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I could never get into Northern Lights for some reason, I was having sick leave and started reading it and none of it went in. Up to the point where I unfairly hated the book for just being near me.
I'd probably read it now, I'm all about the second chances me.
I'd probably read it now, I'm all about the second chances me.
As I said, the storytelling left quite a bit to be desired, all I was saying was that, after some analysis, the story isn't that bad. I'll use spoilers as well.ElephantGuts said:
You forget, Makarov was an Ultranationalist, who control the Russian government at the time. I'm not going to say the government was likely thrilled about his attack on the airport, but Makarov basically left them with two options: tell the world that a member of their camp led a heinous assault on their own airport, or use Allen as an out. Even if the Russian government knows it really wasn't America's fault, public furor would basically ensure that they had to invade. Hell, it's even possible that they ordered Makarov to do it, wanting a pretext to invade the US (again, these are the Ultranationalists from the first game).
As for the Captain Price thing, he launched a nuke so that the EM pulse would knock out the Russian's advance (nukes are the most efficient man-made way of creating EMP, and a high altitude detonation would leave no fallout). Think about it: they now have no vehicles and are knee-deep in enemy territory. Their defeat would be a matter of when, not if. As for the Russians in the other part of the country, there were none. They only attacked DC and the areas around it, what we see in the brief before the first mission in America was them using the ACS module (more on that below) for a diversion, essentially shutting down the American recon sats.
The ACS module was something from a crashed American recon sat which had been recovered by the Russians. Essentially, it would give access to the American sat network, meaning it had to be recovered (which is what happened in Cliffhanger). However, one of two things happened: Either the Russians copied the module before it was stolen (the original theory put forth when the invasion started) or, more likely, it was just handed straight back to them by Shepherd.
Rojas (the arms dealer) told 141 about the prisoner who Makarov hated in the Gulag. A little anti-climactic, but it still works.
If TvTropes is to be believed, the general consensus is that Raptor is the President. They were quite adamant about protecting him, and it's possible to get a slight glance at him which supports it.
We aren't told who the man in the safe house is, but he was there for two reasons. 1)The men who killed him had tattoos just like the ones Allen had to get before No Russian. Therefore, it's implied that they were Makarov's personal men. 2)There was no sign of forced entry. This hints at Shepherd's involvement.
As for the invasion, I think we can chalk that up to Willing Suspension of Disbelief.
141 were loose ends. They would likely figure out Shepard's involvement from his next moves and, as Price demonstrated in the mission where he launches the nuke, they can get around just fine without him. From his perspective, they were more trouble than they were worth, especially since he had Shadow Company. And yes, it's mentioned in one of the early missions (in passing, but still) that they are his personal troops.
I assume you noticed the large cliffhanger at the end, right? Well, seems to me that Makarov is being set up as the Big Bad for MW3. As for why they go after Shepherd instead of him, his was the more immediate threat, the plan already in motion.
As for the Captain Price thing, he launched a nuke so that the EM pulse would knock out the Russian's advance (nukes are the most efficient man-made way of creating EMP, and a high altitude detonation would leave no fallout). Think about it: they now have no vehicles and are knee-deep in enemy territory. Their defeat would be a matter of when, not if. As for the Russians in the other part of the country, there were none. They only attacked DC and the areas around it, what we see in the brief before the first mission in America was them using the ACS module (more on that below) for a diversion, essentially shutting down the American recon sats.
The ACS module was something from a crashed American recon sat which had been recovered by the Russians. Essentially, it would give access to the American sat network, meaning it had to be recovered (which is what happened in Cliffhanger). However, one of two things happened: Either the Russians copied the module before it was stolen (the original theory put forth when the invasion started) or, more likely, it was just handed straight back to them by Shepherd.
Rojas (the arms dealer) told 141 about the prisoner who Makarov hated in the Gulag. A little anti-climactic, but it still works.
If TvTropes is to be believed, the general consensus is that Raptor is the President. They were quite adamant about protecting him, and it's possible to get a slight glance at him which supports it.
We aren't told who the man in the safe house is, but he was there for two reasons. 1)The men who killed him had tattoos just like the ones Allen had to get before No Russian. Therefore, it's implied that they were Makarov's personal men. 2)There was no sign of forced entry. This hints at Shepherd's involvement.
As for the invasion, I think we can chalk that up to Willing Suspension of Disbelief.
141 were loose ends. They would likely figure out Shepard's involvement from his next moves and, as Price demonstrated in the mission where he launches the nuke, they can get around just fine without him. From his perspective, they were more trouble than they were worth, especially since he had Shadow Company. And yes, it's mentioned in one of the early missions (in passing, but still) that they are his personal troops.
I assume you noticed the large cliffhanger at the end, right? Well, seems to me that Makarov is being set up as the Big Bad for MW3. As for why they go after Shepherd instead of him, his was the more immediate threat, the plan already in motion.
The ending in particular was the longest, senseless diarrea of words I have seen this side of Quentin Tarantino.Trivun said:
In movies, I will go with the last Pirates of the Caribean. Nice action sequences, but the story had more twists than a spaghetti dish, and half of the times they lead nowhere...
Yeah, the entire series, aside from the original, is incredibly polarizing. I personally liked it, but I know a lot of people who didn't.xqxm said:
Borat made no sense to me. Both the plot and the fact that people found that garbage funny still eludes me.
I would but I've already given them to a Nigerian businessman and a member of the Libyan royal family, today. I saw my friends PIN code over her shoulder earlier though. You can help me jump her for her card and a percentage of the ill gotten booty.Onyx Oblivion said:
That book is completely awesome. It took me a pretty thorough read through to really get it, and now it's one of my favorites.Captain Pancake said:
I watched "Cat Soup". That movie made sense for maybe 3 seconds in its 30 minutes. Giant joint-wizard who runs a circus and speaks in weird balloons that form a flood? Yeah.....
orannis62 said:
Oh wow. You seem to have figured out a lot more than me. Did I just miss all that (things like the ACS module's explanation, Raptor being implied to be the president, Rojas telling about 141, etc.) in the game or did you find them out somewhere else?
And I doubt the Russians didn't want to portray Makarov in a "bad" light since he was already a known devious terrorist, but I guess if IW says being a Russian Ultranationalist means having an overpowerering hunger for American blood I can't fight that.
But I don't understand the deal with Shepherd. Exactly what was he trying to do? What "involvement" was he doing? I couldn't have missed that much in the game. And I suppose Makarov was left to be dealt with in the next game, but I feel like they should have alluded to it more. He just exits with a random line of dialogue, and then you kill Shepherd and it seems like you won, with no mention of Makarov again. I suppose I'll just chalk that up to bad presentation as you said.
And I doubt the Russians didn't want to portray Makarov in a "bad" light since he was already a known devious terrorist, but I guess if IW says being a Russian Ultranationalist means having an overpowerering hunger for American blood I can't fight that.
But I don't understand the deal with Shepherd. Exactly what was he trying to do? What "involvement" was he doing? I couldn't have missed that much in the game. And I suppose Makarov was left to be dealt with in the next game, but I feel like they should have alluded to it more. He just exits with a random line of dialogue, and then you kill Shepherd and it seems like you won, with no mention of Makarov again. I suppose I'll just chalk that up to bad presentation as you said.
I enjoyed that movie. It was really well done. I had to rent it, because I would always catch the last bit of the movie.Haunted Serenity said:
Well Link is restoring balance to nature and preventing world domination by an evil genius. Mario, on the other hand, is simply looking to get laid while Bowser is depriving him of his live in pussy.Onyx Oblivion said:
Both noble goals in my opinion.
ElephantGuts said:
The ACS Module and Rojas telling Soap about the Gulag were explicitly mentioned in-game, I just read about Raptor seeming to be the President on TvTropes, and that entire explanation about No Russian was just balls-out speculation.
As I said, my explanation of No Russian was all extrapolation, although I agree that it's a little weak to have the entire motivation of the Big Bad as "he belongs to this faction."
As for Shepherd, there were several reasons. First, he wanted power, in the form of the "blank check" that was given to him to deal with Makarov. Don't think I have to explain that one too much. Second, he had wanted to go to war with Russia ever since the nuke (which killed a lot of his men) from the first game was traced back to Russia. This also leads to his "involvement": he and Makarov shared something of a common goal, in that they wanted their respective countries to be at war with one another. So, Shepherd gave the Russians back the ACS module, told Makarov about Allen, and possibly more that we aren't told about (that partnership also explains why Makarov knew where to find Shepherd at the end when Price called him). And it was all there in the hard drive Roach was carrying when he was killed. He couldn't risk that getting out, and as I explained above, he probably felt he didn't need 141 anymore since he had Shadow Company.
As I said, my explanation of No Russian was all extrapolation, although I agree that it's a little weak to have the entire motivation of the Big Bad as "he belongs to this faction."
As for Shepherd, there were several reasons. First, he wanted power, in the form of the "blank check" that was given to him to deal with Makarov. Don't think I have to explain that one too much. Second, he had wanted to go to war with Russia ever since the nuke (which killed a lot of his men) from the first game was traced back to Russia. This also leads to his "involvement": he and Makarov shared something of a common goal, in that they wanted their respective countries to be at war with one another. So, Shepherd gave the Russians back the ACS module, told Makarov about Allen, and possibly more that we aren't told about (that partnership also explains why Makarov knew where to find Shepherd at the end when Price called him). And it was all there in the hard drive Roach was carrying when he was killed. He couldn't risk that getting out, and as I explained above, he probably felt he didn't need 141 anymore since he had Shadow Company.
The first time I watch the original Heavy Metal movie, I just didn't get it. Having watched it without any perception-altering chemicals might have been the problem, but the second time through, it made complete sense.
There was also some right screwed up movie about raves,people trying to make quick cash selling Extasy, and some broad accidentally running over her (former) Extasy dealing, right at the end. Basically, the story showed what I thought was a flashback of him getting run over, then suddenly started telling the stories of a bunch of (supposedly) unconnected people, and how the events on that day led to this girl running the drug dealer over.
Fucked. Right. Up.
There was also some right screwed up movie about raves,people trying to make quick cash selling Extasy, and some broad accidentally running over her (former) Extasy dealing, right at the end. Basically, the story showed what I thought was a flashback of him getting run over, then suddenly started telling the stories of a bunch of (supposedly) unconnected people, and how the events on that day led to this girl running the drug dealer over.
Fucked. Right. Up.
