Exactamundo. Although it is worth noting that Manchester United fans do not cast a reflection in water and a naked one would be unable to trigger the sensor on an automatic door because they aren't real people. It's why they don't have those sensors on the taps at Old Trafford.Rawne1980 said:
This is why I hate "Fake Geek/Gamer Girls"
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I regard the label 'gamer' and 'geek' on the same level as 'goth', 'jock', and other such labels. You can't just become one. You can't just decide, in the example of goths, to wear black, put on black make-up, and start listening to goth/metal/whatever music and be a goth. It's a culture you grow in to. People that suddenly just decide to 'become' a goth/geek/gamer/whatever are posers/fakes.
Luckily it's generally not that hard to find out who the 'real' (inset culture label here) is and who's a fake. But it still kinda sucks that the fakes are starting to take over in certain area's of each culture.
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Reminds me of my neighbor when I was still living with my parents. In about the time span of a week she turned from a regular, average school girl into a 'goth'. As in she started wearing black, dyed her hair black, put on spiked bracelets and such, and...heck I doubt she even really listened to goth/metal bands. And she stuck out...so badly. The way she acted, how she was wearing said clothes, everything just screamed 'I'm just trying to copy others'. Was a bit sad really.
Luckily it's generally not that hard to find out who the 'real' (inset culture label here) is and who's a fake. But it still kinda sucks that the fakes are starting to take over in certain area's of each culture.
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Reminds me of my neighbor when I was still living with my parents. In about the time span of a week she turned from a regular, average school girl into a 'goth'. As in she started wearing black, dyed her hair black, put on spiked bracelets and such, and...heck I doubt she even really listened to goth/metal bands. And she stuck out...so badly. The way she acted, how she was wearing said clothes, everything just screamed 'I'm just trying to copy others'. Was a bit sad really.
To the original poster, an honest question:
Are you also upset with fair-weather sports fans or television enthusiasts who claim a program is their favorite despite beginning with the second season?
There is nothing but intelligence behind the recent surge of "Geek Chic". I only wish I had thought of it. There are some cunning businessmen and women (the current CEO of Hot Topic by the way, is female) lining their pockets with gold coins.
Are you also upset with fair-weather sports fans or television enthusiasts who claim a program is their favorite despite beginning with the second season?
There is nothing but intelligence behind the recent surge of "Geek Chic". I only wish I had thought of it. There are some cunning businessmen and women (the current CEO of Hot Topic by the way, is female) lining their pockets with gold coins.
I think you may be on to something.Bertylicious said:
There are many people who seem to think that all nerdy women are somehow new to the hobby (like a guy in a game shop who decided to explain DA:O to me).
Also there are those who are very invested in being the people who were excluded, even though now they've turned into the ones trying to exclude others.
I've heard a lot along the lines of `You wouldn't like me 10 years ago because of my hobby so you can't join it!`.
Or maybe people just hate them because they are even more annoying than the Xbox-mounthbreathing-children but with the royalty of being a women (who we all know, they are inmune to criticism and failure)
How exactly does one inhabit a sub-culture, if not by adapting the style/behaviors of that sub-culture? Is there some kind of test you need to take to be a certified goth?sanquin said:
Hell, I'm not even sure how "gamer" qualifies as a culture, since it tends to be focused entirely on a form of media appreciation. It's like calling someone a fake reader, or a fake television watcher.
Really though, enough has been spoken on this ludicrous topic, has it not?
As I said, you grow into such cultures. You don't decide to just become part of such a culture. Take one of my friends for instance. He slowly changed over the course of two years or so from a kind of dorky kid to a metalhead. It was a natural change because he clearly liked the music and felt comfortable in the style and culture. Compare that to how my neighbor changed as explained in my previous post.BloatedGuppy said:
As the guy in the video in the very first post said, geek culture (and other such cultures) are something you've lived, not something you one day decided to join.
Of course you can decide to do that. Who is to say otherwise? What possible metric can you devise to determine whether or not someone's participation in a "culture" is genuine or merited?sanquin said:
I've likely been a "geek" much longer than you. Would it be appropriate for me to sit in judgment as to whether or not you were "fake" and had no business claiming enthusiasm for properties I enjoyed?
Or would that make me a fucking lunatic?
I'm starting to think that the real nerd subculture is dead anyway. Or rather, not dead so much as buried very deeply on the internet, and less deeply in real life. Time was, you popped onto a dedicated server in an online game, and it had the same kind of friendly, helpful atmosphere as a tabletop game store. That time is long, long gone. Modern gamer culture is nothing like the nerd culture of old at all -- when was the last time you saw someone giving a reference to, say, Dune that went beyond "hey Dune, I heard that was supposed to be a classic, don't I look smart for referencing it?" Or the Foundation trilogy, or the Lensman series[footnote]which is actually the one thing on this list that I haven't read, if anyone is keeping score. And I've got a copy of the first book sitting on my shelf, waiting for me to get the chance.[/footnote], or any number of other classic sci fi stories. When was the last time you traded stories of that one crazy munchkin everyone has in their D&D group? When was the last time you saw someone gushing about Blade Runner, or even acknowledging that Forbidden Planet existed? Where is the wonder at the possibilities of the future, or at the magic of a mythological past? What happened to nerds? And why did the whole culture go from a collection of people who would give each other the shirts off their own backs if necesary -- if for no other reason than that they'd all known what it feels to be mistreated in the past -- to a collection of asshats shouting obscenities at one another?
The real nerd culture still lives, but not on any dedicated gaming site I'm aware of. You'll see glimpses of it on the XKCD forums, and on other places frequented by engineers and nerds of an older generation (forums dedicated to home theater often give glimpses of the old days, for example, and the good ones are frequented by both groups), but not on gaming sites. But really, if you want to see the true nerd culture, you're going to have to go out in the real world and find it. Your first stop should be your friendly neighborhood game shop, and I don't mean the kind that sells videogames. I you don't have one of those, check the comic shop. Look around, there will be one or the other /somewhere/ in the vicinity[footnote]or if you want a shortcut just to get a glimpse of what it was like, do a google groups search on some nerdy topic and limit it to, say, 1981-1995. You'll find plenty of examples of what real nerd culture is all about.[/footnote].
The real nerd culture still lives, but not on any dedicated gaming site I'm aware of. You'll see glimpses of it on the XKCD forums, and on other places frequented by engineers and nerds of an older generation (forums dedicated to home theater often give glimpses of the old days, for example, and the good ones are frequented by both groups), but not on gaming sites. But really, if you want to see the true nerd culture, you're going to have to go out in the real world and find it. Your first stop should be your friendly neighborhood game shop, and I don't mean the kind that sells videogames. I you don't have one of those, check the comic shop. Look around, there will be one or the other /somewhere/ in the vicinity[footnote]or if you want a shortcut just to get a glimpse of what it was like, do a google groups search on some nerdy topic and limit it to, say, 1981-1995. You'll find plenty of examples of what real nerd culture is all about.[/footnote].
Y'know, I'm not really sure why there's even the distinction of being a 'nerd' anymore, considering the level of enthusiasm for such things isn't exclusive.Owyn_Merrilin said:
An enthusiast by any other name, really, like y'said with home theatre.
DioWallachia said:
That video doesn't really demonstrate much, since douchebag guys exist in games too. The girl and women games I know are pretty even-keeled. One I know said she didn't want to talk much in-game for a very long time because she was used to being harassed when people found out she's a girl.
So yeah, it's not a guy/girl problem. It's a general asshat problem.
I don't know about fake gamer girls, but I have been accused of being a fake gamer guy. Not sure if its cos i'm gay and gays aren't allowed to be gamers; or if it is because I am half way attractive (don't mean to sound arrogant but im decent looking lol) and geeks are all supposed to be ugly shut in's.
It's frustrating.
It's frustrating.
Ok seriously, is this an actual thing? Are we afraid if teh evil women stealing our identity or something? I mean come on, you don't see people accusing bronies of being "fake" they just enjoy the show, so please enlighten me, why the crucified fuck Christ can't women just like video games?
