To everyone who thinks TF2 is ruined forever...

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Flying-Emu

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Ultratwinkie said:
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TF2 was ruined forever when they made the first class-specific update. The balance was gone, and you had to grind.
The pay system just takes out a lot of the grind for those who are too busy to bother with that shit.
So histories greatest shooter were even better before I bought it?

I have been decieved!!
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Nobody was talking aboot Goldeneye or the Metroid Prime series, we're talking aboot that so-so Valve shooter.
Each class update made the balance a little worse, and made the game a little grindier.
metroid? good? don't make me LAUGH. metroid was just some backwater nintendo IP that they rape when they run out of zelda games to push.
There is so much wrong with this statement that I fear my head may... wait... noooo not again!
 

Outright Villainy

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No, it's not ruined forever. It is kinda annoying how hard those hats are to get. The bonuses should apply to just the weapons together, or better yet, not at all. It's adding an unnessecary layer that's hard to read.

If you see a sniper with the rifle, shield and hat, you'd assume he can't be headshotted. He might not have his melee though, and you're not going to see it to make that decision. Similar problems exist with the other sets, they're too hard to read.

If they were going with bonuses, I'd have 'em like this:

Equip the Powerjack, get the speed boost and damage taken increased.
Equipping the Degreaser over the flamethrower has no real disadvantage. Not that that's a bad thing, it's exactly the kind of skill based buff the Pyro needs. The whole disadvantage of the set bonus is giving up your insta kill axe. Giving the bonus just to the power jack would remove the complications there.

Remove the scout's bonus completely.
It's unnessecary. Everything is balanced as is with the new kit.
They need a more interesting bonus, and one that has a downside at that.

Have the soldier's sentry resistance tied to the Black box.
It's the lack of rockets that hurts when dealing with sentries, not your shotgun. It's easy to see when he has his secondary equipped though, so I don't mind this one.

Have the spy's bonus tied to the set without the hat.
readability doesn't apply to the spy; misdirection is more or less how you use him effectively, so having it being a full set is okay in this case, sans hat of course.

Remove the sniper's bonus, and his weapons.
They're absoluely terrible. Except the knife. That one's okay.
The can't headshot/can't be headshotted thing is incredibly stupid. The absolute worst idea I've seen for the sniper in fact. I expected a lot better than that. Hell, anything would have been better than that.

The shield is like the razorback, only worse.
 

binvjoh

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Glad to see someone who's not whining about the update.

TF2 is still awesome, like it always has been.

If I have any big complaints it'd be the scout weapons. I friggin' despise "The Shortstop".
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
what? its true. nintendo rapes different series periodically because they cant make their own damn IPs.
No. It's not true. "Rapes different series?" How, exactly? Metroid is their product, Zelda is their product, and if I may link [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.127546-Nintendos-Unsung-IPs-A-Treatise-On-the-Idiocy-of-A-Particular-Critique#2712243] you to an article I wrote, you'll see that Nintendo DOES make their own 'damn IPs.'

Metroid is awesome, Zelda is awesome, and I find your lack of faith disturbing. And lack of argument; you simply make a statement and don't back it up? Come now, let's talk this out.
 

Kwaren

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Never played it, never plan to. I will stick to ARMA 2 for my PC shooter fun.
 

Exort

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How long do you need to grind for that stupid hat you want? Specially set bonus need the hat. You are buying power.
 

Flying-Emu

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Ultratwinkie said:
metroid is not awesome neither is zelda. period. the only good thing to come out of nintendo were mario, and donkey kong. nothing else. the rest is nothing but shovelware, cash cow milking, and games that rarely leave japan.
Metacritic [http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/metroid-prime-trilogy] politely [http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess] disagrees [http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/the-legend-of-zelda-spirit-tracks].

Once again you give no evidence to support your claim. Your 'opinion' doesn't count as evidence, so don't try that; give me hard, reasonable evidence to support your claim that Nintendo doesn't make good games besides Mario and Donkey Kong.

I give you evidence, I expect evidence in return. How is Mario 'cash cow milking?' They continue to be one of the best platforming series in gaming. Shovelware, well, the only 'shovelware' actually developed by Nintendo are the Wii Sports/Wii Play series of games.

And 90% of Nintendo-programmed games make their way stateside, what kind of crack are you smoking?
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Flying-Emu said:
Ultratwinkie said:
metroid is not awesome neither is zelda. period. the only good thing to come out of nintendo were mario, and donkey kong. nothing else. the rest is nothing but shovelware, cash cow milking, and games that rarely leave japan.
Metacritic [http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/metroid-prime-trilogy] politely [http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess] disagrees [http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/the-legend-of-zelda-spirit-tracks].

Once again you give no evidence to support your claim. Your 'opinion' doesn't count as evidence, so don't try that; give me hard, reasonable evidence to support your claim that Nintendo doesn't make good games besides Mario and Donkey Kong.

I give you evidence, I expect evidence in return. How is Mario 'cash cow milking?' They continue to be one of the best platforming series in gaming. Shovelware, well, the only 'shovelware' actually developed by Nintendo are the Wii Sports/Wii Play series of games.

And 90% of Nintendo-programmed games make their way stateside, what kind of crack are you smoking?
the crack called "its my opinion". for a "smart debatable guy" you are sure slow to pick up on that. should i give your helmet and the ticket to the short bus? oh wait i forgot to give you your floaties so you don't drown in the pool, does that sound like fuuuun?

mario has been milked straight to hell, and donkey kong had a long vacation before it resurfaced again.
First off, kindly don't insult me. I'm not insulting you, so let's keep it civil, yeah?

You can't say "it's my opinion" and then just end it at that. Support your argument. All you've done so far is make blanket statements, without any evidence, and insult me. And if your argument is seriously based on 'your opinion,' then explain it. I have my opinion, and I have evidence for WHY it is my opinion. So show me precisely what leads you to believe what you believe.
 

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lol Valve fanboys are so annoying.. "OPINIONS ARE WRONG."
A game bought with money, with a cash shop to help get ahead or get things earlier. If Halo or MW2 did that you guys would be all over it. But it's TF2 and nothing can ever be bad about that!
 

Flying-Emu

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Ultratwinkie said:
Flying-Emu said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Flying-Emu said:
Ultratwinkie said:
metroid is not awesome neither is zelda. period. the only good thing to come out of nintendo were mario, and donkey kong. nothing else. the rest is nothing but shovelware, cash cow milking, and games that rarely leave japan.
Metacritic [http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/metroid-prime-trilogy] politely [http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess] disagrees [http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/the-legend-of-zelda-spirit-tracks].

Once again you give no evidence to support your claim. Your 'opinion' doesn't count as evidence, so don't try that; give me hard, reasonable evidence to support your claim that Nintendo doesn't make good games besides Mario and Donkey Kong.

I give you evidence, I expect evidence in return. How is Mario 'cash cow milking?' They continue to be one of the best platforming series in gaming. Shovelware, well, the only 'shovelware' actually developed by Nintendo are the Wii Sports/Wii Play series of games.

And 90% of Nintendo-programmed games make their way stateside, what kind of crack are you smoking?
the crack called "its my opinion". for a "smart debatable guy" you are sure slow to pick up on that. should i give your helmet and the ticket to the short bus? oh wait i forgot to give you your floaties so you don't drown in the pool, does that sound like fuuuun?

mario has been milked straight to hell, and donkey kong had a long vacation before it resurfaced again.
First off, kindly don't insult me. I'm not insulting you, so let's keep it civil, yeah?

You can't say "it's my opinion" and then just end it at that. Support your argument. All you've done so far is make blanket statements, without any evidence, and insult me. And if your argument is seriously based on 'your opinion,' then explain it. I have my opinion, and I have evidence for WHY it is my opinion. So show me precisely what leads you to believe what you believe.
games over 70% at metacritic.
nintendo 64: 67 (out of 89).
Gamecube: 263 (out of 502).
Wii: 242 (out of 649).

notice a pattern? notice it? nintendo used to be good, but now they are circling the shit pipe. they are relying on old series to keep themselves afloat, and the series they have are slowly dying. mario is being milked in every way imaginable, sonic is a laughing stock, smaus is turning into sonic due to other M, and donkey kong is MIA.
If you seriously think that Nintendo developed all 649 of those titles, then I have nothing more to say to you. We're talking about Nintendo-DEVELOPED titles, not Nintendo PUBLISHED titles.

Sonic has absolutely nothing to do with Nintendo by the way.
 

Flames66

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I hadn't noticed any ruining. Just seems to me like if you really want that hat soooo much you can go and buy it, if not just see if it drops. Keeps both players and Valve happy.

I like the sleeper at long range (the distance on the last defence on Gold rush or longer), but otherwise prefer the huntsman.