Today's Biggest Musicicans....WHO's OVERRATED?

[B-Lavaunit]

Mozart, Brahms, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Queen, Metallica, Almost all of Gangster Rap, and a lot of pop artists. The list goes on and on, but I'm a little tired.

All of them are pretty overrated though. The beatles and stones especially. I can only bring to mind eight or nine songs from each of them that I actively like listening too, yet some people act like they were the second coming or something.

That was my exact point, no band deserves this sort of praise, all they do is make sounds that are pleasing to the ear, and even then it is only in some cases.

 

[B-Lavaunit]

Popularity is not the right yard stick to be using to judge greatness, because is most cases what is popular is mass produced pigshit

in many ways, the music industry can be compared with the food industry

Lol. I don't mean it like that. I just ment that I would've heard of them by now.

Further to this, sorry for quoting u so often, but your views interest me, look at the charts, even the publicly voted charts of each year, and try and remember the last time u heard any songs in the top 10. I am using the Triple J Hottest 100 as a guide, u can use billboard or whatever.

To be honest, i had trouble finding one that really fit my point but here is 1998

The Offspring ? "Pretty Fly (for a White Guy)"
Ben Lee ? "Cigarettes Will Kill You"
Custard ? "Girls Like That (Don't Go for Guys Like Us)"
Hole ? "Celebrity Skin"
KoЯn ? "Got the Life"
Regurgitator ? "! (Song Formerly Known As)"
Jebediah ? "Harpoon"
Powderfinger ? "The Day You Come"
You Am I ? "Heavy Heart"
The Living End ? "Save The Day"

i honestly have not heard any of those songs played on the radio since about 1999

they were popular once, then never again. I dont believe that any of these songs would find themselves in any list of the greatest songs of the 90's. Try and remember the number 1 song last year...i have no idea, but i am sure you can think of your favorite song of last year, and chances are it will either be the same as, or at least the same band as heaps of other people

No problem, although I have to apologise cause I'm not exactly sure what your asking. I don't really have a favourite song, some I listen to more than most sure, but not one specific. Same with genre's, don't give a shit about genre's, just strong melody's.

I have no idea what number one songs are for any year, I don't follow charts anymore (I did when I was very young). I think Bad Romance was number uno for awhile, I heard it everywhere as well as that one Justin Beiber song. Thought Bad Romance is alright but still nothing special at all.

I think your trying to point out that my opinion is no different from other popular opinions. I will admit, Lady Gaga is probably the best I've heard out of the pop scene in the last couple of years.

Sorry, my point was not made well, but it was very late and i was getting really tired.

My point was not in any way trying to say anything about your opinion, it was more to say that just because it is popular and played on the radio alot, doesnt mean it is good or will be remembered.

Hope that is clearer

 

[Nazulu]

My point was not in any way trying to say anything about your opinion, it was more to say that just because it is popular and played on the radio alot, doesnt mean it is good or will be remembered.

Hope that is clearer

That goes with out saying. Hope that doesn't sound rude but I'm quite aware that popular doesn't mean quality. Of course a lot of those songs that did make it to the radio are good as well. And for another flip of the card, there are unfortunately some great bands that haven't been remembered well (at least in Australia) or recieve nowhere as much praise as some of the not so big pop bands.

I rate songs by how powerful they are, not how memorable or iconic, there are millions of lists that do that.

And just incase anyone assumes stuff. I don't expect you to believe me ^^

 

[funguy2121]

i dont think that future generations will be looking back and saying...did you guys just listen to lady gaga?

I remember telling people in high school that few people would well remember Hootie and the Blowfish and that no one would really care for them. And, just like Jewel, "Hootie" had to "go country" to hold onto anything resembling mainstream success.

lol, hootie

i remember the jokes,
"here use this cassette"
"Hootie and the Blowfish?"
"Yeah, they are cheaper than blanks"

How i laughed

Also, i think you will find that Jewel actually started out as "country" and had to make herself into a cookie cutter slut to make it big

No, she started out like this.


This was in the middle of the 90's. Towers fell before she went country.

 

[smithy_2045]

The Beatles are by far the most overrated band of the past 50 years.

 

[BabyRaptor]

I actually like Nickleback. I was unaware of how rare this apparently is before I started perusing the Escapist.

 

[B-Lavaunit]

i dont think that future generations will be looking back and saying...did you guys just listen to lady gaga?

I remember telling people in high school that few people would well remember Hootie and the Blowfish and that no one would really care for them. And, just like Jewel, "Hootie" had to "go country" to hold onto anything resembling mainstream success.

lol, hootie

i remember the jokes,
"here use this cassette"
"Hootie and the Blowfish?"
"Yeah, they are cheaper than blanks"

How i laughed

Also, i think you will find that Jewel actually started out as "country" and had to make herself into a cookie cutter slut to make it big

No, she started out like this.


This was in the middle of the 90's. Towers fell before she went country.

Sorry if i am showing my ignorance, but what is that if not country, slow country but country as far as i can tell, or at least what i remember she was described as, when she started i was much more closed minded about my musical tastes

 

[funguy2121]

i dont think that future generations will be looking back and saying...did you guys just listen to lady gaga?

I remember telling people in high school that few people would well remember Hootie and the Blowfish and that no one would really care for them. And, just like Jewel, "Hootie" had to "go country" to hold onto anything resembling mainstream success.

lol, hootie

i remember the jokes,
"here use this cassette"
"Hootie and the Blowfish?"
"Yeah, they are cheaper than blanks"

How i laughed

Also, i think you will find that Jewel actually started out as "country" and had to make herself into a cookie cutter slut to make it big

No, she started out like this.


This was in the middle of the 90's. Towers fell before she went country.

Sorry if i am showing my ignorance, but what is that if not country, slow country but country as far as i can tell, or at least what i remember she was described as, when she started i was much more closed minded about my musical tastes

That is not at all country. It's folk more than anything else.

 

[I Hate Consoles and Mondays]

Who really cares? The Beatles aren't the greatest band of all time either, the best band ever is Nickelback.

All their songs are the same. Literally. Look up the sheet music for "Someday" and "How You Remind Me"

I don't listen to much music, but I do like 2SFH, Axis of Awesome, and much of Newgrounds

 

[clipse15]

Eh I could whip out a list but doing so would be pointless because my opinion is just as valid as the opinion of others.

Oh and for the record, I love Rap music *refer to custom title.

Snip

But...but...the Gorillaz >.>

Yes the Gorillaz are one of my favorite bands of all time but I've never heard the Gorillaz on the radio... besides they're more of an experimental progressive alternative thing... not so much indie...<.<

Oh by the way I found this old obscure Japanese song from 1985... It reminds me a lot of the Gorillaz self titled album it's somewhere between Tomorrow Comes Today, Dracula and Bill Murray... with it's lazy almost rap style drum beats, heavy reliance on a simple bass line and borderline ambient guitar melody...

Spoiler: give it a listen if you dare...

Gorillaz have had a ton of radio airplay, atleast here in Canada. And I think your classification of them is really off. I mean they aren't indie but at its core the gorillaz are definitly Hip Hop.

 

[standokan]

I would be really interested how a nowaday talent would do in Rock, what if Lady Gaga became famous around the time of Led Zeppelin, would we still look the same way at her now if she did rock?

 

[Sacman]

Eh I could whip out a list but doing so would be pointless because my opinion is just as valid as the opinion of others.

Oh and for the record, I love Rap music *refer to custom title.

Snip

But...but...the Gorillaz >.>

Yes the Gorillaz are one of my favorite bands of all time but I've never heard the Gorillaz on the radio... besides they're more of an experimental progressive alternative thing... not so much indie...<.<

Oh by the way I found this old obscure Japanese song from 1985... It reminds me a lot of the Gorillaz self titled album it's somewhere between Tomorrow Comes Today, Dracula and Bill Murray... with it's lazy almost rap style drum beats, heavy reliance on a simple bass line and borderline ambient guitar melody...

Spoiler: give it a listen if you dare...

Gorillaz have had a ton of radio airplay, atleast here in Canada. And I think your classification of them is really off. I mean they aren't indie but at its core the gorillaz are definitly Hip Hop.

The only song I've ever heard by the Gorillaz on the radio is Ghost Train on an underground station... besides the Gorillaz aren't simply bound to a simple genre they do pretty much everything... ever hear Hong Kong, Latin Simone, Stop the Dams, Starshine, Double Bass, Bill Murray, White Light or Faust, just to name a few... while they do have a lot of hip hop influences on some of their tracks it's ignorant to say that it's a major influence of their music when they're far too experimental to be defined to one genre or set of influences... saying that they primarily made hip hop is like saying the Butthole Surfers made Punk just because their only hit song happened to be a punk song... they didn't [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjOomC5_08M]...<.<

Spoiler

Regardless of that I was referring to their first album in which ambiance, hip hop drum beats, and simple bass lines were essentially staples for a lot of the songs... but despite how varied and different they are, those same tropes, though not as prevalent in their recent works, are still there and in my opinion form a foundation for some of their later music... I mean just listen to Broken live...
What is present in tat song that I mentioned?

Simple Hip hop drum beats, ambient back noises, not specifically guitar, but from my previous statement all I wanted to infer was that ambiance was used as a mood setting device, and a simple bass line...

G|0---------0--0-0------|----------------|
D|--2---------2-2-(2)(0)|3-0-------3-0303|
A|----------------------|----------------|
E|----------------------|----------------

I mean this is literally the bass line, that's 4 notes repeated until the end of the song... and the thing is that it actually sets the foundation for the song like any good bass line should...

However I was wrong if I ever said they were indie... I don't remember if I did, but I don't feel like checking, they're not... the best way to describe them is that they're just the Gorillaz with their own unique sound that can't and shouldn't be defined to one genre...\

and now I just realized that you may have been refering to the whole, Experimental Progressive Alternative thing, to which I have to say, They experimented with a lot of different sounds and influences to defines each album, not specifically their sound since each album is vastly different from each other, therefore they're experimental... besides that Damon Albarn, the creator, literally said himself that he created the Gorillaz to free rain to experiment in music... Progressive is such a loose and undefined term that any song that doesn't follow the Verse Chorus Verse structure of pop music can essentially be grouped in there... the same goes for Alternative, that genre was literally made up in the early 90's by MTV to group together all of the bands coming out of Seattle that had nothing in common...

 

[clipse15]

Eh I could whip out a list but doing so would be pointless because my opinion is just as valid as the opinion of others.

Oh and for the record, I love Rap music *refer to custom title.

Snip

But...but...the Gorillaz >.>

Yes the Gorillaz are one of my favorite bands of all time but I've never heard the Gorillaz on the radio... besides they're more of an experimental progressive alternative thing... not so much indie...<.<

Oh by the way I found this old obscure Japanese song from 1985... It reminds me a lot of the Gorillaz self titled album it's somewhere between Tomorrow Comes Today, Dracula and Bill Murray... with it's lazy almost rap style drum beats, heavy reliance on a simple bass line and borderline ambient guitar melody...

Spoiler: give it a listen if you dare...

Gorillaz have had a ton of radio airplay, atleast here in Canada. And I think your classification of them is really off. I mean they aren't indie but at its core the gorillaz are definitly Hip Hop.

The only song I've ever heard by the Gorillaz on the radio is Ghost Train on an underground station... besides the Gorillaz aren't simply bound to a simple genre they do pretty much everything... ever hear Hong Kong, Latin Simone, Stop the Dams, Starshine, Double Bass, Bill Murray, White Light or Faust, just to name a few... while they do have a lot of hip hop influences on some of their tracks it's ignorant to say that it's a major influence of their music when they're far too experimental to be defined to one genre or set of influences... saying that they primarily made hip hop is like saying the Butthole Surfers made Punk just because their only hit song happened to be a punk song... they didn't [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjOomC5_08M]...<.<

Spoiler

Regardless of that I was referring to their first album in which ambiance, hip hop drum beats, and simple bass lines were essentially staples for a lot of the songs... but despite how varied and different they are, those same tropes, though not as prevalent in their recent works, are still there and in my opinion form a foundation for some of their later music... I mean just listen to Broken live...
What is present in tat song that I mentioned?

Simple Hip hop drum beats, ambient back noises, not specifically guitar, but from my previous statement all I wanted to infer was that ambiance was used as a mood setting device, and a simple bass line...

G|0---------0--0-0------|----------------|
D|--2---------2-2-(2)(0)|3-0-------3-0303|
A|----------------------|----------------|
E|----------------------|----------------

I mean this is literally the bass line, that's 4 notes repeated until the end of the song... and the thing is that it actually sets the foundation for the song like any good bass line should...

However I was wrong if I ever said they were indie... I don't remember if I did, but I don't feel like checking, they're not... the best way to describe them is that they're just the Gorillaz with their own unique sound that can't and shouldn't be defined to one genre...\

and now I just realized that you may have been refering to the whole, Experimental Progressive Alternative thing, to which I have to say, They experimented with a lot of different sounds and influences to defines each album, not specifically their sound since each album is vastly different from each other, therefore they're experimental... besides that Damon Albarn, the creator, literally said himself that he created the Gorillaz to free rain to experiment in music... Progressive is such a loose and undefined term that any song that doesn't follow the Verse Chorus Verse structure of pop music can essentially be grouped in there... the same goes for Alternative, that genre was literally made up in the early 90's by MTV to group together all of the bands coming out of Seattle that had nothing in common...

You didn't say you thought that the Gorillaz were indie, you were disagreeing with someone who said they were indie, so I was agreeing with your disagreement.

I have the first 3 Gorillaz albums and I definitly still say that Hip Hop is a major part of they're music. When I say Hip Hop i'm not talking about old school Hip Hop where the music is minimalist and the vocals of the artist are key, I'm talking about the current trend in Hip Hop where the best artists are the ones who are experimenting with various musical styles.

Artists like Gnarles Barkely, KiD CuDI, OutKast and by extension Big Boi and they're production teams.

 

[inFAMOUSCowZ]

Who really cares? The Beatles aren't the greatest band of all time either, the best band ever is Nickelback.

....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Nickelback?GOOD!?!?!?!

OT: All Time Low, they aren't even any good, also Nickelback but I think you'd know this by now.

 

[Chased]

Definitely Sunn 0))). I hear there stuff all the time on the radio and even that one TV channel with the black and white fuzz.

 

[suitepee7]

well, the beatles, disturbed, matt bellamy from muse (the new stuff is shit), slipknot (or anything with corey taylor since stone sour's come what(ever) may), radiohead, and green day havent done a good solid release since international superhits (yes i know its a compilation).

 

[OneOfTheMichael's]

Lets see..
Most pop stars (Beiber, gaga, kesha, perry, all of em)
People who put a whole crap load of trash into a autotuner and get praised for it,
Rebecca black although most people do hate her,
and other people who sing and get cheers from their friends and decide to share their "talent" with the world.
I know some of the ''musicians" i mentioned aren't the most famous, but there is my list.

 

[DeltaWolfson]

Justin Beiber Lady Gaga, Kesha, and Perry, not to mention all POP stars

 

[AgDr_ODST]

Elena [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tycEDJTtF3w&feature=related] Si [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOedLNedhm4]eg [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAUOpUsR7ME]man [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dhRqP2jR6g]

Why does everyone always give all credit to Elena Siegman for Zombie songs? What about Kevin Sherwood, he wrote all of the songs and performed all instruments, he deserves just as much credit.

Im not giving her all the credit....and completely stiffing Kevin Sherwood when it comes to the zombies songs Im just saying she's underrated(and so is he...bearing in mind what you've said (which I already knew btw) but the topic is about overrated not who deserves credit.)...And if I've bothered you by having inadvertently forgotten Sherwood at the time of my OP I do apologize. But you've gotta realize that not every artist rights his/her own material(and does the instrumental), some people write hits that others sing and more often than not its the artist who is remembered for the song not the writer. Take The Weary Kind [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8monRJzzvU] for example, I know for a fact that Jeff didn't write the song and I can't remember who did write it but even I could that wouldn't change the fact that Jeff will most likely be remembered for having sung it in the movie than the songs creator.