This Vita hate train is getting ridiculous.

[Ninjasander]

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The only games it has that I would want to play or that I don't have on other systems are Persona 3 and 4 and I'd rather buy a Playstation 2 to play those than get a Vita.

I just want to point out the differences from Persona 4 and Golden.
http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Persona_4_Golden#Gameplay_Changes

 

[shrekfan246]

...and that is a hate train how? We'll have to degrade 'hate' to 'dislike' or 'am impartial to' and use a word like 'loathe' or 'despise' in place of 'hate' to convey our emotions soon enough. -_-

Soon enough? You must be new to the internet. People have been using 'hate' to describe 'mild dislike' or 'slight indifference' for years, on both ends. People overstate how much other people don't like something, but people also overblow how much they themselves don't like something.

(Not talking about you specifically) And if you consider all of the people complaining about the Wii U a 'hate train', then surely you could consider the same for the Vita since it doesn't even have a Vita version of the Nintendo Defense Force to roll into threads talking up how great it is. Comments about how it "has no games" still outnumber everything else five to one. It's fine if it doesn't have anything that interests you or if you already own original versions of ports, but that doesn't change the fact that other people might not.

Saying it "has no games" when I've got BlazBlue Continuum Shift EXTEND, Persona 4 Golden, Gravity Rush, Playstation All-Stars, LittleBigPlanet Vita, Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward, Ragnarok Odyssey, Persona 3 Portable, Final Fantasy IX, Final Fantasy VII, Disgaea 1-3, Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, and soon to be Wipeout, Soul Sacrifice, Dragon's Crown, and Muramasa Rebirth just smacks of moving goal posts.

Why should it matter that I already own a physical copy of Final Fantasy IX and a working PS1? It's $10 to get it completely portable, upscaled to a cleaner resolution and fully playable in the palm of my hand whenever I want with all of the functionality of the Vita around it. Maybe I prefer how quick and convenient the system itself is for all of those games I could also have on the PS3, like say fighting games. Because I can just jump in, enjoy a match or two, and then stop whenever I feel like playing. Maybe being able to get the entire Disgaea franchise (outside of 4, which I hope gets ported eventually) on one easy platform is a huge plus. And I find it really hard to believe there isn't anything on the PS1/PSP game lists that people haven't bought before and wouldn't be interested in. Or if a game is good enough, why should it matter to buy it again? Ten bucks for Final Fantasy IX is practically a steal.

Yeah, the entry price for the system is still crazy-high especially with memory cards, hopefully Sony can rectify that. But it's paying itself back in the games department.

 

[ScrabbitRabbit]

Persona 4 Golden, Gravity Rush, Soul Sacrifice, Silent Hill Book of Memories, Assassin's Creed, Zero Escape, Uncharted, and these are just the really good Vita exclusives.

Zero Escape isn't exclusive.

I think what people mean by "no great games" is "there aren't any games that warrant the price, for me." Which is the case for myself. Gravity Rush and Soul Sacrifice look good, but I have Persona and Zero Escape on other systems and the rest of those games don't interest me.

I don't want it to fail, I just don't want one. Until it hits a price point I find reasonable or gets enough games I want to justify it's price I'm not going to buy one. I believe that this is the attitude of a lot of people.

 

[Eevee]

The majority of those titles are multiplatform games already available or soon-to-be released on platforms people already own. That's not how you tempt people to buy your $250 handheld. When you're trying to get people to stump up that sort of cash, you need to give them every last reason you can think of to pick it up. Marketing on the fact it can play many of your PS3 games is not the way to go about it. The Vita doesn't just need a couple of exclusives, it needs enough exclusives to validate its existence as a console in its own right, not just as an add-on to whatever console Sony is currently marketing.


Seriously? Nintendo are putting out exclusives every month until next year, have seen sales skyrocket as a result, and you think they're the ones in trouble?

The internet can be such a weird place sometimes...

I think your defense is solid and everything towards your opinion... But I think you should also list these exclusives you say the 3DS has, I'm kinda interested as a non-3DS owner but a Vita owner.

 

[HHammond]

See I'm sorta thinking about getting a Vita but I honestly can't really justify it. I got Persona 4 on the PS2 and fell in love HARD with it and am desperate to play Golden, which is obviously a Vita exclusive, so I'm tempted to try and pick up a second hand Vita somewhere. However, I'm not sure I can justify spending £100 (which is what I've found thereabouts second hand) for a single game, so would anyone like to recommend me some games for the Vita? I like RPGs mostly with great stories, but I'm pretty much into any game with a good story.

 

[Piorn]

I have to be honest, I never actively looked for any information on any portable console, neither do I own one.
Yet, I still know some 3DS games and know what the 3DS can do.
About the Vita, I literally have no idea about anything. What games does it have? What hardware? Why should I care? I don't know anyone who has one.

I guess it's just a severe case of the Penguin Effect.

 

[PanYue]

Both my 3DS XL's came with chargers...sooooo. Yeah.

 

[Eevee]

What games does it have? What hardware? Why should I care? I don't know anyone who has one.

I guess it's just a severe case of the Penguin Effect.

Though people say the games are in few, there's actually quite a bit of them. You have your games like Playstation All-Stars Battle Royal, which can actually play in unison with the PS3. You have titles also on the PS3 such as Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time. But you also have basically all titles of the original Playstation Portable up for download on PSN along with PS1 titles too. Exclusives are admittedly also really good, you have Little Big Planet Vita, Soul Sacrifice which is a recent title, Gravity Rush, etc. The latter two being completely original games in terms of being the first with the title.

The hardware is pretty solid, though I can't give you the specs off hand, I know that it's the strongest handheld console to date, with great looking graphics and even able to handle PS3 games. It does have two built in cameras, which both are really good quality (like for Skype), a built in microphone (Which you can freely turn off without quitting your game or going offline), two analog sticks which is something new to the handheld consoles (something you must purchase a separate peripheral from Japan to have for the 3DS), and the ability to transfer some data from PC to PS3 through Content Manager. It does, much like the DS/3DS has two touch screens, one in the front and one in the back. The front being like an iPod's touch screen and the back being the same... But in the back. I think that's all to touch on...

Why you should care? Well, you've never owned a handheld. You seem a bit vaguely interested in any... So you gotta answer that yourself.

And you don't know? Well, that's just fine, you don't need to really. I don't know anyone in real life that owns a 3DS. It just happens.

I hope this helped you a little, sorry if it seems rushed.

 

[Snotnarok]

I don't really count what I've seen as hate but ignorance on the matter

Vita has no games: Okay I guess backwards compatibility with PSP digital titles, PSone titles don't count as good games. So no FFVII, Monster Hunter, God of War and such. "But that's not exclusive" The previous still counts as you can transfer it to your PS3/PSP and keep playing, but exclusive PSV titles? Persona 4 Golden, Disgaea 3, Ragnarok Odyssey, Uncharted, Unit 13, Soul Sacrifice, Playstation All Stars, Sly Cooper, Rayman Orgins are all great Vita titles and some you can even get free when you buy the PS3 versions.

And I've not really seen others offer a similar thing as mentioned above, also any PSOne game purchased on your PS3 also transfers to your PSV/PSP so there's some more awesome for you. Too buff this up if you pay for PS+ you get to play a number of PS3/PSP/PSV games free and it's cross platform when you buy, and I don't think saying it's not worth it qualifies when people pay for XBL and all they get is free adverts on their console.

Vita is too expensive: Well I got my vita for $189 flat which included a new 8GB card, new game and shipping vs 3DS-XL with nothing= $199.99+tax. I'd say the price for a 3DS XL on ebay but they're always cost near new systems. Now that doesn't take into account the PSN games I bought that work on the Vita that I already owned, so I got a few games to play with considering.

So again it's not hate, it's not stupidity.... people just don't know better or try to get a deal.

 

[kaizen2468]

I bought my vita second hand for $140 with a memory card and a bunch of accesories, like the clip on controller thing which is amazing btw...
it's a shame the system doesn't get more games on it because it is a pretty good system, the screen is gorgeous and it's the most comfortable hand held i've ever used thanks for the controller clipon. Frankly i think it's work buying one(not new, it's stupid expensive) just for persona 4 golden.

 

[Eevee]

That is not a bad lineup, by any definition. In fact, I think it might be the biggest lineup of exclusives out of any console this year. That's the sort of thing Sony need to start doing if they want the Vita to succeed, and so far they really haven't been showing any desire to do that.

Thanks for the info, I've honestly heard of a lot of those games, but I wanted to know if there was anything I didn't hear of.

I kinda agree with the exclusives opinion too, the ones it has are pretty damn good like Gravity Rush, and the iteration exclusives are also really good, like Little Big Planet. But more exclusives would be good, even HD exclusives like Jak and Daxter Trilogy HD will be Vita only I read. But honestly the cross-play and multiplatform also including the Vita, a handheld, is a pretty awesome idea that works. And is part of the reason I bought one.

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

I give a resounding "Meh" to vita hate (I never see an excessive amount though). I read that there was poll that said an overwhelming number of vita owner are happy with their purchase so hate is coming from non-owners. It doesn't matter anyway. There are legit reasons to not buy one. Its not a console for everyone, I happen to use mine everyday so when people say "it sucks" I know that aint exactly true

 

[The Apple BOOM]

I think your defense is solid and everything towards your opinion... But I think you should also list these exclusives you say the 3DS has, I'm kinda interested as a non-3DS owner but a Vita owner.

Mario Kart
Mario 3D
NSMB 2
Fire Emblem
Luigi's Mansion
Monster Hunter, and before you say that's just a port of a Wii game, if you think that, you do not know monster hunter, or its fans

Not to mention Ocarina of Time, and while that is a port of the N64 game, it sells incredibly well. It's like the 3DS's Persona 4, except more popular.

 

[Eevee]

That's something that works for you, but I hope you can understand that you are part of a minority in that regard. Most people don't want to, or don't have the cash to buy an expensive handheld to act as a luxury controller and to play games they already own on other platforms. Most people buy handhelds for their exclusives, which is why the Vita is currently getting its arse kicked. It can't survive just by appealing to like cross-play. For most people, that's an ancillary feature, something that doesn't factor into their purchase at all.

Actually, I think I should've mentioned this... I am a hard worker, and I don't really use my Vita for a luxury controller. I don't own a PS3, I actually own the 360. I bought the Vita out of pocket from my own hard earned cash and I made sure I had money to spare just in case, and it was bought on Black Friday. Like the 3DS being $250 at launch, that's a hell no for me even with the Vita. But $200 for a completely new Vita, with all the accessories you need, a memory card, and a game? (Albeit one of the worst games, Black Ops Declassified) That's one hell yes in my book.

All my Vita games? Don't own them on another system. But being able to buy games that are also on another system? That's a pretty good plus. I'm probably the minority like you said unless someone can assure it, but as a Vita owner... I can say that's a pretty neat positive. Might not work for you, but it does with other people. Like the 3DS' Monster Hunter can connect with the Wii U's I heard.

Mario Kart
Mario 3D
NSMB 2
Fire Emblem
Luigi's Mansion
Monster Hunter, and before you say that's just a port of a Wii game, if you think that, you do not know monster hunter, or its fans

Not to mention Ocarina of Time, and while that is a port of the N64 game, it sells incredibly well. It's like the 3DS's Persona 4, except more popular.

I know Monster Hunter on 3DS is different, I'm not too oblivious to the 3DS heheh... Thanks for the info though. And watch out, I don't want you getting attacked for your opinion...

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

Not to mention Ocarina of Time, and while that is a port of the N64 game, it sells incredibly well. It's like the 3DS's Persona 4, except more popular.

Well that's open to debate

 

[The Apple BOOM]

Not to mention Ocarina of Time, and while that is a port of the N64 game, it sells incredibly well. It's like the 3DS's Persona 4, except more popular.

Well that's open to debate

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/71321/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/62901/persona-4-the-golden/

Globally, it's 3.05m against 0.42m.

I know Monster Hunter on 3DS is different, I'm not too oblivious to the 3DS heheh... Thanks for the info though. And watch out, I don't want you getting attacked for your opinion...

I'm just trying to clarify the Monster Hunter point, because so many people who don't know Monster Hunter see it as more of a rerelease as opposed to about 4 new monsters in a game with around 30 total monsters, twice the amount of gear, and twice as many quests.

Edit: finally got the formatting right

 

[The Apple BOOM]

sorry for the double post