To those people calling us "Entitled" (Dark Souls PC)

[spartandude]

ive been here for a couple of years and i dont remember the word "entitlement" being used at all until a couple of months ago and now its in every other thread, heck its more common the Skyrim threads were or mass effect ones are

also OT

Lets just say this: I want to buy Dark Souls legitimately for my PC.
With GFWL, I won't even have the OPTION to get it legitimately. They'd be losing a sale not because I'm boycotting, but because the SERVICE IS NOT AVAILABLE IN MOST REGIONS. And for the people who can... its glitchy as hell and a pain to use.
We're entitled to a product that works, but I think they should drop GFWL so that they'll make as much money as they can - keeping it will only result in lost sales from people like me who will be forced to pirate, and those who boycott the use of a terrible platform.
Edit: I like how many people don't realize (or ignore) that GFWL is region locked, and can't be bought in most regions of the world. For some of us, GFWL completely ruins our chances of getting the game, no matter how much we'd want it.

/this

 

[LilithSlave]

Some people are acting entitled about the matter.

But Games For Windows Live isn't super terrific. And I can certainly understand opposing it.

I hate how this fiasco may cause Namco to swear of the PC platform permanently.

 

[endtherapture]

It's a DRM function that's come down to the choice between 3 programs (GFWL, Steam and Origin) that are all identical aside from what company owns them. It's something that doesn't impact your game in the slightest. GFWL doesn't risk you losing your saves. Your saves are stored on your Hard Drive along with the account itself. GFWL also allows for Cross-Platform support with some games, which I assume is the idea for PC and Xbox players to be able to play together (something I really wish would catch on more).

They're not 3 identical programmes.

GFWL refuses to let me access my save games, refuses to let me purchase DLC, refuses to let me access online portions of the game and is generally buggy and temperamental.

Origins bands your account if you mod the game (Mass Effect 3) which is pathetic.

I haven't had any problems with Steam compared to the other 2.

 

[RA92]

Apparently beggars CAN be choosers.

I'm guessing English is not your first language, since you can't quite grasp the meaning of the word 'beggar'. From Software is not handing out Dark Souls to PC gamers for free - they're selling a product.

Anyway, as I've already mentioned in the forums, GFWL is especially bad news for Dark Souls. GFWL regularly loses save files, and DS is a game where there is only one continuously updated save slot. Which you can't back up because the save files are encrypted. Terrible prospects all around.

 

[Dandark]

I just hope that this doesn't scare them off the PC. Im really hoping that they realize that GFWL will lose them sales and increase the piracy rate. It will be easy for them to assumet that the PC market just sucks. They were asked to release it and when they did, people didn't buy it or even worse, they pirated it. They ma just decide the PC market sucks and then never make release any more games on here.
They are only making the port because GFWL let's them keep the same netcode, they don't need to make a new one so they save time and money. Perhaps they will use Steam or something else for the next game in the series but it may not even come out on PC if this goes badly.

It doesn't affect me since I would just buy any of the titles on Xbox but it's saddening to see how what started as a developer kindly listening to feedback and earning a lot of goodwill with PC gamers is going to turn into the developers feeling betrayed and publishers disliking the PC even more.
It's also going to help lengthen the stupid trend people seem to have now of using the world "entitled" for everything.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I'm going to buy the pc version either way (I play the xbox one) and I urge pc gamers not to miss out on this great game.

However, GFWL is kind of unstable and they should maybe consider not using it. I don't think people should be making demands of them when they have been nice enough to port it though.

 

[paislyabmj]

as far as i can see if GFWL is region locked were you are then you can pirate the fuck out of it but it would be quite nice to send some cash to FROM.

If what TB said was correct then they cant not have it GFWL cos then they would have to recode the onlive features or some crap and that would put them out of time.maybe prepare to die could be single player only but with tonnes more content or something but I am way outa my depth here.

 

[shintakie10]

I just hope that this doesn't scare them off the PC. Im really hoping that they realize that GFWL will lose them sales and increase the piracy rate. It will be easy for them to assumet that the PC market just sucks. They were asked to release it and when they did, people didn't buy it or even worse, they pirated it. They ma just decide the PC market sucks and then never make release any more games on here.
They are only making the port because GFWL let's them keep the same netcode, they don't need to make a new one so they save time and money. Perhaps they will use Steam or something else for the next game in the series but it may not even come out on PC if this goes badly.

It doesn't affect me since I would just buy any of the titles on Xbox but it's saddening to see how what started as a developer kindly listening to feedback and earning a lot of goodwill with PC gamers is going to turn into the developers feeling betrayed and publishers disliking the PC even more.
It's also going to help lengthen the stupid trend people seem to have now of using the world "entitled" for everything.

If developers want us to buy their games they can't treat us like shit in the process. GFWL keeps people from playin the game they legitimately bought. A lot of people are screwed out of even bein able to GET a legitimate copy because of GFWL meanin the absolutely only way they can get the game is through piracy. Their decision to save money is costin them legitimate business from people who want to support them, but can't because of this decision.

 

[Dandark]

I just hope that this doesn't scare them off the PC. Im really hoping that they realize that GFWL will lose them sales and increase the piracy rate. It will be easy for them to assumet that the PC market just sucks. They were asked to release it and when they did, people didn't buy it or even worse, they pirated it. They ma just decide the PC market sucks and then never make release any more games on here.
They are only making the port because GFWL let's them keep the same netcode, they don't need to make a new one so they save time and money. Perhaps they will use Steam or something else for the next game in the series but it may not even come out on PC if this goes badly.

It doesn't affect me since I would just buy any of the titles on Xbox but it's saddening to see how what started as a developer kindly listening to feedback and earning a lot of goodwill with PC gamers is going to turn into the developers feeling betrayed and publishers disliking the PC even more.
It's also going to help lengthen the stupid trend people seem to have now of using the world "entitled" for everything.

If developers want us to buy their games they can't treat us like shit in the process. GFWL keeps people from playin the game they legitimately bought. A lot of people are screwed out of even bein able to GET a legitimate copy because of GFWL meanin the absolutely only way they can get the game is through piracy. Their decision to save money is costin them legitimate business from people who want to support them, but can't because of this decision.

That's what im hoping they understand. They obviously consider GFWL to be at least somewhat capable. I really don't think they are trying to be malicious at all here, it's just that GFWL is the only possible option for them if they want to be allowed to do this port.

 

[Fishyash]

I was extremely shocked knowing this. After a while I thought about the bigger picture though.

This game was initially released on console. They decided to port the XBOX version. GFWL probably the easiest way to port the netcode from XBOX360 to the PC. When you think about it (I don't know the circumstances really) but they were probably given a time frame to create this port.

I don't think it would be realistic for them to be able to get the game ready without GFWL by August, along with the new content. I don't really see that happening to be honest.

I don't think they would really WANT GFWL on it. The reason why I think that is because From Software made this port in response to fan praise of the game who wanted to experience it on the PC. I don't think this might be a result of poor judgement entirely.

Having GFWL pretty much garuntees that it won't sell as well as it should have. GFWL is with no doubt a turn off but I think From Software will learn a valuble lesson from this. If they release a new game, they will know better than to do this. If this sells well, they are probably going to make a PC version along with the PS3 and XBOX360 version.

Also, most of you are probably aware I am pretty much echoing TB. I still am highly unsure on wether I will buy the game though. GFWL has given me very bad experiences from Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition though.

Ideally, I wish they could get a better budget and extend the release deadline just so we don't have to deal with GFWL. But realisticly doubt it.

Let's just hope FromSoft can throw their own two cents in.

 

[Spencer Petersen]

Apparently beggars CAN be choosers.

Since when is paying $60 for a product being a beggar?

 

[Jarek Mace]

Apparently beggars CAN be choosers.

Since when is paying $60 for a product being a beggar?

Since when some users adopted this idea that asking anything of the company instantly makes you a whiny, entitled beggar.
If I was getting it for free, then I would be a dick head to complain about it. When I'm paying them for a product, a fair bit too, I expect that product to be up to scratch and be worth the money.
Guess I'm a whiny little shit, who's a total beggar for wanting his a product worth what he paid for. Huh.