To anyone who thinks piracy is ok

[Char-Nobyl]

I found an article, its 10 pages long, but is the most in depth look at piracy i have ever seen.
He takes a very unbiased look at it, and i plead to anyone who still pirates games to go read it.

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

Right...you realize who your audience is, right? You're either addressing:

1) People who already think piracy is bad and won't bother reading ten damned pages telling them what they already know.

2) Pirates who won't bother to read ten pages that won't convince them that free stuff isn't awesome.

 

[Quiet Stranger]

Is it still piracy if the games are really old or whatever you're pirating is really old?

 

[TheProfessor134]

People pirate simply because they can. Saying anything to defend why they do it is just an excuse. People want free things, simple as that.

Greedy game companies charge $60 for unfinished, buggy crap because they can. Saying anything to defend why they do it is just an excuse. Greedy corporations want as much money as they can get, simple as that.

I would never defend companies making the consumer pay over 60$ for games. Nor do I recall mentioning that at all in my post. Yeah a lot of companies want money, that is a no brainer. Some are willing to shell out money, some are not. People will pirate games regardless of their ability to purchase that game, that was my point. People who have the ability to get free stuff... Will get free stuff.

 

[Wow they sure are generous with the usernames]

Actually since you live in a free market society, you have every right to purchase a non restricted market object, with state regulated currency. I'd be careful with insulting people intelligence, since so far you've failed to show an adequate understanding of actual market forces & there

*Their

application to the real world. Computer games are an infinite resource (once a single game is made there is no real restriction on how many copies of the game the producers can make), as such game producers need to make there

*Their

product the best product they can, while still making it as accessable as possible (with Demo's for example), otherwise they deserve to be pirated.

This argument of games being an infinite resource is irrelevant. You're not depriving others of the chance to enjoy the game, you're depriving the creators of the game of the financial compensation they are entitled to for creating the game. Furthermore, how on earth are people in a position to determine whether or not the game is worth the amount of money they sell it for? They didn't put any time or effort into the game, and they especially didn't put any investments into the game, so how does one say "This game is not worth $60 but it is worth $32.60?

 

[Rickyvantof]

I can afford to pay for 2 games a months. I'm going to have to make sure those games aren't crap and a waste of my money. You know what's a good way to find out whether or not a game is good? That's right. *puts on eye-patch*

 

[trophykiller]

Honestly, i have pirated 3 movies. Don't get me wrong, I owned the movies(terminator 2, pirates of the Caribbean 1, and spaceballs) but the DRM on the laptop I was using wouldn't let me download them onto it for the roadtrip I was going on(there was NOT enough room in that car for the movies, and the last time we tried having DVDs in the car under similar circumstances, we ended up losing the movie then finding it broken later).

sad that DRM drove me to pirate.

also, disney is a bunch of idiots for putting movies in the "vault". that is like saying you want them to be pirated, due to the fact that they're no longer available legitimately.

 

[The_Emperor]

hey guys, I'd like to end this thread pointing to a problem called the monetary system.

basically fix that, advance technology into somekind of star trek utopia=problem solved

instead of playing pass the blame between evil type corporationy people and evil type pirates just invent the warp drive or something

have a nuclear fission montage or something already jeez.

OT: yeah that article cleared nothing up those figures arent reliable, its clearly not as simple as 200,000x £40=the total booty plundered

im sure most of those people wouldnt have bought the game anyway. the ones who would of bought the game if it wasn't available on bit torrent, who knows? im going to say 50k

why? cos my figure is about as useful as the ones in the article so fuck it why not? lies are cool, right? I'm not even lying I'm just estimating, that makes it ok I'm totally unbiased btw so now that I've said that I'm totally believable and right.

 

[TheProfessor134]

People pirate simply because they can. Saying anything to defend why they do it is just an excuse. People want free things, simple as that.

Greedy game companies charge $60 for unfinished, buggy crap because they can. Saying anything to defend why they do it is just an excuse. Greedy corporations want as much money as they can get, simple as that.

I would never defend companies making the consumer pay over 60$ for games. Nor do I recall mentioning that at all in my post. Yeah a lot of companies want money, that is a no brainer. Some are willing to shell out money, some are not. People will pirate games regardless of their ability to purchase that game, that was my point. People who have the ability to get free stuff... Will get free stuff.

Corporations want to make you pay as much as possible for a product. Everyone seems to accept that. In return though, consumers strive to get the best deal possible. Very few are tolerant of that when it comes to the game industry. In no other industry do we hear "support the XXXX" and buy new.

Now pirating aside, gamers even curse one another over buying used, saying it is the same as piracy. This just raises piracy to a higher level BTW.

There is a balance that is not being observed in the gaming community and frankly, it is anti-consumer.

Obvious statement is clearly obvious. Welcome to a world with money in it sir. And to anyone who believes buying used is considered piracy needs a logic check. There will never be a balance, unless I'm spending money on something I enjoy.

 

[Arehexes]

Let me make a nice flow chart:

You buy a game
v
The developers and everyone involved makes money
v
They take this money and use it to make more games​

Now, that would be nice and all. But this is what really happens a lot of the time.

You don't buy a game
v
The developers and everyone involved don't make money
v
They take this loss as a lesson to take less risks​

So, to anyone who pirates: I don't want to hear a single one of you complaining about DRM, or the low quality of games lately, or the neglected indie developers, or anything like that. If the industry weren't trying to fight against you, they'd be working on making better games.

I'm pretty sure most people who dev a game are paid before they release a game. Your saying they spend 5 months working and getting no pay till after they get the game released.

 

[Arehexes]

they aare dealing with it hense schemes like project 5 dollar and (poorly executed ) DRM it wouldnt exist without pirates, you have nobody but yourselves to blame for DRM tbh

DRM was around wwaaayyyy before the internet boom fest we have now. It was a fear of you sharing or selling your game to a friend. If I remember monkey island had a wheel used to decode the password to install the game.

ofc but its become much more sopphesticated (annoying to some) and requiring more stable internet nowadays.

Which I think is messed up, if I buy a PC game and my internet cuts out like it does at my house (and I tried fixing this issue) I can't play it if it requires a constant connection.

 

[the infected (teamkiers)]

As far as games are concerned, I find people are eager to get the new releases as they come out. I'm not sure why, maybe it makes them feel special? They buy new releases at ridiculous retail prices, and pirates complain they cost too much, Games like mw2 which have hardly decreased in value since they were released nearly a year ago. My suggestion: STEAM! It has lots of games at good prices. Get a sourcemod game and you can download free mods. I waited 2 years to get Fallout 3, got GOTY + DLC's for £13!

 

[Arehexes]

You could easily turn that around and tell companies to deal with piracy because "it's life"

And that's what the smart ones do.

Times are changing and those who don't change with them will become extinct. Like dinosaurs

The difference is clear. The company is well within their legal and moral rights. It's their product, they can sell it with NO advertising if they like. They can choose not to hand out review copies to published reviewers. They can choose not to have box art, demos, or anything. And they can charge what they like.

Your choices as a consumer are a) buy or b) don't buy. If you buy and then regret it, neither party has stepped outside the legal or moral right. Any unfortunate side effects (called "buyers' remorse") are just part of the learning process. You can make different choices in the future, or petition the company to offer more information in the future. Or just wait longer and ask people who are playing the game.

There are a multitude of sources of information available to prevent most cases of "This isn't what I thought it was." It's just that greed and impatience motivate folks to skip those, and then the same greed and impatience motivate them to blame their own impulsive mistakes on others.

If you pirate it, you ARE stepping outside your rights. It's not your program to take, to copy, or to distribute. It's someone else's. That is the clear difference when it comes to trying to tell the developer's "That's just life." No, it's feeble-minded justification from selfish brats who feel entitled to forcibly take things that are not theirs.

Options are no longer limited to "buy" and "don't buy". There's a third option "pirate it". From a moral or legal point of view that may be "wrong" but an option is an option and people will use it regardless of legal and moral issues. Companies will have to deal with it. Doesn't matter if they like it or not. That's just how reality is.

they aare dealing with it hense schemes like project 5 dollar and (poorly executed ) DRM it wouldnt exist without pirates, you have nobody but yourselves to blame for DRM tbh

DRM was around wwaaayyyy before the internet boom fest we have now. It was a fear of you sharing or selling your game to a friend. If I remember monkey island had a wheel used to decode the password to install the game.

If you get the developers ending on Chrono Trigger someone makes a reference to "buy your games, don't rent or borrow them". That game was put out in 1995, the internet was nothing then like it is now but they weren't talking about downloads. They were talking about sharing your cart with a friend or renting. The DRM was built into the carts and the console then so..yeah...DRM has been around a while.

earthbound did the same thing, although if you pirate it you end up fighting a crap ton of monsters in the last room of the last dungeon and the game crashes.