This scare the shit out of anyone else?

[Misho-]

So, Osama, Ok death of a international hate figure aside etc etc if anyone deserved it he did and so on, thats not what worries me. (although isnt it a bit odd how the US can stroll into a country and execute who they like?)

The troubling thing is this

and

Spoiler: this

and to be honest, this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/editors_note/8844-Editors-Note-Better-Than-Before] as well which is what prompted this thread.

And this is happening all over the US, people are actively celebrating killing a guy? Does that not seem a bit medieval to anyone else? When people turn out in their thousands to celebrate something like this it justs worries me like hell.

Anyone else? Or are you all patriotic Americans and whatnot?

I'm actually in the military and I was sitting thinking about this same thing when I heard the news yesterday morning. While it's good that justice has been served, and I understand the decisions not to take him alive or bury him in a marked grave, I still can't fathom that people would celebrate a man's death. Especially when we've sacrificed so many of our own in the process, not to mention the countless civilian and friendly foreign military casualties. It seems like a very pyrrhic victory, in my opinion. But what we have to understand was that this was a very powerful symbol in this on going war we've been waging. No one cares when you take out equally threatening but unknown targets. This was almost a confirmation to some if we are really on the right track. My greatest fear is now that they've reaffirmed people's faith in this ongoing conflict if we will replace UBL with some other sufficiently scary figure head and the islamic world's retaliation against our attack.

Sir or Ma'am, I sure hope you are in a good position in the military. If not you are wasting your potential No Sarcasm.

Still if you take that picture with the U.S flags and add fire, its just like the celebrations in the middle East when 9/11 happened... :S

 

[Galthram]

First of all, there's no such thing as Good and Evil. Osama wasn't evil, he just believed in something and executed his plans according to it. Sure it caused a lot of pain to a lot of people but he did it because HE believed that it was the right thing to do. It's all about belief, in HIS eyes WE were the evil, HE was the good guy.

After that America also did what they thought it was the right thing to do, executed their plans according to their beliefs. They invaded a country, killed hundreds, a lot of civilians included, losing many lives also, saying that it was war against terrorism, but deep down we know it's main goal was always to capture and probably execute Osama Bin Laden.

Celebrating a death isn't what scares me, what scares me is that those beliefs that made America do that are not the beliefs Americans preach, nor the beliefs most civilized countries preach, those are not beliefs that can be related to a "good" man in our society.

What scares me is that a country was allowed to invade another country with it's whole army, hunt him for ten years with the intention of execute him and the rest of the world is just fine with it. And let's not be naive here, did anyone actually believe that Osama would ever be captured alive?

I'm not scared of America, I'm scared of the whole world itself.

 

[TerribleAssassin]

We admit he was evil, but no matter evil, celebrating another persons death, is sick.

 

[TerribleAssassin]

We admit he was evil, but no matter evil, celebrating another persons death, is sick.

EDIT: Ahh, double post, ignore me please...

 

[Fetzenfisch]

The only thing missing was people firing in the air and it would have reminded me of something...
no i can't say i like that pictures. Feel relieved, feel even satisfied. But throwing a party after an execution is inhumane.
But as i see most people on the pictures i saw looked like they might have been..6-10 at september 11th 2001, they probably grew up with Osama being the evil boogeyman.
If they can remember, they couldnt objectivly think about the whole situation.
I can't remember everyone starting fireworks after the death of Slobodan Milo?ević. If it really is just about "evil man is dead" and not pure bloodlust and barbaric feelings, where was that parade?
And i reckon that guy definatly a worse villain. Getting a "lucky" success with a single big attack or letting his people hunt down thousands of civillians over long periods are definatly different qualities of assholism.

 

[Jamous]

I found this kind of amusing, and it also sums up my view of the whole thing; yes, it's great that he's dead. But it probably won't make that much difference, unfortunately.

 

[BanthaFodder]

I heard that he hid behind one of his wives as he was shot. It's hard not to hate such a man, a coward who would ask others to commit suicide for his cause. Is it right to celebrate his death? No. But neither were the bastard's actions in life. This man got what was coming to him, and the celebrating afterward is more humiliation of a man that deserves it, whether it was right of us to dish it out or not.

Medieval? Yes, a bit. But it appears we haven't evolved our base instincts much over time, especially the one that controls our thirst for vengeance. I can't say I blame the Americans that did this, and frankly that's one less evil bastard in the world to deal with.

Seriously? You 'heard'? Mate, try not to believe in everything you hear. For all his shortcomings, Bin Laden was a polite, quietly-spoken man. He wasn't the 'evil bastard' or the coward that you perceive him to be. He was just a man who believed in a cause. While I don't condone his kind of extremism (no one should), you reaction is more than a little over the top.
And for the record, the Americans are being overly patriotic and just a little bit silly if they are celebrating a man's death. Not only is this fairly disgusting in principle, but they are jubilant when this 'war on terror' is nowhere near from over. It will never be won, it can't be. And I think you should all save your relief for after any seriously repercussions that could quite possibly occur following Osama Bin Laden's death.

first off, it is confirmed, he hid behind one of his wives. secondly, really? he was a polite, quietly-spoken man? "death to America", yes, quite eloquent. yes, he believed in an ideal, and that ideal was distorting a religion into something completely different and murdering countless innocents who disagreed with his so-called "ideals". yes, he IS an evil bastard. he has murdered countless innocent men, women, and children. and you're really trying to defend him? you said in your post that you aren't trying to condone his actions, I'll give you that, but anyone who kills innocent people because of religious differences is a horrible horrible person. you don't have to be "happy" about his death (I agree, it feels kinda wrong to be happy about someone's death), but people need to remember, HE WAS A TERRORIST. the literal definition of "terrorist" is one who uses fear to achieve their goals. is celebrating his death taking the moral high ground? no way, but I'll be dammed if I wasn't overjoyed to see that there's one less horrible son of a ***** on this Earth. will terrorism just "stop"? no. Is Al-Queda wiped from the face of the Earth? no. will this bring every fallen soldier back from the Middle East? no. will his bring back every innocent victim from the Pentagon, or the Twin Towers, or that field in Pennsylvania? no. but like I said, one less evil bastard. call me a "barbarian". call me an "idiot". call me a "monster". I don't care. he's dead, I'm happy, with good reason.

 

[Jonci]

The US isn't known for failing to respond to an attack or losing to an enemy.

Vietnam says hi

Yeah, not really happy about that either.

 

[MoD1212]

Sooo Summary of this Thread

People will always react differently to death, and to some that means to show respect to the dead in all situations, while others will react indifferent and other will show extreme emotion

And all of these are perfectly normal and fine reactions to death

regardless of that however, this is man, who has personally taken responsibility, for the death of the and suffering on Thousands, the effect of those deaths have impacted Millions.

so yes he definitely deserved it and as Americans we are justified for celebrating the death of a man that has had us living in fear for a decade, even if its a little barbaric

is celebrating his death taking the moral high ground? no way, but I'll be dammed if I wasn't overjoyed to see that there's one less horrible son of a ***** on this Earth. will terrorism just "stop"? no. Is Al-Queda wiped from the face of the Earth? no. will this bring every fallen soldier back from the Middle East? no. will his bring back every innocent victim from the Pentagon, or the Twin Towers, or that field in Pennsylvania? no. but like I said, one less evil bastard. call me a "barbarian". call me an "idiot". call me a "monster". I don't care. he's dead, I'm happy, with good reason.

also this

 

[Cyrax987]

Oh god another one of these threads. All I'm going to add is that everyone celebrated Hitler's death and Osama was celebrated by the United States because of 9/11. Its pretty common among cultures, I'm pretty sure jews rejoiced after knowing Hitler was dead.

 

[Popido]

Yea, let's have respect for the guy who claimed responsibility for planning an attack killing thousands. Really, the people who say this are the sick ones in my opinion. You wouldn't feel bad for people celebrating Hitlers or Bush death would you?

Uuh..what? Killing Bush is okay now, because hes hated?

Oh god another one of these threads. All I'm going to add is that everyone celebrated Hitler's death and Osama was celebrated by the United States because of 9/11. Its pretty common among cultures, I'm pretty sure jews rejoiced after knowing Hitler was dead.

Hitler's death marked the end of war and holocaust.

 

[Nagisa94]

This sums up what I believe:

?Joyfully celebrating the killing of a killer who joyfully celebrated killing carries an irony that I hope will not be lost on us. Are we learning anything, or simply spinning harder in the cycle of violence??
- Brian McLaren

 

[DanWydola]

I am an american and i say there is a difference between killing and celebrating death and celebrating this man's death. Not to say i didnt think people were acting rediculas,still it's payback, besides he's not even a guy willing to die for his cause, he's a guy willing to kill for a cause and that impresses no one. He was a pathetic man who deserved nothing less than to die.

btw it's not like we snuck around and got him with a few lucky shots, it was a fire fight. his son shot at our men, he died. he also killed his wife by using her as a human sheild. such people dont deserve life.

 

[joshthor]

its not so much a celebration of his death as it is a celebration of a victory - he may be one man - but he is an icon, and a leader of the most hated terrorist organization to the united states. its like a war - osama was a battle - and we won. the war isnt over. but the battle is.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Also, even if it would be a targeted killing, it's still a killing. It's still celebrating the killing of a man. That core doesn't change. But that's how humans are, so whatever.

I think reducing it down to that is missing the point of why there was celebration. No one was cheering murder in general, just the killing of this specific man by our forces. There's much more to it than "man was killed."

Doesn't make it any less of a killing. No matter how you wrap it up, it's the killing of a man. Don't get me wrong, I'm not sad he's gone or anything. One less psychopath is still one less psychopath, but celebrating it is just silly. Understandable? Of course, but still silly.

And yes, a large part of the much-more things just makes it even more silly, seeing as his killing just made him more powerful and influential. The idea he propagated is only reinforced by his death. His influence was dwindling first, but it's just coming back now.

 

[pliusmannn]

Yeah, all these celebrations make me upset aswell. I would celebrate an end of a war, but not the killing of a man no matter how evil. These celebrations makes me see most of America as hypocrites, full of wanna-be faithful, but once again evil as the man they've killed. Also lol at the hand with peace symbol there, that's just pathetic...

I may not be celebrating the death of Osama with anything more than somberness, but this right here? Don't take a pathetic moral high ground if you don't understand the situation.

Here's a little perspective: It's been a very bitter decade. With war after war and the recession hitting the world hard, there's finally a scrap of good news. As a generation, our maturation has been put on pause fueled by an after-911 setting of paranoia and fear. Most of the people who have been celebrating were barely eight-to-twelve at the time of this 9/11 happening and for most, they've never heard of anything more terrible before in their so-far short lives. It was seared into their memory and had such a profound effect. For those who weren't children at the time, it brought them together and united a country that at times is at constant arguing with itself, one half against another. It brought a sense of unity for them that lasted longer for some rather than others, but it still brought them together, even through grief.

In the wake of all of this bad news that has been compounding and piling on top of us for the past decade, people finally got some good news to celebrate over that wasn't just another "WOO, Superbowl!" They're not celebrating the death of a man; they're celebrating their relief that things might slowly be able to turn back to normal. Whether this is a naive view is up for debate, but that's beside the point.

I'm not celebrating the death of Osama, but after having been given this perspective on the situation I believe calling out "hypocrite" and "pathetic!" is founded in ignorance.

Your view is right, but from my point of view, when I am not US citizen, when in my country we celebrate these releavance occassions silently, this seems not right, yes someone accepts it as an starting end to a war, but it's not the end itself, also US wasn't reppressed, it wasn't colonised or attacked by a whole country, decade of this war seems nothing compared to soviets and their consentration camps, nazis and camps of theirs, and soviets actally was worse, except world was ignorant to this