This scare the shit out of anyone else?

[curty129]

Obama himself said to himself "We got him" once the deed had been done and I think Americans have wanted payback for a long time now. Seems like a victory in my books though maybe not worth going crazy over it. Plus killing Bin Laden won't bring all those people back, but it's a start.

WHAT MOVIE OR TV SERIES IS YOUR GIF FROM?

OT: ARRRRRRRR, yes, a little. It gives me the impression that we can still very easily trivialise death if it's not directly happening in front of us.
But then again, this can be considered an exception with it being a thoroughly hated man by a lot of people an' all.

No point in discussing this further, for it's no doubt already been said about 60 times in this thread

 

[redisforever]

[ Bin Laden was a polite, quietly-spoken man. He wasn't the 'evil bastard' or the coward that you perceive him to be.

So his estranged son was lying when he spoke about Osama making him kill his own puppy with a bioweapon or the fact that he took personal credit for 911. Stop being so nieve the guy was a monster. They have stated that a woman died in the attack she was used as a human shield. American's see this as a victory over a man who declared war on them and is no different to the V day celebration of world war 2.

Lying, probably. Heard of exaggeration? Also, he did not take personal credit at first. He said he agreed with the attacks, but later said he taken part in the planning. According to the interviews I've read about him, he was indeed a polite, quietly-spoken man. This is what the US government does, any enemy of theirs is turned into a caricature of themselves.

 

[Wicky_42]

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I'm actually in the military and I was sitting thinking about this same thing when I heard the news yesterday morning. While it's good that justice has been served, and I understand the decisions not to take him alive or bury him in a marked grave, I still can't fathom that people would celebrate a man's death. Especially when we've sacrificed so many of our own in the process, not to mention the countless civilian and friendly foreign military casualties. It seems like a very pyrrhic victory, in my opinion. But what we have to understand was that this was a very powerful symbol in this on going war we've been waging. No one cares when you take out equally threatening but unknown targets. This was almost a confirmation to some if we are really on the right track. My greatest fear is now that they've reaffirmed people's faith in this ongoing conflict if we will replace UBL with some other sufficiently scary figure head and the islamic world's retaliation against our attack.

That was my response as well. It's well and good that a symbolic milestone has been passed, but cause for celebration? Tens of thousands dead, countries invaded, livelihoods destroyed, government lies and infringements of liberties - it's all still going on, the terrorist threat, as the CIA is keen to point out, is likely only bolstered by the perceived martyrdom of their figurehead leader. To party now is as naive as Bush's victory speech back in 2003.

You celebrate when you've won, not when you kill a figurehead. Have a happy drink with some friends after work maybe, sure, but partying in the streets is taking it too far.

I heard that he hid behind one of his wives as he was shot.

Seriously? You 'heard'? Mate, try not to believe in everything you hear.

To be fair, it is being widely reported that he took one of his four wives as a body shield when the special forces turned up, though that didn't stop them. Of course, we only have the US Gov's official report for that but still, if it's in the news you can repeat it without deserving an attack Not going to defend his other comments though

 

[PhiMed]

Honestly, I'm happy that America have got what they consider justice for 911. If my loved ones had died in a situation like this then I can't deny that I'd want nothing more than to see the person responsible dead. However, in no situation can I honestly understand celebrating murder. Yes, he may of deserved to die for his actions but can't America take the higher ground on this!? Sure they have justice for the most shocking tragedy in their history but in my eyes murder is murder and to celebrate it is barbaric. Also, its not like the war on terrorism is over...

A policy or culture of celebrating murder is barbaric, but this is no simple murder. It's the strategic killing of a specific terrorist. Taking our celebration of this as barbarism is a misinterpretation at best.

Well because I'm not America, maybe I just don't understand but I stand by my opinion. Maybe barbaric is a bit harsh but I still think celebrating any murder, no matter who it is, is wrong...

I don't agree that it's murder.

Murder is a crime specified by the penal code of the jurisdiction in which the action occurs. This is certainly a homicide, in the sense that one person killed another person, but that isn't enough to qualify as murder per se.

Most jurisdictions require malice aforethought, and I'm not sure this meets that qualification. I'm betting they would've liked to capture him if they could have, so I don't believe they went in with the thought, "we're definitely going to go in there to kill him". There's a lot of valuable intelligence that most likely died with him, so the decision to kill him wasn't made just for the hell of it.

I think deaths are usually regrettable (even though I have zero sadness at his passing), and I would've liked to see him stand trial for his crimes, but I think your use of the word murder is misplaced.

I'll admit again that I'm not sad he's dead, and I'm glad he is no longer free to roam, so I guess from that perspective I'm glad they killed him. The dancing in the streets certainly looked bad, but celebrating the death of one mass murderer is a hell of a lot classier than celebrating the deaths of a couple thousand innocents.

 

[Popido]

Yea, let's have respect for the guy who claimed responsibility for planning an attack killing thousands. Really, the people who say this are the sick ones in my opinion. You wouldn't feel bad for people celebrating Hitlers or Bush death would you?

Uuh..what? Killing Bush is okay now, because hes hated?

When he drops people will celebrate aswell is what I meant

..This whole thread is one big culture shock to me.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Lying, probably. Heard of exaggeration? Also, he did not take personal credit at first. He said he agreed with the attacks, but later said he taken part in the planning. According to the interviews I've read about him, he was indeed a polite, quietly-spoken man. This is what the US government does, any enemy of theirs is turned into a caricature of themselves.

Just becuase he was polite and quietly spoken doesn't mean he wasn't a psychopath.

 

[Jakub324]

It doesn't scare me, because I'm British, and that shit doesn't work on us, as shown by 7/7 bombings. On top of that, there is nothing of significance within 50 miles of my house

 

[Dense_Electric]

The only thing really sickening me is all the "Moral Highground" bullshit I'm being forced to stomach here. You know what, if you don't want to celebrate and/or find the celebrating of a death wrong, that's cool. That's your choice, I'm not going to judge you. But perhaps you could drop your holier-than-thou attitude about it? I'm laughing at all the comparisons about how "Jesus wouldn't have celebrated." Yeah, but by that logic Jesus wouldn't have been a huge prick about it to everyone who did, you know?

 

[ShakyFiend]

Good debate going, just had a thought, quite an obvious one but, situation: Here Goes.

Many many Islamic civilians in the middle eastern countries have been killed by American forces, whether on purpose (like Abu Gharib and that helicopter shooting wikileaks released, quite a lot of general sadism etc.) or accidental bombings and careless raids. In any case enough to engender some kind of hatred or feelings of vengeance in return. But if Islamic forces somehow assassinated Obama, and then their country, instead of condemning this rather underhand, undiplomatic way of doing things, celebrated in the streets, what would your reaction be?

That its 'fair' and he 'had it coming'? for being directly or indirectly responsible for so many deaths?

Also:

This whole thread is one big culture shock to me.

exactly how I felt when I read Russ Pitt's article

 

[LeeHarveyO]

Well take a look back when Hitler died, I'm sure there was tons of celebration then too. And not just the US either.

 

[Semitendon]

I find it a bit funny how a majority of Americans were totally shocked and pissed off when Al-Qadea and the other Anti-American's were celebrating in the streets and stuff when the 9/11 happened, yet they find themselves doing the EXACT SAME THING.

I'm actually suprised that they didn't bring Osama's body back and parade him around the streets with they amount of joy those people are showing.

Except it's not even close to the "same thing".

See, The twin towers were civilian targets, and while they did have military targets as well, far and away the celebrating in the middle east was about the successful destruction of the twin towers and all of the CIVILIANS that were murdered.

I don't remember ever seeing any videos of thousands of Americans celebrating the bombing of a village of farmers in the middle east.

Osama was a military leader, and unquestionably an evil man. Not only did he commit atrocious acts of terrorism, but in keeping with your seemingly sympathetic ideas, he also damaged the muslim world by increasing prejudice and setting an even more unfavorable view of the middle east.

To the OP: No, it doesn't scare the shit out of me. Personally, I didn't celebrate his death. He was one cog in a large machine. His death was needed, and deserved. I don't have a problem with anyone else saying "Horray, an evil, evil, man is finally dead" But for my own part, I wonder what comes next, and what could change because of his death.

 

[PhiMed]

To be fair, I'm Iraqi and even though Alquadia has done a lot of crap in Iraq I still had this "Oh, nice.." feeling.

I must say I'm disgusted at the Americans for celebrating it. That disgust may come from personal bias as they have ravaged my country far more than Osama and his faction, though.

And I was disgusted with the Iraqis when they made a mockery out of the execution of Saddam.

Oh wait... you didn't personally do that? I guess that'll teach me to lump an entire block of humanity in with a few misguided idiots.

 

[Dusk17]

I dont think they are celebrating his death itself as much as what they think his death means (if that makes any sense)
Its also an excuse to party.

 

[Dense_Electric]

it's more likely that the U.S. had some involvement in 9/11

And with that right there you've officially invalidated anything else you may have had to say.

 

[Ekonk]

All those people saying "justice has been served" do not understand the meaning of "justice".

Sure, the guy was a monster, but just killing him without a trial deprives him of his human rights. It's a slippery slope, y'all.

No it's not. He resisted arrest and shot at the people trying to take him in. In this case shooting back at him is no different than how we'd treat any other criminal in the U.S.

If he surrendered and then we shot him then yeah I'd agree with you.

I'm not sure what I'm going to say now is correct, but then again not that much information has been released, so bear with me, but I thought this mission was intended to kill him from the get go. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[archvile93]

And this is happening all over the US, people are actively celebrating killing a guy? Does that not seem a bit medieval to anyone else? When people turn out in their thousands to celebrate something like this it justs worries me like hell.

This is quite normal for us. My fellow classmates erupted in cheers when OJ was declared not guilty. They talked through the national moment of silence for the Oklahoma City bombing victims. They were more interested in who Clinton was fucking than what he was doing as president, good or bad. This kind of thing more or less continued into adulthood.

People describe the hellish culture of Xbox Live as if it is some new phenomenon. It existed here well before the Internet became a Big Thing.

Don't be disturbed by the fact that many of us are insane misguided cavemen. Be disturbed that we are insane misguided cavemen with a permanent seat on the UN Security council and a nuclear arsenal.

Have a nice day!

That would concern me if every other country on earth wasn't the same. Oh wait, that's worse.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

That its 'fair' and he 'had it coming'? for being directly or indirectly responsible for so many deaths?

There's a difference between being a democratically elected leader of a country and having to make decisions about your countries security and peace and being a homocidal terrorist who kills indiscriminately and actually plans to kill innocents. You can say there has been military actions that went wrong but they didn't deliberately go out there and say we are going to kill x amount of innocent civilians. Which is what Osama did. He's a murderer, why are people defending him?