To all you homophobes: Why?

[Ancientgamer]

Not to the same sex.

Not that not being natural is really a bad thing, most of the things in the world today are unnatural. But please explain to me, by what leap of logic, even from an atheistic standpoint could homosexuality be considered "natural"

Because it's a feeling you naturally have and can't control... Whether you're attracted to men, or women, or both, it's natural nomatter which and nomatter what gender you are. Of course, that isn't a fact, but neither is it a fact that it isn't natural. But if you believe that being straight is natural, then surely you must agree that being gay is natural. They are both feelings of attraction.

Did you choose to be attracted to the opposite sex? I don't think you did. You can't choose who you're attracted to, no more than you can choose what gender you are from birth, or what you look like. It's a part of you. Therefore, natural.

I never said I was an athiest by the way.

You're talking in poetic terms, scientifically it's a deformity that occurs in the development of the brain, e.g. it's not supposed to happen.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Butt sex. /thread

Hehe, but seriously, Its mostly due to people being uncomfortable in their own masculinity/femininity and feeling the need to overcompensate by railing on homosexuals. This is especially true on teenagers who are experiencing new feelings and emotion...blah, blah, blah, birds and bees...and are unsure of their own self and thus feel the need to conform to society's idea of what is normal(straight) and attack everything else out of their own insecurities. I'm sure someone else(a psych major) could explain it better.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

You're talking in poetic terms, scientifically it's a deformity that occurs in the development of the brain, e.g. it's not supposed to happen.

And where's your proof on that?

I don't believe it's a deformity; but even if we say for a second that it is, it's still something that can't be controlled anymore than being straight is controlled, still a part of you, still something that develops beyond anyone's control. So we're really just arguing semantics.

 

[PlasticPorter]

I would that it is because people are scared of things that are different and because people are scared by different views and opinions they react adversely

 

[Ignignoct]

its because its not natural
our bodyes are ment for us to be with the oppositesex, not the same sex
thats why im against it

"EXHIBIT D!"

I'm on a roll, peeps.

I wonder if "Exhibit E" will talk about
1. lasagnas d
2. the french
3. obi-wan kenobi
or 4. all of the above

My thought's exactly. Really why are you labeling these posts? are you putting together a thesis?

"OBJECTION!"

They're all people who validate my point. The cheesy labeling is just shameless self-fellating.

And yes.

I AM that flexible.

 

[Alucarde666]

I just wanted to say i believe in gay rights and gay marriage and i don't get why anyone would be anti-gay marriage, it doesn't effect you does it?? If you said yes how if you aren't gay yourself? Its not like it will effect old marriages or make you gay all of a sudden.

 

[Ignignoct]

I can change the word homosexual for pedophile and have pretty much the same argument. Since I have a problem with pedophiles, I have a problem with homosexuals.

Pedophiles are sick perverts who prey onto poor innocent children who aren't old enough to know about sex.

I don't think you have any idea what a pedophile is.

Anyway, as a christen I'm against homosexuality, but not homosexuals themselves. I know full well it's beyond their control, (as most informed christens do) and I personally don't think less of them for it. The christen position is actually that homosexuals should practice calibacy. And I don't think less of those who don't, I just go "oh well" and hope they decide to come around.

You're an excellent example of the majority of the voting Americans.

Yeah, they know they're people, but they've got a disorder, and need to snap out of it. The homosexuals, of course, not the christians. You shouldn't validate their disease with rights and protections.

Within the context of Christianity, he's absolutely correct, and actually more merciful than is necessary.

Except I don't think any amount of sanctions will make a homosexual "snap out of it" (Is such a thing possible?) In fact I'm against religion influencing laws, mostly because, even within the context of christianity, accepting god is a personal commitment, and if you make a law that says they can't sin, fine, but they still won't be a christen. They need to change by their own volition and decision. Thus laws serve no purpose other than to breed resentment, and destroy the whole point of free will in the first place.

I accept your apology.

You're correct; and the problem will continue to exist.

 

[Fronken]

Alot of people have called me a homophobe, though im really not, true, i find the thought of men having sex disgusting, but it doesnt affect me, as long as they dont try and chat me up, im fine with there being homosexuals out there.

And as for rights, they should get the same rights as everyone else, i mean they are human after all...dont see why they shouldnt have the right to live like the rest of us.

And its actually true what you say, alot of the worlds bigotry comes from the bible, and i just find that stupid, i mean sure if you believe in god, good for you, but dont judge people by what some old book says, i had one of my mates come out of the closet a couple of years back, true i was chocked, but i mean who wouldnt be?, but i accepted him just as he was and he's still my mate.

Oh and when it comes to gay people, this may be very sexist but i find 2 men together disgusting, while 2 women together is probably the most beautiful thing in the world.

Yeah, because boners are disgusting *except yours*, and tits are TITS.

"Judge and Jury, and present to you... EXHIBIT B!"

As i said earlier in my post, im not a homophobe, i accept everyone and want everyone to have the same rights, the last bit was just my personal preference when it comes to my own sexuality, and yeah, i think two men having sex is disgusting, because i myself could neither give or recieve sex from another dude, i simply dont get aroused by other men.

Try to read through the entire post next time and dont misquote one part of it out of context.

 

[Ignignoct]

Alot of people have called me a homophobe, though im really not, true, i find the thought of men having sex disgusting, but it doesnt affect me, as long as they dont try and chat me up, im fine with there being homosexuals out there.

And as for rights, they should get the same rights as everyone else, i mean they are human after all...dont see why they shouldnt have the right to live like the rest of us.

And its actually true what you say, alot of the worlds bigotry comes from the bible, and i just find that stupid, i mean sure if you believe in god, good for you, but dont judge people by what some old book says, i had one of my mates come out of the closet a couple of years back, true i was chocked, but i mean who wouldnt be?, but i accepted him just as he was and he's still my mate.

Oh and when it comes to gay people, this may be very sexist but i find 2 men together disgusting, while 2 women together is probably the most beautiful thing in the world.

Yeah, because boners are disgusting *except yours*, and tits are TITS.

"Judge and Jury, and present to you... EXHIBIT B!"

As i said earlier in my post, im not a homophobe, i accept everyone and want everyone to have the same rights, the last bit was just my personal preference when it comes to my own sexuality, and yeah, i think two men having sex is disgusting, because i myself could neither give or recieve sex from another dude, i simply dont get aroused by other men.

Try to read through the entire post next time and dont misquote one part of it out of context.

No, it's cool bro. I get it. You tolerate gay people as long as they don't chat it up with you, and you think what they do is disgusting. Except for lesbians, because they got super-hot boobies and no dicks.

Normal as could be.

 

[lenin_117]

told you religion was one of the only justified answeres to it.

Justified? I don't think so!

 

[Ancientgamer]

Alot of people have called me a homophobe, though im really not, true, i find the thought of men having sex disgusting, but it doesnt affect me, as long as they dont try and chat me up, im fine with there being homosexuals out there.

And as for rights, they should get the same rights as everyone else, i mean they are human after all...dont see why they shouldnt have the right to live like the rest of us.

And its actually true what you say, alot of the worlds bigotry comes from the bible, and i just find that stupid, i mean sure if you believe in god, good for you, but dont judge people by what some old book says, i had one of my mates come out of the closet a couple of years back, true i was chocked, but i mean who wouldnt be?, but i accepted him just as he was and he's still my mate.

Oh and when it comes to gay people, this may be very sexist but i find 2 men together disgusting, while 2 women together is probably the most beautiful thing in the world.

Yeah, because boners are disgusting *except yours*, and tits are TITS.

"Judge and Jury, and present to you... EXHIBIT B!"

As i said earlier in my post, im not a homophobe, i accept everyone and want everyone to have the same rights, the last bit was just my personal preference when it comes to my own sexuality, and yeah, i think two men having sex is disgusting, because i myself could neither give or recieve sex from another dude, i simply dont get aroused by other men.

Try to read through the entire post next time and dont misquote one part of it out of context.

No, it's cool bro. I get it. You tolerate gay people as long as they don't chat it up with you, and you think what they do is disgusting. Except for lesbians, because they got super-hot boobies and no dicks.

Normal as could be.

Think of it this way, let's say you think asparagus is a disgusting piece of food, all slimy and mushy, but then one of your friends comes along, and he loves asparagus, he eats it all the time. Now, just because you hate asparagus and he likes it, are you bigoted against him? Can you be his friend anymore? Furthermore, how would you feel if he constantly tries to offer you asparagus, something that makes you vomit just to smell?

Get this through your head, "tolerance" isn't "acceptance." People don't need to accept a lifestyle to tolerate it.

 

[xxcloud417xx]

What disgusts you so much about homosexuality, or gay marriage or even gay rights?

What do you care? Are you gay?

My sexuality is not what matters, I'm simply curious. And what if I said I WAS gay? What if I said I was straight? What if I'm bisexual? How would that affect anything?

 

[Ignignoct]

Alot of people have called me a homophobe, though im really not, true, i find the thought of men having sex disgusting, but it doesnt affect me, as long as they dont try and chat me up, im fine with there being homosexuals out there.

And as for rights, they should get the same rights as everyone else, i mean they are human after all...dont see why they shouldnt have the right to live like the rest of us.

And its actually true what you say, alot of the worlds bigotry comes from the bible, and i just find that stupid, i mean sure if you believe in god, good for you, but dont judge people by what some old book says, i had one of my mates come out of the closet a couple of years back, true i was chocked, but i mean who wouldnt be?, but i accepted him just as he was and he's still my mate.

Oh and when it comes to gay people, this may be very sexist but i find 2 men together disgusting, while 2 women together is probably the most beautiful thing in the world.

Yeah, because boners are disgusting *except yours*, and tits are TITS.

"Judge and Jury, and present to you... EXHIBIT B!"

As i said earlier in my post, im not a homophobe, i accept everyone and want everyone to have the same rights, the last bit was just my personal preference when it comes to my own sexuality, and yeah, i think two men having sex is disgusting, because i myself could neither give or recieve sex from another dude, i simply dont get aroused by other men.

Try to read through the entire post next time and dont misquote one part of it out of context.

No, it's cool bro. I get it. You tolerate gay people as long as they don't chat it up with you, and you think what they do is disgusting. Except for lesbians, because they got super-hot boobies and no dicks.

Normal as could be.

Think of it this way, let's say you think asparagus is a disgusting piece of food, all slimy and mushy, but then one of your friends comes along, and he loves asparagus, he eats it all the time. Now, just because you hate asparagus and he likes it, are you bigoted against him? Can you be his friend anymore? Furthermore, how would you feel if he constantly tries to offer you asparagus, something that makes you vomit just to smell?

Get this through your head, "tolerance" isn't "acceptance." People don't need to accept a lifestyle to tolerate it.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

You thought I was being sarcastic. I wasn't.

...

And since when does asparagus cause AIDS?... Do you have an anti-vegetable agenda?

 

[supermaster1337]

told you religion was one of the only justified answeres to it.

Justified? I don't think so!

look at almost all of the reasons that others said why they were. That is how i justified it.

 

[lenin_117]

told you religion was one of the only justified answeres to it.

Justified? I don't think so!

look at almost all of the reasons that others said why they were. That is how i justified it.

Religion in no way justifies homophobia

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Even if a certain religion is against homosexuality, it does in no way mean that people who disagree with homosexuality on religious/moral grounds need to act like jerks to those that are gay. One can disagree with what someone does (for ANY reason, it is a free country) without despising them or acting "phobic" about it.

Not everyone who is against, say, gay marriage is adamantly opposed to the continued existence of gay people. It comes down to that old "hate the sin, not the sinner" kind of mentality. You can disapprove of what somebody does without hating the individual on some personal level. I mean, gay people have other characteristics that define them. Being gay might be a part of what makes them up, but it is not their whole identity. Besides, anyone who defines themselves solely by their gender or sexual orientation probably has bigger problems than a small minority of "phobic" individuals who dislike what he/she does.

I mean, there's perceived "racism" and then there's actual racism (as in, genuine hatred of another person based on skin color), just like there's perceived homophobia (person who doesn't agree with the gay lifestyle for whatever reason) contrasted with true homophobia (genuine hatred of another person based solely on sexual orientation.) Just as it's important not to make blanket statements about gay folks, I think it's equally important for homosexuals not to view every little disagreement they have with somebody as an example of deep-seated homophobia or hatred.

I mean, there is the little matter of how if everyone were gay, it would be virtually impossible to continue the species. Not using that argument, just throwing it out there.

Anyway, that's my two cents. Some part of me thinks this whole thing might be less of an issue if the gay community (that I've been exposed to, anyhow) weren't so confrontational and pushy with their lifestyle. In random classes I've had people I didn't know tell me they were gay. What does it matter? What do I care? Why do I need to know? Sometimes it feels like some (not all) gay people are acting like militant feminists or something, where I not only must acknowledge their shoehorned-in and completely irrelevant sexuality choice, but agree with them completely about everything. Bah. But that's just some people.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

I'm not a homophobe, so I wouldn't know.

So you decided to post here why??

That wasn't the least bit constructive.... xD

And second prize goes to you!

Seriously, get in line, that first prize is mine.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Pedophiles are sick perverts who prey onto poor innocent children who aren't old enough to know about sex.

I don't think you have any idea what a pedophile is.

Ok smart boy, enlighten the rest of us why don't you, don't go calling bullshit and then backing off without an explanation.

Seriously tell all of us, because I'm pretty sure 99% of the people on this site agree with my definition.

 

[joystickjunki3]

Ugh, to all you posters who wonder why someone has a prejudice: When will you understand that some people just hate things for no apparent reason? Also, maybe they have justified opinions in their own worlds. I just don't get why so many people expect everyone to act in a way they themselves find rational. Your reasonings don't always work for everyone because they are personal beliefs.

Did anyone think to consider that maybe you're the crazy ones? I'm not saying homosexuality is something I condemn, but please try to look at things from both perspectives.

And to that guy in the beginning of this thread who said that most homophobes are Christians: nice spelling, clearly you are a highly educated individual to be passing judgement on others as such, and homophobes extend far past those religious boundaries. My guess would be that the Middle East is the most homophobic culture in the world, and that's not a predominantly Christian area.

So you just think we should accept that people hate a certain group of people for no reason apart from the fact that the group of people are different and had been from birth.

People can't rationally hate something for no reason because it goes against being rational, thats not just my opinion, its fact.
Besides, i'd prefer not to be able to spell than to be a bigoted asshole.

My argument was not that hatred for no reason was rational, but that people who consider themselves to be rational may not actually be rational. 500 years ago it was rational to think that the Earth was flat or that the Devil's Third actually summoned the Devil. Today, both of those assertions are considered crazy. 500 hundred years from now our own rationalizations may also be considered crazy. To consider yourself tolerant while not tolerating the intolerant is hypocritical.

Right, so you're not saying im irrational, you're saying i might be irrational. Yes it was rational to think that but how can you possibly justify hating someone for their sexuality, its just as valid as hating someone for being straight, maybe i am hypocritical but my point is that hating someone for something which they cannot change is a lot more of a problem than hating someone for being a bigot.

Maybe bigotry isn't something that someone can just change. It may have to be overcome. And I'm not justifying hatred of someone based on their sexuality, I'm trying to say that hatred of anyone based on anything can be construed as irrational.

Humor me and assume for a second that homophobia is a serious disease. Diseases can't simply be changed by telling someone that they're wrong. You don't just throw a goliath birdeater at an arachnophobe.

I don't think it's right to hate gays, but I also don't find it right to think that people just automatically choose they're prejudices. Many people have a prejudice because of an actual fear or some prior experience. That's not to say that all "-phobes" are like that, though.

 

[Fronken]

Alot of people have called me a homophobe, though im really not, true, i find the thought of men having sex disgusting, but it doesnt affect me, as long as they dont try and chat me up, im fine with there being homosexuals out there.

And as for rights, they should get the same rights as everyone else, i mean they are human after all...dont see why they shouldnt have the right to live like the rest of us.

And its actually true what you say, alot of the worlds bigotry comes from the bible, and i just find that stupid, i mean sure if you believe in god, good for you, but dont judge people by what some old book says, i had one of my mates come out of the closet a couple of years back, true i was chocked, but i mean who wouldnt be?, but i accepted him just as he was and he's still my mate.

Oh and when it comes to gay people, this may be very sexist but i find 2 men together disgusting, while 2 women together is probably the most beautiful thing in the world.

Yeah, because boners are disgusting *except yours*, and tits are TITS.

"Judge and Jury, and present to you... EXHIBIT B!"

As i said earlier in my post, im not a homophobe, i accept everyone and want everyone to have the same rights, the last bit was just my personal preference when it comes to my own sexuality, and yeah, i think two men having sex is disgusting, because i myself could neither give or recieve sex from another dude, i simply dont get aroused by other men.

Try to read through the entire post next time and dont misquote one part of it out of context.

No, it's cool bro. I get it. You tolerate gay people as long as they don't chat it up with you, and you think what they do is disgusting. Except for lesbians, because they got super-hot boobies and no dicks.

Normal as could be.

What's with the sarcasm?

Seriously, do i have to find 2 men having sex beautiful to Not be a homophobe??, cause i think its about as unsexy as it can get, but just because i dont get a boner for 2 dudes f*cking each other doesnt make me a homophobe.

Oh, and btw, the whole lesbian complex...that's pretty much the most common male fantasy, so your sarcasm and snidy attempt to make me look like an immature teenager with the whole "super-hot boobies" remark isnt really working.

So would you please atleast try to stop being an arrogant douche and just accept the fact that not all of us want to have a dick up our behind.