyway.

And they're going to be the reason that Xbone succeeds this generation.

Despite every core gamer I've ever read agreeing that whether they like the game or not, Call of Duty is absolutely what is turning mainstream gaming into this androgynous blob of shooters, Call of Duty Black Ops 2 sold 7.4 million copies in the launch month, and Modern Warfare 3 sold 8.8 million in the launch month. Source: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/183066/Numbers_show_The_Call_of_Duty_decline_looks_real.php I can't find hard numbers for Madden from a decent source, but I guarantee that they're way higher than a "niche" game has any right to be.

This shows that Microsoft *is* developing the Xbox for the largest demographic of gamers. It's just that that demo is not "core gamers".

So, before you post another hate thread on the Xbone, remember. It's not meant for you. It's meant for the beer-swilling pigs that make up the largest part of game sales.

EDIT: The term "beer-swilling pigs" isn't meant to indite all drinkers of beer, but is instead meant to reflect the voracity with which these parasites consume beer.
 

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uncanny474 said:
3. The Xbone won't allow Indie games to self-publish, and basically screws over Indie gaming in every concievable way
People need to shut up about this one, or at least watch the video instead o going off the headline. The XBone will have exactly the same support for indie games that the 360 has.
 

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Agreed that no backwards compatibility, always-internet and that bull they pulled about used games sucks, but everything else is just... average? EVERY new console gets its own controller, dude. PS3s work with PS3 controllers, not PS2 or PS ones. I know it's pointless seeing as they're all the same, but this is nothing new. And the whole CoD thing is laughable. So there will be a new CoD game, you don't HAVE to play it, it'll just be out there, like every other CoD game you never played! You will be free to remain the "core gamer" you always were, at a higher price. Like every other fucking generation. :)
 

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uncanny474 said:
4. The Xbone has no backwards compatability.
5. Xbox 360 controllers won't work with the Xbone.
7. Call of Duty: Another One is going to be on the Xbox, and EA is talking about how excited they are for the console, which means Madden Roster Update will be on it as well.
I don't really see how these are particularly bad things. I don't care about compatibility for games or controllers, and I like CoD so maybe it's just my opinion.
However I agree that XO looks dreadful and I will not buy, mainly for your reason #2. Pre-owned games are how I get into franchises and developers, and instead of buying new games I think I won't buy games altogether. Except I will, because of course PS4 is coming out. As much as I don't care for Sony (despite being a PS3 user) they've put themselves ahead in the race against Nintendo and Microsoft. They haven't done much right, but they haven't done as much wrong.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Agreed that no backwards compatibility, always-internet and that bull they pulled about used games sucks, but everything else is just... average?
Tom_green_day said:
I don't really see how these are particularly bad things.
OP Edited for clarification
 

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uncanny474 said:
The target audience of Call of Duty. The entitled, preppy fratboys who only own an Xbox to play Madden and Call of Duty anyway. The ones who get whatever they want out of mommy and daddy's checkbook. They don't buy used games anyway, because they buy Call of Duty and Madden as soon as they come out. They cease playing old games when the new ones are released, so backwards compatability won't matter. They don't give a single shit about Indie games. And they'd prefer a multimedia machine instead of a gaming console, because they only play two games on it anyway.
Excuse me mate, might I ask what the hell this crap is that you're dribbling onto my screen?

I'm not a fan of either of those franchises, but I feel the need to call you out on your bullshit all the same.

I mean, could you stereotype any harder if you tried?

Hmm, maybe I should give it a try:

Man, get a load of those RPG players. A pack of sad nerds that have to pretend that they're dragon-slaying badasses and insist on games with zero resemblance to the real world because anything else would just remind them that they're sexually undesirable losers with no friends, amiright? Eh? Eh?

Oh, and don't get me started on people who play indie products. They're clearly all just pretentious snobs who play games that they don't actually understand for the sole reason of being able to claim that it makes them better than the rest of us.

JRPG players? Please. They're just there to masturbate over the inevitable looks-underage-but-is-really-18-no-really, outgoing, whacky and uninhibited young girl character.

...

Man, this offensive stereotyping thing is fun. I can see why you do it.
 

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Requia said:
uncanny474 said:
3. The Xbone won't allow Indie games to self-publish, and basically screws over Indie gaming in every concievable way
People need to shut up about this one, or at least watch the video instead o going off the headline. The XBone will have exactly the same support for indie games that the 360 has.
But wasn't the indie support for the 360 horrible to begin with?
 

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So the XB1 is like a Microsoft sponsored learning machine for the uncultured ?
You sucker them in with the same old tired gray paste they love so much and then sprinkle in some bits of gaming bacon on the digital download store ?
So that one day when bored they might buy and play "mildly interesting game x" and be enriched for the experience without having to make the effort to find it by manually scrolling through a menu.
They'll just say "XBox I'm bored." and it'll buy and start a thought provoking game maybe like "Spec-Ops: The Line" and start it up for them ?
And if they get too excited or angry the Xbox will detect it and adjust the "learning curb" for the user.
It's like a really low tech Matrix and the Kinect is Neo !

My mind has never been this blow before !
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
EVERY new console gets its own controller, dude.
Yes, while this may usually be true, in actuality...

Johnny Novgorod said:
PS3s work with PS3 controllers, not PS2 or PS ones.
This is incorrect. You can actually buy a usb adapter to use PS2 and PS1 controllers with a PS3, so therefore you CAN use PS2 and PS1 controllers on a PS3. And it's not an uber-rare thing that's impossible to find, either. You can easily nab one on Amazon for less than $10. Plus, PS1 controllers always have worked with the PS2.

So while yes, this sort of ability is rather uncommon in the end; it's still something that would be a major plus if the XBone allowed such a thing.
 

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SilkySkyKitten said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
EVERY new console gets its own controller, dude.
Yes, while this may usually be true, in actuality...

Johnny Novgorod said:
PS3s work with PS3 controllers, not PS2 or PS ones.
This is incorrect. You can actually buy a usb adapter to use PS2 and PS1 controllers with a PS3, so therefore you CAN use PS2 and PS1 controllers on a PS3. And it's not an uber-rare thing that's impossible to find, either. You can easily nab one on Amazon for less than $10. Plus, PS1 controllers always have worked with the PS2.

So while yes, this sort of ability is rather uncommon in the end; it's still something that would be a major plus if the XBone allowed such a thing.
And this can't be done with Xbox controllers?
 

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Right now the Xbone looks like a glorified DVR.

There are just a whole bunch of features I don't care about.
 

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Requia said:
uncanny474 said:
3. The Xbone won't allow Indie games to self-publish, and basically screws over Indie gaming in every concievable way
People need to shut up about this one, or at least watch the video instead o going off the headline. The XBone will have exactly the same support for indie games that the 360 has.
We kind of wanted it to be better this time, though, y'know? We're not comparing it to the support the 360 gave indies, we're comparing it to the support it's rivals are.
 

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Requia said:
uncanny474 said:
3. The Xbone won't allow Indie games to self-publish, and basically screws over Indie gaming in every concievable way
People need to shut up about this one, or at least watch the video instead o going off the headline. The XBone will have exactly the same support for indie games that the 360 has.
Exactly. Since the release of the 360, indie gaming has exploded, first through the burgeoning mobile sector, then boosted by Steam, and now by Minecraft, the Humble Bundle and countless other things. There was potential for a Greenlight-like service on Xbone Live, and now there isn't. Well, for now, at least.
 

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There's an article on Wired that talks about how focusing on core gamers isn't actually profitable for companies, presumably because we're a niche market and these things are getting more expensive to make.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-gaming/
 

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I don't see why Call of Duty being on the xbox means the console is going to sell well. It's not an exclusive or anything.
 

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Yeah, I agree, it obviously isn't targeted to core gamers. But, you see, I am a core gamer. So, I want things targeted to me (I am a bit selfish in that way, liking things that I like), especially considering those same things were targeted to me in the past. That is the problem with this: Microsoft has proven that they don't give two craps about core gamers (and the poors, but that is a different problem entirely), the audience that is their most loyal customers, the audience that they previously bent over backwards to serve. It is a complete 180 on their part and only pisses off brand loyalists.
 

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The plan behind the XBox from the beginning was to own your living room.
Taking over your TV is just the next logical step.
While I don't like some of the stuff I'm hearing about XBOne, (Still can't get over how stupid that name is) I also think this hate train is getting out of control.
 

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uncanny474 said:
... It's meant for the beer-swilling pigs that make up the largest part of game sales...
Hmmm, I have amnesia and I can't remember where my machine for pigs is ;) haha :p

OT. You have good points, as long as they're people with more money that they ever need you can sell them almost anything, if EA or Call of Duty games didn't sell they wouldn't make them every year