YES!!! THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING SINCE THE WAR STARTED!FortheLegion said:
I consider you, sir, a patriot.
Think about it: WORLD PEACE
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I consider you, sir, a patriot.
World peace is only achievable when a select few sides hold the big sticks.
If you look at deaths in the world before WWII (from small conflicts and the like) you see a drastic difference after the cold war began. In a way the nuclear weapon brought more peace than every long haired moccasin wearing hippie combined.
So I think the real question is if World peace is unobtainable what is the best way to hold onto what we have now?
If you look at deaths in the world before WWII (from small conflicts and the like) you see a drastic difference after the cold war began. In a way the nuclear weapon brought more peace than every long haired moccasin wearing hippie combined.
So I think the real question is if World peace is unobtainable what is the best way to hold onto what we have now?
Have you ever heard the saying that too many people doing the same job slows you down?
If you have a million people all working together to screw in a single light bulb, you've got 999 999 too many people for the job.
If you had an extra 45 billion dollars to do all the tests in the world that takes just 10 million to do them, you've wasted 44 990 000 000 dollars.
Cures and medicinal advancements is slowed down by live testing. Sometimes pills and medicine takes months or years to see their final results. A billion dollars doesn't change that.
The money could be better spent on non-war related things. Schools, education, poverty - But in REALITY Country B says I want your resource A, Country A cannot afford to share, you've got a war.
Two large forces fighting over a small piece of food for survival. Neither can live without and there isn't enough to share. A real cure for war would be less humans. How do you get less humans? They die. How do they die? War. It balances itself out. Equilibrium!
There's a finite amount of resources. When humans exceed their population, we self-kill each other until all humans can live comfortably. Then they repopulate, over-populate and war becomes inevitable once again.
What's the cure to this? Oppression of sexual freedom. Selective breeding. Give certain people of specific skills, talents or other genetically favorable traits the right to breed and sterilize the rest of the population. Rather Hitler-esque thinking, actually.
Either way, we control Earth's human population to a specific number. Only the best of the best breed creating favorable human offspring (intelligence, strength, health).
Or war. Generally the weak, stupid and slow die sooner anyway. None of it's pretty but it's evolution.
If you have a million people all working together to screw in a single light bulb, you've got 999 999 too many people for the job.
If you had an extra 45 billion dollars to do all the tests in the world that takes just 10 million to do them, you've wasted 44 990 000 000 dollars.
Cures and medicinal advancements is slowed down by live testing. Sometimes pills and medicine takes months or years to see their final results. A billion dollars doesn't change that.
The money could be better spent on non-war related things. Schools, education, poverty - But in REALITY Country B says I want your resource A, Country A cannot afford to share, you've got a war.
Two large forces fighting over a small piece of food for survival. Neither can live without and there isn't enough to share. A real cure for war would be less humans. How do you get less humans? They die. How do they die? War. It balances itself out. Equilibrium!
There's a finite amount of resources. When humans exceed their population, we self-kill each other until all humans can live comfortably. Then they repopulate, over-populate and war becomes inevitable once again.
What's the cure to this? Oppression of sexual freedom. Selective breeding. Give certain people of specific skills, talents or other genetically favorable traits the right to breed and sterilize the rest of the population. Rather Hitler-esque thinking, actually.
Either way, we control Earth's human population to a specific number. Only the best of the best breed creating favorable human offspring (intelligence, strength, health).
Or war. Generally the weak, stupid and slow die sooner anyway. None of it's pretty but it's evolution.
Thank you for appreciating my opinion I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.Gravyshanks the Pirate said:
War leads to massive leaps and bounds in medical advances and technology. World War 1 and 2 saw huge explosions in technology. Many war time inventions were demilitarized for global use. The crusades leap frogged us years ahead in medical science.
That's not to say without War we would have no cars or medicine, but we may very well be decades behind where we are now.
War is a natural stabilizer of populations. As much as people say they hate it, without it we would starve and be doomed.
As populations increase people begin to fight. That's why a street gang is more likely to form in an overpopulated low income neighborhood then a spaced out rich or middle class one. When resources become scarce and there are to many people they take to fighting. It's what we do.
Hell. One of the main issues of World War 2 was that Germany was so god damn poor and deprived of every resource that Hitler was able to get his people to believe any bullshit story he could come up with.
World peace would stunt technology and medical advances greatly.
Creatures only grow through stress and pain. I know that sounds emo but its true.
Your muscels grow from being ripped and torn.
Your bones become stronger from being broken down then healed over time.
Your immune system becomes stronger and more resilient as you get sick and your immune system learns how to kill new deadly strains of viruses.
Trust me, if there are aliens with UFO's they probably built them to blow the shit out of the other alien countries UFO's.
In nature when one animal overpopulates and begins destroying the environment predators begin to hunt them more specifically because they become easier game to hunt. The now thinned out animal becomes stronger since the only ones that survive are the fittest.
World peace is not only an illusion.. but even if it were possible, it would probably lead to our destruction as a race....
For example. Rather then sending millions of dollars in relief food to Africa why not.. I dunno... Have first world countries take the land by force and use our technology to more efficiently use the land rather then watch it get destroyed by century old farming techniques we know cause the eventually desertification that wiped out the Mesopotamians...
That's not to say without War we would have no cars or medicine, but we may very well be decades behind where we are now.
War is a natural stabilizer of populations. As much as people say they hate it, without it we would starve and be doomed.
As populations increase people begin to fight. That's why a street gang is more likely to form in an overpopulated low income neighborhood then a spaced out rich or middle class one. When resources become scarce and there are to many people they take to fighting. It's what we do.
Hell. One of the main issues of World War 2 was that Germany was so god damn poor and deprived of every resource that Hitler was able to get his people to believe any bullshit story he could come up with.
World peace would stunt technology and medical advances greatly.
Creatures only grow through stress and pain. I know that sounds emo but its true.
Your muscels grow from being ripped and torn.
Your bones become stronger from being broken down then healed over time.
Your immune system becomes stronger and more resilient as you get sick and your immune system learns how to kill new deadly strains of viruses.
Trust me, if there are aliens with UFO's they probably built them to blow the shit out of the other alien countries UFO's.
In nature when one animal overpopulates and begins destroying the environment predators begin to hunt them more specifically because they become easier game to hunt. The now thinned out animal becomes stronger since the only ones that survive are the fittest.
World peace is not only an illusion.. but even if it were possible, it would probably lead to our destruction as a race....
Your not the only one... It's just saying out loud that actually occupying and conquering land tends to get everyone all angry for even mentioning the idea that maybe if a country wants to be pulled out of the dark ages they might have to consider no longer being there own nation anymore...FortheLegion said:
For example. Rather then sending millions of dollars in relief food to Africa why not.. I dunno... Have first world countries take the land by force and use our technology to more efficiently use the land rather then watch it get destroyed by century old farming techniques we know cause the eventually desertification that wiped out the Mesopotamians...
War pushes technology
Penicillin,canning, The internet, Jet Engence,Atomic Power plants, and sintetic oil are all the result of war in the past 70 years
if you want to go farther then that smelting, blacksmithing, concrete and advances in wood cutting all things civilization is built on are all a result of war.
war is nothing new and isint going to change anytime soon
Penicillin,canning, The internet, Jet Engence,Atomic Power plants, and sintetic oil are all the result of war in the past 70 years
if you want to go farther then that smelting, blacksmithing, concrete and advances in wood cutting all things civilization is built on are all a result of war.
war is nothing new and isint going to change anytime soon
Exactly, so why stop? Our ancestors were fine so we will be too, also we need to "thin" our numbers before we all live in refugee camps so it does help. All this thread has is the negative effects of war, what about the positives?whiteM1lk said:
Penn and Teller did an episode of Bullshit! on this and actually nailed it on hits head. Interdependancy is the path to world peace/ending war. Think about it if you are dependant on another country for a good/service you desire you are less likely to engage in war because you could screw that up. Look at England and france, at war with each other pretty for forever and now nothing, way, the exchange of goods and services. Look at US, despite the bull OPEC pulls we still have yet to just charge in and take over, why? because they could burn the wells before we take over thus destroying the resource we want. Its even harder to contemplate when its the skills of the people, something you cant just replicate or steal.
Not going to happen but I will assume it happenswhiteM1lk said:
You realize that war is one of the biggest incentive for technological advance right?whiteM1lk said:
Not happening no matter how much money you throw at it.whiteM1lk said:
The world is over populated anyway.whiteM1lk said:
We already have those. The latter are in japan and the former is a horrible idea.whiteM1lk said:
That was the reason for the Biosphere experiment. We are still working on it. Besides, we need to get this world working correctly before moving to another, smaller planet.whiteM1lk said:
Ok, look at the reasons war has happened then. Those reasons never will go away. If technological/scientific advance are your main concerns then there are things that hurt it more than war(although war is one of the better reasons for advances)whiteM1lk said:
Erm. Let's not give too much credit to war. Do you really believe that canned food would be nonexistent in the absence of war? Yes, war does put pressures on governments so that they throw money at technology X that they think will help. But they can only do this for technologies that are known, that somebody has already studied to some extent so that the governments would know that they could be improved or widespread.direkiller said:
Peacetime Atomic Physics came before wartime bombs, Penicillan has claims going all the way back to 1897, and the other advancements listed have similar earlier precedents. War does not magically summon technology out of thin air, but merely offers higher rewards in certain known directions to the detriment of others. Consider how television was pushed back into the shadows during World War II. Consider also the sheer waste of war; It's a cliche by now to wonder how many Einsteins and Edisons are arbitrarily killed off in such conflicts, how much research money in invested in munitions, how much rebuilding could have been avoided.
And you know what one of the major causes for war is? Religion. You know how soon that is going to cease to exist? As soon as one religion stands and all the rest are dead.whiteM1lk said:
World peace is a nice idea, but when get right down to it, it really isn't going to work. Humans are, I think physically incapable of coexisting nicely. Oh sure, we do our best, but it still doesn't work as best as it should. A buddy of mine summed it up rather nicely: "Put two average people in a locked room with one cookie. Soon enough you're going to have One person, one cookie and one mangled corpse".
At this point, I just try to enjoy it.
At this point, I just try to enjoy it.
Except back then, we had gunpowder while they had sticks and stones. Now, they have the capability to resist a country establishing a foothold in a such a region rife with parties and elements just waiting for a genuine imperialist gesture to rally against. Imperialism is a completely outmoded concept.Gravyshanks the Pirate said: