To the people saying that Live could be breached like Sony.

[RanD00M]

All of PSN

2500 users are not of all the PSN user base.

 

[Googooguru]

I disagree completely re: 1999 China hacks Pentagon , 2006 British Hacker hacks Pentagon and NASA , 2007 China Again Hacks the Pentagon... 2008 World bank hacked, 2011 bank of America hacked... it goes on and on.. identity theft and hacking happens all the time

And if you think the Xbox live has better security than the Pentagon and the World bank you sir are a special needs case

.. No Network is 100% secure so what we should learn from the PS debacle is safe guard your personal info and do not store your damn credit info on external servers..

 

[pulse2]

Microsoft could get hacked, the only difference is that it would be a little harder and the hackers currently have no incentive to hack Live or Microsoft for that matter, a single haceker can't do very much within a short space of time, that hacker would need the help of others willing to hack for the same cause, Sony pissed hackers as a collective off, alas, hackers worked together to crush Sony.

If Microsoft did the same + was a little lazy with their security, they too would find that hackers break through. Fortunatly Microsoft isn't in this situation, and lets be thankful for that rather than comparing, because should it ever happen, the same people saying it could never happen (like PS3 owners said the PS3 couldn't be hacked after the Xbox and Wii were so easily hacked) will be forced to sit down and shut up, looking foolish in the process.

 

[SlasherX]

I disagree completely re: 1999 China hacks Pentagon , 2006 British Hacker hacks Pentagon and NASA , 2007 China Again Hacks the Pentagon... 2008 World bank hacked, 2011 bank of America hacked... it goes on and on.. identity theft and hacking happens all the time

And if you think the Xbox live has better security than the Pentagon and the World bank you sir are a special needs case

.. No Network is 100% secure so what we should learn from the PS debacle is safe guard your personal info and do not store your damn credit info on external servers..

Read my Edit.

 

[Zantos]

Anything can be hacked.

Yes, Sony were idiots, but even if they had protected themselves, they could have been hacked.

Probably not as easily and fast, but they could still have been hacked.

There is no such thing as a foolproof system.

Actually a lot of computer and electronics companies including Microsoft have started contributing to quantum encryption research. The only feasible way to get any data out of that is to be in the same room as the sender or receiver. Upgrade to that and any conventional hacking method is useless.

 

[Pocotron]

Holy crap, this guy is the worst troll on this site. He can't read, he can't make a good defense, and everything he says is hypocritical. I'm a new guy, but if I were able to, I would delete this thread because of this troll. This isn't even good discussion material, the way he's butchered it.

 

[-Samurai-]

Anything can be hacked.

Yes, Sony were idiots, but even if they had protected themselves, they could have been hacked.

Probably not as easily and fast, but they could still have been hacked.

There is no such thing as a foolproof system.

Actually a lot of computer and electronics companies including Microsoft have started contributing to quantum encryption research. The only feasible way to get any data out of that is to be in the same room as the sender or receiver. Upgrade to that and any conventional hacking method is useless.

That, and I recall seeing something about using light. It has something to do with sending data through light, and if anyone but the intended recipient views the data, it is destroyed.

Technology is a crazy thing.

 

[Irishhoodlum]

Is it just me, or does this guy seem like he's trying way too hard to rationalize a trivial point that's rarely brought up? You sound a bit insecure with your platform bro.

 

[funguy2121]

Though, that advertising about the annoyance of Vista constantly asking to confirm things is false.

Yes it does ask for some things but it has never asked me for everything. From experience I would say that Mac's OS is worse.

A couple years ago I had the unfortunate chore of helping my friend's sister install software onto her new Mac laptop. She bought it new, but for some stupid reason it didn't come with the word-processing software preloaded on the thing, it just came with it on a disc. She wanted help because she wasn't well versed in how to do even the simplest of things like install software. The reason my friend didn't help her was that he said, "With how messed up Macs are, I'm liable to throw it out the window with how bad they are."

After my experience, I would agree. I put in the disc for the word-processing software, and it to three confirmations before it even started to install it(Do you want to install this software? Are you sure you want to install this software? It is installing this software, do you want to let it continue?). It might not have been those exact words but that was what it was doing. It did that for all the stuff we put on it that day. I would add that that machine was constructed stupidly too. When one constructs/designs a laptop, the ejection button should for the disc drive should be place right next to where the disc comes out. It wasn't labeled either. I sat their pressing buttons to find out which one did it, and of course the last one I chose did it, because I wasn't expecting it to be all the way on the opposite side away from where the disc comes out.

It also asked an are you sure question when we tried to open the word-processing program to see if it worked. So that makes 4 times it asked for confirmation. And as I said, it did that for all the programs we installed, 4 times.

With my Vista, it asks once for install and around only half the time for opening programs.

So yeah, that Mac advertising is false.

After all that, I told my friend's sister that she should go to a more upstanding college. The only reason she had to get a Mac was because the whole campus was stupidly going entirely to an all Mac campus, so if she wanted to do any work not on her computer, she would be using a Mac, and would have to have a Mac if she wanted to easily transfer documents with and problems or hassle.

From now on, if somebody asks me to work on or help them out with a Mac, I will decline and tell them to do themselves a favor and take it back to the store, and not to bring it to me, because I will throw it out a window. They are just an expensive paper weight, that one that my friend's sister had, didn't last more than a year before it totally broke down and had to spend almost as much money to fix it as it would cost to just a buy a new and durable PC laptop. Macs are shit.

All of that is circumstantial. Some people find Macs more user friendly, others PC. But, as I stated earlier, I don't know a single Mac owner who has had issues with malware, whereas nearly every PC owner I knew during the Vista period had numerous issues, with several computers shutting down for good. The videos were made to point out the flaws in the OP's logic that Microsoft's XBL is un-sinkable. Both Vista and Internet Explorer prove that Microsoft is far from perfect, especially regarding online security. I'm anticipating a techie swooping in to tell me that all of my friends and I are idiots because we're not virus geniuses, but my stories are far more universal than circumstantial.

The confirm/deny prompts referred to in the commercial were intentionally exaggerate, as that is how comedy usually works. They were also referring to online security. The examples you gave only involved installing software, which isn't something non-techies (about 90% of computer owners) do every day. Frankly, I'm glad they give you an opportunity to bail while installing.

Simply because you do not have a lot of experience with Macs, you assume that they are shit because you had difficulty working with them, apparently on one occasion. That is not cause for calling a product shit. Just as has already been pointed out numerous times on this thread regarding Sony and Microsoft, both macs and PCs have there fanboys as well as their detractors. I believe there's a simple solution to elevating this debate out of that fruitless muck: the next time your friend's sister has an issue with her Mac, have her call or visit the local Mac store. Now try to get a similar experience out of Microsoft or any of the PC manufacturers.

 

[funguy2121]

The vast difference between Sony's resources and Microsoft's is one reason. There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft. Microsoft, you know one of the largest corporations on Earth owned by the second richest man in the world that you would have to be brain dead to take on or try to hack.

Sony is worth 20 billion dollars more than Microsoft. Sony is currently less profitable however.

Let me stop you right there there.

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:SNE Sony: 28.19 billion

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:MSFT Microsoft: 218.16 billion

Wow, stocks, those are complicated right?

I followed your links, disregarding that the NYSE does not = the NASDAQ, and noticed three things right off the bat: they only cover the past 3 days (which include the weekend), 218.16 billion was not mentioned anywhere in either link, and Sony's stocks are worth roughly $3 more than Microsoft stocks. Am I missing something, or did you rush your homework?

 

[crop52]

EDIT: ninja'd by about 4 hours, but i had an image, so it's okay,

 

[Sonic Doctor]

*Snip*

The confirm/deny prompts referred to in the commercial were intentionally exaggerate, as that is how comedy usually works. They were also referring to online security. The examples you gave only involved installing software, which isn't something non-techies (about 90% of computer owners) do every day. Frankly, I'm glad they give you an opportunity to bail while installing.

Well then, if we are talking about internet security, then it is also false on that point. I've had Vista on my computer since I got it two years ago, and not once as it asked for a confirmation on the internet or while using the internet. I download software and it doesn't ask a thing until I tell it to install that software.

 

[funguy2121]

*Snip*

The confirm/deny prompts referred to in the commercial were intentionally exaggerate, as that is how comedy usually works. They were also referring to online security. The examples you gave only involved installing software, which isn't something non-techies (about 90% of computer owners) do every day. Frankly, I'm glad they give you an opportunity to bail while installing.

Well then, if we are talking about internet security, then it is also false on that point. I've had Vista on my computer since I got it two years ago, and not once as it asked for a confirmation on the internet or while using the internet. I download software and it doesn't ask a thing until I tell it to install that software.

You didn't read my entire reply, did you? Go ahead, I'll wait.

All done? See where I pointed out that using exclusively your own experiences doesn't weigh as heavily? I'm responding on a Windows 7-enabled PC. My last PC, which literally became a paperweight, was operating on Vista. Both asked me to confirm/deny any time any program tries to "change system settings on your computer," whether it's something I downloaded and tried to open or a program that ran that was already on my computer. You must have disabled these prompts. Perhaps you should watch the vid again as well, as it clearly states that these can be turned off but that it then simply allows anything through, including potential malware.

 

[funguy2121]

There's no way he actually believes what he's saying. You'd have to be like chief supreme retard of the league of retards to say,

To the people saying that Live could be breached like Sony. This wouldn't happen. Not now. Not ever.

Then go on to say.

EDIT 2: I never said it was impossible to hack. Look I never said it. reread it now I'm waiting. Done? I said it wont happen. WONT NOT CANT WONT. That is what I said. And it probably won't, it is more secure than PSN and would be harder to hack.

I know you've clearly stated you don't want me to do this, but...cannot...resist...

Somebody call Fox News, I think we've found their replacement for when Glenn Beck becomes a televangelist.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

okay i saw your edit but you are still coming across like a complete asshat who has to put his opinion out there like a hipster when they say "i told you so!"

anything can be hacked, i dare you to spam that message across the web for the next year and see if any hackers take up that challenge, because i more than garuntee they could and would just for the lolz of it.

if microsoft pissed off the right customers it could be in the exact same position sony is in right now, hell probably worse even.

i swear the amount of hipster gamers that are spawning threads these days are making me facepalm all over..

 

[Easton Dark]

EDIT 2: I never said it was impossible to hack. Look I never said it. reread it now I'm waiting. Done?

I didn't even have to read past the first line:

This wouldn't happen. Not now. Not ever.

Do you not understand the meaning behind the word ever? It means a long, freaking ass time, as in eternity, making hacking it 'impossible'.

Logical fallacies, bad arguments (Microsoft's resources? Sony's shits all over Microsoft's resources), and now trying unsuccesfully to cover your tracks.

I don't like this thread. Not one bit.

 

[Nomanslander]

There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft.

Ummm?

Have you ever ran a Microsoft product other than the Xbox360?

You do know there is this thing called Microsoft Windows and saying that it's hacker proof is like saying shit is fly proof...0o

Now if you were talking about the Mac, you might have an argument.

LoL