This "cod hate" is getting out of hand.

[Feralbreed]

We always need a common enemy. And all of duty is easy for the elitist fucks who think they're somehow "above" this game.

Besides, despite there being so many CoD-games, no one gave a shit about it until Modern warfare (CoD4) blew the publics mind. From then on it has attracted so many players that it's easy to dismiss them as plebejians that will buy into anything and at the same time sit on your PC and praise tedious shit like STALKER and watch My little pony "ironically."

 

[Megacherv]

Now make no mistake people. I'm not trying to defend the game series. I just want to take the opportunity to quash these ridiculous arguments that I keep seeing pop up everywhere.

OT: I actually thought the CoD hate was slowly dying down. It's much less sporadic then usual.

But I do have to say, Modern Warfare 3 looks exactly the same as MW2. I don't think the game was being taken as seriously this time around.

What you said exactly, those arguments are so biased that pisses me off and as i said most games are and improved template that pass as a sequel nowadays.

Are you honestly using Doom 2 as an example of other games being re-hashed? It's Doom-fucking-2! You couldn't update it that much, you couldn't jump, have layered floors and ceilings, nor could you look up or down. Why not go the whole hog and say that the original MegaMan series was also a bane of gaming's existence...

CoD is a franchise that despite the tools and frankly stoooooopid amount of money that they have earned from releasing the highest-grossing game ever and THEN breaking their own record the year after: the games are re-hashed, multiplayer-based, have stupidly short and frankly fucking stupid campaigns (after CoD 4) and there is absolutely no fucking excuse for it.

Defending CoD is a losing battle, the proof is in the pudding. CoD is a franchise full of potential but filled far more with boring stodgy constant-gunfire-from-all-directions-tedium that was ripped out from last year's game, and the fact that it's so successful is doing wonders to the downfall of gaming and our culture.

Actually i picked doom 2 to show that it was done in the past and on pc gaming as well. But if you dont like that, then pick the stalker games, for a pc game SOC made a lot of money and its sequels were actual "recycled" more than cod.

I wouldnt give up on cod yet, like i said you cant do much on consoles and hold 60fps, in the next gen it will look nothing like it does now. Yes because cod wont die,EVER!!

Infact with its sales it will be considered a fail if it sold only 5 millions

You see, that's it right there. The fps...really? Really?! The frames-per-second don't make or break a game. Second, the fps don't limit filling your game with actual content. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. has had just three games. Call of Duty is goingto be releasing its eighth game (EIGHTH!) and it's looking to be the same thing...again...

Now, if it turns out to be a masterpiece, I'll gladly eat humble pie, but with CoD's current track record...

 

[Knife-28]

I will just say something that, in all honesty, covers all games, including Call of Duty, heck, any media. The only thing worse than (Insert Game/Movie ect) fanboys, are the (Insert same Game/Movie ect) haters.

That said, so that I don't go compleatly off topic, I like Call of Duty, it's not the best game in the world, but there are alot worse.

 

[Continuity]

when in reallity its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame.

Whoa hold it right there buddy, if you're premising this tirade on that deduction then you fail from the start.

Just because something is popular does not make it in anyway good, it may be enjoyable but enjoyable and good are two different things. Take soap opera programs on tv, collectively they have more viewing hours than all movie and theatre combined, does that mean that soap opera is better than movies or theatre? No. It just means it's more popular.

What can I say, the people like junk.

 

[ACman]

The cod hate is because most COD fans think they know everything about guns yet they know jack about them so they look like fools and also its not all based on change i refused to play COD after World at War because i hate playing in the modern time as the only enemies your allowed are either the Russians (who would never invade the USA) or Terrorists or PMCs so i can see where the hate comes from.

Arrrggg!!!! Punctuation..... Lack thereof.... Hurts to read.

OT: I don't hate the series. It's a generic military shooter. I do wish that it and its imitators were less shallow.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

Seriously i can browse the internet without seeing so many people spam about it everyhwere even in non cod related videos/articles and if you say something negative about the game they are like "go play cod" like its some knida insult when in reallity its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame.

It's the most successful franchise and that has no reflection on game quality. Success does not equal good, it equals popular. They are bland, unimaginative, rehashed brown shooters with throwaway characters and dialogue you would struggle to scrape off the bottom of a barrel.

I actually have no idea how it was CoD4 became the most popular online shooter of the generation and made the franchise the success it was. It was an above average game at best though I'll suggest the multiplayer xp/perk thing was probably the cause. It was innovative, adding "RPG lite" features and something to aim for beyond a single match.

The implied insult in the statement "go play CoD" is to suggest that the insultee isn't capable of playing a decent game with actual depth and challenge and should just go back to the vanilla, arcade shooter. And I'd be more offended by that than a punch to the face.

 

[EvilMaggot]

I agree somewhat, but at the same time, cod IS getting old.

I suggest we move to another franchise. Highly Amusing Destruction Derby of Cataclysmic Konsequences (because everything needs to be spelled oddly these days).

Or HADDoCK for short.

+1 for the HADDocK amazing ^^

 

[Ashcrexl]

The CoD hate is not getting out of hand. why do i say that? because it is the best selling non-sport video game franchise in history. stop whining dude. enjoy your millions of co-fans.

 

[nuba km]

Call of duty: a fast paced, completely unrealistic fps with a perk system and a small variation in multiplayer modes (only big veriation are vager(or how ever you spell it) matches. this has a larger target market and therefore more people should like it. But it is very easy to be cheap in it as it is extremely unbalanced and all that killstreaks achive is but widen the gap between the person who is winning and the poeple who are losing and not due to skill level, and using anything other then a lmg or a assault rifle is like throwing cheese as a shotgun only has an effective range slightly longer then the knife dash and the smg's are too weak and have too much or a spread to make then a use for anything then killing someone point blank, but yet again you have a knife dash for that.

that is bad multiplayer but because the fan base has a large portion of players who only play CoD and/or sports games that means they don't really have any point of comparison and therefore play it with out knowing of much better experiences. Also another large chunk of the fan base are people who just care about 'owning people' and don't care about whether it takes skill and therefore CoD's heavily unbalanced multiplayer appeals do them.

Hating a game just because of its fanbase is extremely petty. But that's moot point since it's completely innacurate. Sure there is a sizeable amount of players like you described and perhaps even more so than most games but still if you crunch the numbers they're still massively less than any other type of players. It just so happens that crappy CoD fans happen to be extremely vocal so it's easy to understand how people could get that impression. As I mentioned before those people are the scum of the Earth and I want nothing to do with them. But can I tell you a secret? I would rather be stuck in a conversation with them than with a group of snooty TF2 fans who talk down their nose at sports game fans and CoD fans and treat everything Valve releases as fucking gold. As above most TF2 fans aren't like that at all but they're there and vocal so pick your poison ************!

I agree that CoD is unrealistic but the fact that you assume this is a negative trait is both hilarious and somewhat frustrating. Yes, the games pretensions to be "a realistic depiction of modern warfare" are laughable especially considering the single player campaign is a James Bond plot with even worse accents (if you can believe it) but realism has nothing to do with the entertainment appeal of a game. Yes, highly trained marines should be able to sprint for more than five seconds and no turrets with infinite ammo doesn't make any sense but Mario shouldn't be able to breathe in space, Gordon Freeman shouldn't be able to walk after taking a rocket to the shins and the CIA shouldn't allow their agents to do barrel rolls in hijacked passengers planes (I promise I'll stop making Just Cause 2 references). Realism is a moot point in any form of entertainment, video games the least of all.

It's just as easy to be cheap in CoD4 as it is in TF2, you're talking out of your ass here. I can't even come up with a rebuttal because you've clearly either not played the game or are lying (so anything I say won't work anyway).

This might be a nitpick but could you please clean up your posts. I would really like to have a discussion about this (not that it will get either of us anywhere) but with your run on sentences, lack of capitalisation and complete disregard for paragraphing it's actually somewhat difficult to read. It doesn't make your opinion any less valid and I know I'm not exactly an Ace with spelling and grammer (hyuck hyuck) but I'd like to think my posts are readable. It'd be swell to carry on this conversation but I don't think I'll be able to until your posts become easier to read. Sorry.

I am going to make my post clearer:
Call of duty: a fast paced, completely unrealistic fps with a perk system and a small variation in multiplayer modes (only big veriation are vager(or how ever you spell it) matches. this has a larger target market and therefore more people should like it. this portion of it is merely a summary of the game.

But it is very easy to be cheap in it as it is extremely unbalanced and all that killstreaks achive is but widen the gap between the person who is winning and the poeple who are losing and not due to skill level, and using anything other then a lmg or a assault rifle is like throwing cheese as a shotgun only has an effective range slightly longer then the knife dash and the smg's are too weak and have too much or a spread to make then a use for anything then killing someone point blank, but yet again you have a knife dash for that. this section is why it is bad

the fan base has a large portion of players who only play CoD and/or sports games that means they don't really have any point of comparison and therefore play it with out knowing of much better experiences. Also another large chunk of the fan base are people who just care about 'owning people' and don't care about whether it takes skill and therefore CoD's heavily unbalanced multiplayer appeals do them. and this is something bad about it which has nothing to do with the game.

NOW FOR THE NEW STUFF
1. When I played CoD the player base had no impact on me as I merely unplugged my head set when I met the douchbags in the player base.

2. The snooty player base in TF2 is also there but I played TF2 a lot more then CoD and I haven't even run into the the same number of times as I have in CoD and they also worsen the game, but the TF2 is still a good game.

3. I didn't point say it being unrealistic as a bad point I was merely saying to the op who said that it was somewhat realistic that it isn't

4. Ways to be cheap in TF2: team of engineers or turrets/ entire team out side the spawn point. Ways to be cheap in CoD: camping in one of the many camping spots, overpowered weapons, overpowered kill streaks also the thing is the CoD payer base is a lot more likely to be cheap (I am only saying more likely I know there is a good chunk of players that aren't cheap) and the thing is, anything which you have to do with other people is affected by other people. You saying that you can't dislike a multiplayer game because you can't find good people to play with is like you saying you can't dislike work because you work with people who you don't like.

5. I am dyslexic, still sorry about the bad grammar and spelling but I try.

 

[Meggiepants]

I had to stop reading the responses to this thread because they are filled with such idiocy I can't stomach it anymore.

As to the OPs question about COD hate, who the fuck knows? People like to hate on things. If you don't like something that is popular, that automatically puts you on the outside of a group. People don't like being on the outside. They resent those who have the shared experience. Maybe they secretly wonder if there is something wrong with them because they don't like something that so many other people have liked? I'm no psychologist, but I'm sure there are theories aplenty as to why people will hate something popular so vehemently.

As to some of the arguments I've read in the first ten or so responses, I feel compelled to address them:

CoD is just the same game over and over again

I don't know. I've played three of them now, and I would say the story lines are fairly unique and interesting. MW is part of a trilogy, so obviously those stories are building on each other. In the modern gaming world, it seems to me most sequels are pretty much the same game with a new story. Some people really like that. When you have solid gameplay, there really isn't much reason to mess with it. I'm not pissed because my books don't know have letters that dance on the page and sing me songs while I read. If it's about a new setting and story, I can't see the problem here. Innovation for innovation's sake is one of the more annoying things the gaming industry does imo.

It's not CoD, it's the douchey fans.

I know quite a few CoD fans who aren't assholes. I myself am one. I'm not an idiot, I'm not twelve, and I'm not "giving gamers a bad name" as one poster put it. I enjoy all types of games. I can certainly see the merit of something like CoD. After playing it, other shooter games do seem clunky by comparison. CoD has a very smooth and fluid system for an FPS. In fact, I've heard this generalization so much, I was reluctant to play CoD. I'm glad that a number of my friends suggested otherwise.

Is it for everybody? No, but neither is Mario, and that has a decidedly more favorable opinion of it in communities like these, even though they haven't really done anything different in the last few years either. Mario Sunshine was really the last interesting innovation they did with that series, and it was unpopular, so they went back to the old Mario 64 type game.

I'm just saying before you start labeling an entire community of gamers, you should probably talk to a few CoD players here on these forums. Many of them are quite willing to recognize the flaws in their favorite series. They just find your arguments for why the series sucks to be not particularly persuasive.

The company that makes it is greedy!

To me, this is one of the most baffling arguments. I personally know of no single game company that isn't profit motivated. They all want to make more money. Yes, they hire artists who really just enjoy making great games. But without the corporations like Activision, these artists wouldn't have a place to work. Let's just set aside the fact that they just announced a CoD con where all the proceeds go to charity. All gaming companies are greedy. They are all run by people and shareholders who want more money for less risk. These are not non-profit organizations. If you hate CoD for this, you really should be more consistent and hate all gaming companies.

I'm not going to argue that the working conditions of one place are better than another. In huge organizations like that, those kinds of things can change on a yearly basis. Your favorite company can easily be bought up by assholes and the whole structure can change. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking any of these companies are altruistic. I've yet to see a non-profit oriented gaming company. It's what they do.

I'm just sick and tired of seeing it! I want it gone!

A rational argument if I ever heard one. If the very existence of CoD bothers you this much, you may need some therapy. I'm serious. It sounds like an anxiety disorder.

It annoys me to no end that Stephanie Meyer sells as many books as she does while authors I love to read flounder in obscurity. However, I would never wish Twilight away. Millions of people love it. My pleasure is not more equal than theirs. Neither is yours. I know, you are the most important person to you. That doesn't make this particular sentiment any less selfish.

 

[Jimbo1212]

But MW is terrible and the sequels are a rehash of a broken game which is why it gets so much criticism. It has also done noting new to the genre. The only reason it is 'the game everyone is playing' is due to good marketing, and this is also the only reason why it has sold so many copies.

Thats what am talking about, you hate mw, we get it, its ok but dont make it a fact on how its universally considered to be "terrible" I mean ATLEAST cod4 we can all agree that it was a great game.

COD 4 was alright, but the sequels have progressively become worse.
As for being terrible - you can easily claim this as a fact if you wanted too. You just have to look at the massive list of problems, from poor AI, dire storylines, broken game mechanics, bad map design, lag, terrible lobby system etc. It merely sells as it somehow is "that game everyone is playing online".

 

[Your Nightmare]

when in reallity its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame.

Whoa hold it right there buddy, if you're premising this tirade on that deduction then you fail from the start.

Just because something is popular does not make it in anyway good, it may be enjoyable but enjoyable and good are two different things. Take soap opera programs on tv, collectively they have more viewing hours than all movie and theatre combined, does that mean that soap opera is better than movies or theatre? No. It just means it's more popular.

What can I say, the people like junk.

I disagree. If something is popular, then it means it is good. What you failed to mention it the demographic of what said product is aimed at. Just because you don't fit the demographic, doesn't mean that other people out there don't.

Again, I disagree with your example. Why can't both of them be good?
Furthermore, what are you basing these statistics from? Did you consider that most soap operas are on the standard free television service, don't cost a large amount of money (£7 to go to the film plus expense of travel) Soap operas are easy to access, require no effort from the viewer and guess what - they're aimed at a target audience. And to this adience, the soap operas are great. This doesn't mean to say they don't enjoy a film at the cinema, which requires a lot more effort. Maybe the viewer has formed a para-social relationship with a cast member? Maybe it's the highlight of their day and can't wait to watch it (and wouldn't miss it to go to the cinema which they could go to any other time of the week. Soap operas are on all year round for most days in the week (Atleast here in the UK) so it's little wonder they get more viewers.

Have I made my point? You just have to think about other people and that we are all unique

 

[EvilMaggot]

i was at a LAN party not to long ago... 80 people so it was kinda big i was sitting next to 2 boys around 14-15 years old... for the entire 3 days at being at the LAN they played CoD:Black Ops...for 3 days... they were the incarnation of the fanbase of CoD... all the time they asked me if i had CoD...and i responded that i needed something... abit more "fun"

played Call of Duty up to CoDMW1 and never touched the franchise after... because damn.. the perks you get ruin the multiplayer experience for me.. Shoot through walls no matter how thick, 50% regenerate health increase... i was like WTF.. not cool...

at the LAN with 1 of my mates we were playing: DNF(hilarious in MP), Minecraft, Crysis 1 / 2, world of warcraft (you may hate me for that... Hating: Allowed) and a TON of other games

I cant wait for Battlefield 3, been a diehard fan since BF1942, and one thing they never did was putting in lame perks... that unbalances the game... but they put so much more in why i like BF than CoD, for a first for Multiplayer: 64 player servers (dedicated even), Airplanes, Tanks... its only infantry in CoD... if i want a good infantry shooter ill go back to ye olde CS1.6

my 2 cents..

 

[Simeon Ivanov]

I don't hate CoD. In fact I'll probably download MW3 and play it in a weekend. I just don't like it's fan base (12 year old who swear like Jan Valentine and don't know shit about guns)