It's funny how everyone here that condones piracy is all like, "I'm a rebel, fight the power".
Just be honest and admit it's because it's free swag.
Just be honest and admit it's because it's free swag.
To anyone who thinks piracy is ok
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No, you're supposed to feel guilty that an artist's work is being stolen. Not all victims of piracy are multi-millionaires, often many indie games are victims as well. These are people who have poured hours of their lives into a project and deserve reward if you play their work. Your sense of entitlement makes me want to throw up on my shoes...saruman31 said:
You should when they can't move on and make better games when you don't give them the funding and support they need. They can't make a game perfect if people like you are too greedy to help them. A successful corporation can't succeed without a fanbase supporting them. Pirates aren't fans. They're parasites.YukoValis said:So they aren't getting my money unless they make a quality game. Just because they spend a fortune on garbage doesn't mean I have to feel sorry for them.Chainsaws_of_War_2 said:
Every artist and developer needs funding, that's how they move forward, if they don't make money, we don't get quality games. In short, you're the reason why these games aren't as good as they could be. Publishers see a very small portion of that 60 dollars, a little more then 1/3rd. Games now a days are common to cost in the multimillion dollars, if Publishers only make 20 bucks per copy sold, they need to sell several thousand in order to make it up. They can't do that when Pirates come in and copy the game themselves. If you don't want to pay for the game, then don't buy it. It's not rocket science, it's how a business works.
Try finding a demo of Fallout 3, Saint's Row, Dragon Age: Origins, Starcraft 2, Civilzation 5, or practically any other game.SirBryghtside said:
If it takes working outside the law to just try a fucking game, so be it.
If all your seeing is "I'm a rebel, fight the power", you obviously aren't reading enough of the posts. I pirate games, but I always buy them after if they play well.Casual Shinji said:
Honestly, I kind of pity the people that are unable (or unwilling) to see the shades of gray in this issue.
Ahh. The "Scorched Earth" mentality.DominicxD said:
You do realize that by pirating that game, you are in fact, suggesting to that company that you have a demand for their good, irregardless of what you think of their price, right?
Therefore, based on this information, they will continue to make these shitty, half-assed games because you are still playing them.
"How do they know I want their games?"
They don't know you specifically, but even the most cursory search will bring up THOUSANDS (and likely more) hits on people that did pirate their game.
So, the natural course of logic here suggests that they will assume there is nothing wrong with their product, but their customers.
You are a small part of a large statistic now, and no amount of rationalization or denial can change that.
You are in fact, solving nothing by pirating their game.
The worst thing that can happen to a game isn't lukewarm sales, but a complete rejection.
If you really need proof of this in action, check out the very first Video Game Market crash back in the 80s. Look for E.T. on the 2600.
Kids and parents flat out rejected that game at a price of ZERO DOLLARS.
Put that rejection to use; trust me, at least one of those developers/publishers will take notice and try something different.
If you truly think their games aren't worth playing, don't give them any attention, not even piracy.
I've only ever Torrented 1 thing... It was a game I purchased at an Anime convention. The game was broken on release (literally, you can't finish the game with the copy given to you on the CD-Rom), so I found a site that had the corrected version (original game company had gone out of business) and the original art, which was a bit more adult than the American release art. I patched the copy, and now I can play it... finally.
The game is/was Anima Mundiark Alchemist by Hirameki. But I don't consider that Pirating, because I bought the copy I own. I just had to correct what was wrong with it.
The game is/was Anima Mundi
ark Alchemist by Hirameki. But I don't consider that Pirating, because I bought the copy I own. I just had to correct what was wrong with it.
I'd say your reaction makes you more of a scum bag than any pirate, if you indeed wish for this to happen to him/her.chemicalreaper said:Good. I've reported your post and, with any luck, a moderator will report you to your ISP so that they can cut off your internet connection. Also, be aware that, legally, your Internet Service Provider can then report your IP to the government (and to the companies you've pirated from).DominicxD said:
I hope that you have a few Cease & Desist letters (and possibly even a few lawsuits) headed your way, ya pirate scum
But that's just me.
Yes it's ok for them to ship broken and terrible products and steal my money, but im not allowed to do anything back? screw that. I've wasted so much money on shitty PC games i dont give a fuck if some faceless millionaire studio cant afford to make their next shit-tastic DLC.bob1052 said:
Metro 2033, unplayable for the first 2 months
Empire Total war
Alpha Protocol
Gothic 4
Then assholes behind Kane and Lynch "Oh I know, lets charge 50 dollars for 4 hours of mediocre gameplay"
I know some suckers who will keep throwing money at it, but I ain't one of them.
There is a difference between cost of production and cost of distribution. Information is special in the way that it has a one-time cost of production and a close-to nothing cost of distribution.Danzaivar said:Red bar has the words "free information".Kair said:It only covers 'piracy' in a market economy. I have drawn a little illustration to help you realize the error of limiting infinite resources for profit.
Green bar has the words "costs of producing".
If it has a cost, it isn't free!
If you read some of "Das Kapital" by Karl Marx he carefully explains the value of commodities and what commodities are, which is relevant here.
The green block reads "Cost of production across all hypothetical worlds", herein the wages of the developers.SICK0_ZER0 said:I can just about make out the words 'Customers', 'Pirates' and 'everyone'. 'People who will benefit from software in a world without Piracy' is legible too. Some words are literally too difficult to make out, the compression ain't helping the size 2 font either.Kair said:How ignorant of you to completely misunderstand what I so carefully tried to prevent you from misunderstanding by adding the green block.SICK0_ZER0 said:'Free Information'? I hope you don't mean every game/program/script should be free.Kair said:It only covers 'piracy' in a market economy. I have drawn a little illustration to help you realize the error of limiting infinite resources for profit.
Would you spend hundreds of hours learning C then C++/Java or what have you, then working full time to develop an application only to give it out for (to quote Ned Flanders) NOTHING AT ALL! NOTHING AT ALL! ?
You say everyone would benefit, not the designers and developers who would be living in cardboard boxes. And consider the lack of competition that would all of a sudden exist, there would be no motivation to make a better program than your rivals.
The green one is implying software is cheap to design and develop, yeah? If it is, then it's incorrect. Software Engineering is currently the most in demand job in this Country, as in, more than Doctors. Developing any kind of software is a time consuming and costly endeavour to a business, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_Development_Life_Cycle.
If everything was free to everyone we'd all be living in squalor and no one would have the drive to work hard and make something of themselves. But again, I can barely make out what your diagram is saying, Literally cannot make it out.
No. You, as well as many others in this thread, should have read the article before commenting (or at least a paragraph of it). This is not at all what the article is about, it's about the changing landscape of pc games and their business models because of piracy. It doesn't try to appeal to your emotions by saying the publishers and devs have it tough and won't be able to continue on longer. It appeals to logic. It doesn't once ask you to change (it even acknowledges that you probably won't), it simply tells you what is happening because of piracy. A shift to consoles, online drm, episodic content, subscription models. Thus turning the pc market into a landscape for mmo's and facebook games.saruman31 said:
And might i ask, why are you even here? You obviously have no respect for game developers or their products, so why do you insist on spending your time with them. If you find little to no joy with games, perhaps you should find a new hobby. It just seems to be the logical thing to do. I would ask why you bother complaining a futile point, but i guess a troll must troll. Or else how would they find purpose in their life.
PS: i think there should be a required intellectual level to use hyperboles. The amount of misuse they receive is hideous.
How about this?
I buy a retail game in, say, 2000 for example. I play the game a fair bit, then lose the CD/DVD that it requires to play. I pirate a no-CD/DVD version of the game in about 2002 or so, and continue playing from there.
Tell me what's wrong with that, won't you?
I buy a retail game in, say, 2000 for example. I play the game a fair bit, then lose the CD/DVD that it requires to play. I pirate a no-CD/DVD version of the game in about 2002 or so, and continue playing from there.
Tell me what's wrong with that, won't you?
Why are you spending money on the games that are crappy then? Why not wait a week after the launch and read reviews? Watch gameplay videos, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE BUYING! Ever heard of the phrase "Consumer beware?" it's your money, so use it on the quality games you're interested in. Don't dive head first into a game on launch day, that's the fastest way to lose out.Mcface said:
Don't blame developers for your carelessness with money, those mutlimillion dollar publishers don't even see most of the $60 dollars they charge.
I also find it ironic that the article specifically cites all of these petty excuses for piracy, which are not supported, and they are all being used in this thread. I'm not saying I'm perfect... but come on people don't lie to yourselves. You pirate cause you're able to. I do as well. It's not rebellious, it's fiendish.
Have any of you thought about the old games you can't buy anymore or find?
DO you know the only way to get them without spending ludicrous amounts of money?(EBAY,AMAZON, and so on forth)
Pirating and it doesn't cost the creators a sale since the money already has gone to them and there are no longer physical copies of it they are selling.
DO you know the only way to get them without spending ludicrous amounts of money?(EBAY,AMAZON, and so on forth)
Pirating and it doesn't cost the creators a sale since the money already has gone to them and there are no longer physical copies of it they are selling.