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pigeon_of_doom

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scotth266 said:
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Thirded up. Hopefully this means that our ever-loving mods have decided to experiment with the idea a little, and see how it turns out.
It doesn't necessarily mean that. As the offending material had to be deleted from that post, a note would have been necessary otherwise it looks like pimpeter was banned for quite an innocuous post. I hope they try implementing that idea more often, but that scenario doesn't prove anything. Unless he never actually posted porn and was perma-banned for some unknown reason...
 

JC175

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Knight Templar said:
Shapsters said:
Knight Templar said:
Shapsters said:
See up there, at pimppeter. A little note like that is perfect and fully effective! I was wondering to myself what injustice it was that he was banned them BAM! he posted pornography! Thanks Mods!
You've got to wonder why he did such a thing. The mods are listening to us, therefore they must be watching this thread like hawks.
Well Christ, why was he posting porn no matter where he was? Honestly, he couldn't have been expecting anything else.
That's my point, he must have expected to be banned for quite some time if not forever.
As far as I know he was banned for making a joke that included the url of a shock site struckout. I doubt he would have posted direct links to porn or embedded images to a thread.
 

wilsonscrazybed

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Meh, even though I've been moderated like, once, I think, and it was just probation, it's the moderation that has made me come to the forums less and less often.

Too bad all the people who get banned/suspended are the ones who usually entertain me with their posts.
I need to clarify something here, we have a new moderation feature that allows us to send you a "warning." This warning acts as a note in your user history. If you get a forum warning it's officially a "Hey, don't do this anymore." message and nothing more. Warnings will not show up outside of your user history, and they will not affect your badges either.
 
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Catchphrase said:
wilsonscrazybed said:
Catchphrase said:
Meh, even though I've been moderated like, once, I think, and it was just probation, it's the moderation that has made me come to the forums less and less often.
I need to clarify something here, we have a new moderation feature that allows us to send you a "warning." This warning acts as a note in your user history. If you get a forum warning it's officially a "Hey, don't do this anymore." message and nothing more. Warnings will not show up outside of your user history, and they will not affect your badges either.
Uhh, what the hell?

Stop putting words in my mouth.

Also, I've not been given any warnings, I was suspended for 3 days for reasons that will remain undisclosed, but I thought to be completely valid.

Again, what the hell? Why are you editing my post to something completely besides the point, and something completely uncorrect, no less?
Calm down, Catchphrase. It´s probably just a misquotation, since it was PersianLlama who said:
PersianLlama said:
Meh, even though I've been moderated like, once, I think, and it was just probation, it's the moderation that has made me come to the forums less and less often.

Too bad all the people who get banned/suspended are the ones who usually entertain me with their posts.
 
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Catchphrase said:
Incredible Bullshitting Man said:
Catchphrase said:
wilsonscrazybed said:
Catchphrase said:
Meh, even though I've been moderated like, once, I think, and it was just probation, it's the moderation that has made me come to the forums less and less often.
I need to clarify something here, we have a new moderation feature that allows us to send you a "warning." This warning acts as a note in your user history. If you get a forum warning it's officially a "Hey, don't do this anymore." message and nothing more. Warnings will not show up outside of your user history, and they will not affect your badges either.
Uhh, what the hell?

Stop putting words in my mouth.

Also, I've not been given any warnings, I was suspended for 3 days for reasons that will remain undisclosed, but I thought to be completely valid.

Again, what the hell? Why are you editing my post to something completely besides the point, and something completely uncorrect, no less?
Calm down, Catchphrase. It´s probably just a misquotation, since it was PersianLlama who said:
PersianLlama said:
Meh, even though I've been moderated like, once, I think, and it was just probation, it's the moderation that has made me come to the forums less and less often.

Too bad all the people who get banned/suspended are the ones who usually entertain me with their posts.

That's obviously the case, yes. But in his post, my name actually linked to my own post, not PersianLlamas, meaning that he quoted my post, and then somehow managed to copy/paste PersianLlamas post into my quotation.

How should I know it was a misquotation? How the hell didn't he notice himself?

No need for telling me to calm down, I am completely calm, I was only baffled at the weirdness of a Red Guard putting words in my mouth.
I can understand your bafflement, but mistakes happen. Now that the mistake is noticed, lets just wait for it to be corrected.
 

Rolling Thunder

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Fascinating. A thread dedicated to mods explaining why people were purged from the system. Capital idea.

So, how many of the veterans got banhammered? Necro, Mobius, Cheeze and?
 

Simalacrum

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blimey, this thread is still alive? well I have a question to ask anyways, it might have been answered but...

if a mod is theoretically found to be breaking the rules, is it possible for them to receive the banhammer as well? (theoretically speaking of course, I'm not suggesting that its happened before) In essence, is there anyone who watches the Watchmen?
 

Fire Daemon

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Simalacrum said:
blimey, this thread is still alive? well I have a question to ask anyways, it might have been answered but...

if a mod is theoretically found to be breaking the rules, is it possible for them to receive the banhammer as well? (theoretically speaking of course, I'm not suggesting that its happened before) In essence, is there anyone who watches the Watchmen?
I would imagine that the guys and gals who work behind the scenes and keep this website running could, literally, delete them from this website. I think I remember having a conversation about it on the IRC channel. If a mod was breaking the rules and had to be removed it certainly would shake up the community quite a deal.
 

Sparrow

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Ho-hum, hope this don't count as thread derailment, but I have question related to bannings. Why do some people get probated or suspended for maybe laughing at a bad joke? Maybe that's not specific enough, so I'll effectively post what happened to me and around 10 other people:

On a feminist thread, somebody posted something telling the poster to "get back in the kitchen", or something along those lines. Alot of people said it was funny, including me, but we said it most likely wasn't the smartest thing to do. We pretty much all got probated, but the point is this: Why? I'm not saying we didn't do anything wrong, I just never really got a thorough explanation.

(Also, this is posted here so everyone can see it if a moderator does respond. This has happened to a good forty or so people)
 

Legion

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Sparrow Tag said:
On a feminist thread, somebody posted something telling the poster to "get back in the kitchen", or something along those lines. Alot of people said it was funny, including me, but we said it most likely wasn't the smartest thing to do. We pretty much all got probated, but the point is this: Why? I'm not saying we didn't do anything wrong, I just never really got a thorough explanation.
I imagine because quoting and responding to the comment (whether it is funny or not) is seen as encouraging that kind of remark, especially if you say it is funny.
 

Sparrow

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Machines Are Us said:
Sparrow Tag said:
On a feminist thread, somebody posted something telling the poster to "get back in the kitchen", or something along those lines. Alot of people said it was funny, including me, but we said it most likely wasn't the smartest thing to do. We pretty much all got probated, but the point is this: Why? I'm not saying we didn't do anything wrong, I just never really got a thorough explanation.
I imagine because quoting and responding to the comment (whether it is funny or not) is seen as encouraging that kind of remark, especially if you say it is funny.
Pretty much all Nil said when I asked him, but a little more vague.

I don't blame him for not replying back, I was being a little bit aggy.
 

Susan Arendt

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Fire Daemon said:
Simalacrum said:
blimey, this thread is still alive? well I have a question to ask anyways, it might have been answered but...

if a mod is theoretically found to be breaking the rules, is it possible for them to receive the banhammer as well? (theoretically speaking of course, I'm not suggesting that its happened before) In essence, is there anyone who watches the Watchmen?
I would imagine that the guys and gals who work behind the scenes and keep this website running could, literally, delete them from this website. I think I remember having a conversation about it on the IRC channel. If a mod was breaking the rules and had to be removed it certainly would shake up the community quite a deal.
If a mod broke the rules, first we'd naturally talk to them, get their side of the story, and try to figure out exactly what happened and why. If they did it to the extent that they needed to be banned, then guess what? They'd be banned. Their permissions would be revoked and they'd be shown the door, just like anyone else. But the reason they've been chosen as mods is because we don't think such a thing is going to happen. They've earned our trust.
 
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Fondant said:
Fascinating. A thread dedicated to mods explaining why people were purged from the system. Capital idea.

So, how many of the veterans got banhammered? Necro, Mobius, Cheeze and?
I think you'll find that Cheeze is still pretty much with us at this point.
 

Aedrial

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Susan Arendt said:
Fire Daemon said:
Simalacrum said:
blimey, this thread is still alive? well I have a question to ask anyways, it might have been answered but...

if a mod is theoretically found to be breaking the rules, is it possible for them to receive the banhammer as well? (theoretically speaking of course, I'm not suggesting that its happened before) In essence, is there anyone who watches the Watchmen?
I would imagine that the guys and gals who work behind the scenes and keep this website running could, literally, delete them from this website. I think I remember having a conversation about it on the IRC channel. If a mod was breaking the rules and had to be removed it certainly would shake up the community quite a deal.
If a mod broke the rules, first we'd naturally talk to them, get their side of the story, and try to figure out exactly what happened and why. If they did it to the extent that they needed to be banned, then guess what? They'd be banned. Their permissions would be revoked and they'd be shown the door, just like anyone else. But the reason they've been chosen as mods is because we don't think such a thing is going to happen. They've earned our trust.
Very well put, they can't do any better than this.
I think we should just let the matter drop and let everyone get on with their business.
 

CheeseSandwichCake

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Multi-Kill said:
Why would it give them the atttention they desire in the first place?
If you give them attention, they win. That's how trolling works, mostly.

Pissing everyone off so they'll look at you for a few minutes.

Argue with them, you lose.
Respond to them, you lose.
Agree with them, you DEFINITELY lose.
Ignore it and move on, you win.

edit: Although I will admit to responding to such posts to beef up my post count.
 

Archaeology Hat

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This thread raises alot of issues for me. I am a person with what could be seen as a fairly short temper (I don't actually mean to come across like that most of the time, not actually being angry, it's more a mixture of understatement and bluntness) and a fairly dark sense of humour. While I have never to my knowledge had any action taken against me by mods, I do often get the feeling when I read other peoples posts that if I posted a bit more, (massive lurker tendancies) I probably would.

When I read threads and check out why people have been banned/probated, I do often think "What the hell, isn't this a bit heavy handed?". I can't really bring out any specific cases that have not already been discussed, because well, I don't actually care all that much about any induvidual one. But I do have a feeling, which could be simple paranoia, that since I joined this community the mods have become more and more heavy-handed and in some ways, more petty.

Now, I agree that to a great extent it's important to "police" a forum fairly effectively, some people are just annoying (see the first 5-10 posts of any Zero-punctuation thread), sometimes people are just plain offensive and a few, rare induviduals combine the worst aspects of both. But it's possible to weed out these induviduals without coming across as unfair. Something Awful does it just fine and if anything they're more heavy-handed with their moderation.

Some of this perception of unfairness is possibly to do with the fact that on some "ban" posts moderators don't really explain why they're handing out the punitive measures that they are. Yes, they do sometimes, occasionally, and most of the time they don't need to because it's fairly obvious, but relatively often (at a rough and ready figure I'd say about once a month, but I'm not really around enough to say this with great confidence, it could actually be considerably more) there is no clue as to what the infraction involved actually is.

This was the case with Necroswanson. I still have no clue as to what he actually did wrong with that post. He called a few people hypocrites? Some people are, they might not like being called it but hey. Coupled with this I've been called worse on this forum. Alot worse and no action was taken then, not even a probation.

Basically, mods shouldn't just "ban and go". A reason should be made public on every single infraction's post. Even if it's just one word, like "Spamming". Of course, the more complicated the infraction and the harsher the penalty the longer it should be. This would go a long way to get rid of any unfairness, real or percieved.

EDIT: Oh and, it is indeed true that the perception of unfairness in the mods is one of the factors that has slowly pushed me away from this community. Not the only factor, but it's one of them.