CODE-D said:
Mischa87 said:
Wow, really guys? Grow the fuck up already, if you don't care about other people, then don't comment on them, easy as that. Way to step up and show how ignorant you really are, and setting an excellent example of the kind of behavior that needs to be abolished.
To come into this thread, and spread this kind of hate, you are beyond scum, I could not wish horrible enough of things upon people like you.
Oh I don't condone hate crimes, I just dont agree with trans-sexuality.
Eh. That's your choice I guess. But the one is frequently hard to separate from the other.
I wholeheartedly believe in being yourself and liking who you actually are. I will never understand why the thought of changing genders would make someone happy(if it does however good for you)
The two things are not mutually exclusive. But it's a matter of perspective, and it rather depends on the individual.
Do you shave? Do you have haircuts? Use makeup? (or know anyone that does?). How about worrying about what clothes you wear? (or even wearing clothes to begin with.) That's technically 'not being yourself'. - But that's not really considered in the same league though is it?
, but you'll never be it anyway the best they can do is plastic surgery and hormone therapy but to my knowledge this will just be a resemblance of that gender. If you wanna dress up and resemble the opposite you can, its called drag and you dont have to turn your penis inside out or alter your biochemistry to do it either.
Be careful with your terms here. No definition of gender requires any of those things. Sex & gender are not the same thing.
So to talk about 'the resemblance of that gender' is silly, because the definition of gender doesn't depend on what sex you are in the first place. (In most common usage - that is, the way people
actually act, not what they think it works, gender is a fluid thing. People actively assign a gender to people they meet based on superficial characteristics. Yes, other factors influence what you'll think about someone - in the case of transsexuals, learning someone was once a man will influence how you think of them now. But even so, at a basic level gender is assigned from superficial judgements and isn't really based on any biological factors.)
With that in mind, changing your gender is merely a matter of convincing those around you that you
are that gender. That's harder than it sounds, because people are pretty good at picking up on subtle things.
But it's still relatively trivial. Changing your sex is the hard part. (and this is where your comments become more relevant. Surgery and hormones isn't a reliable method to change your primary sexual characteristics. Especially if you consider reproductive ability an important part of that. On the other hand, hormones alone are pretty effective at inducing secondary sexual characteristics.)
(And of course from our own perspective we already are whatever gender we think we are. We aren't 'changing' our gender, we are trying to deal with an inconsistency between our physical and mental state.
You can't force yourself to be something you're not, which, ironically is what you're more or less suggesting, even while saying people should accept themselves as they are.)
It just seems so fickle a thing to me, its like the total opposite view of homosexuality where people learn to be comfortable with who they are(not changing themselves). When I see those suicide numbers, it doesn't really help their case. These people seem unhappy and depressed and that they need psychological help and therapy.
It's neither the same, nor opposite. Many transsexuals, especially the older ones who had to deal with the culture in the 60's and 70's, tried very hard to deny they were transsexual. To be 'normal'. That's trying to repress yourself.
That's pretty much the exact opposite of being yourself, yet by your reckoning would apparently be better than what transsexuals do.
You have to accept that you feel that way first. All the other things we do come
after this, not merely in an effort to try and 'be something we aren't'
Besides, if you think there's no psychological help or therapy involved, you're not aware of what the medical community does with this anyway.
Not to mention that all the surgical stuff was only started after the medical community had spent ages trying to 'treat' transsexuality as if it were a mental illness, which didn't work in the slightest.
In short, just cause I dont agree or see the point in transexuality, doesnt mean Im gonna go out and murder them or let them be like anyone else. 1 murder every 3 days is bad since its specific but 3 women are murdered EVERYDAY, by a significant other nonetheless, and im more concerned about that.
Well, you don't see the point because you're probably confusing what it means. But whatever. That's neither here nor there.
Women being murdered of course is very bad too. (And to be honest I don't much know what the point of the Transgender day of remembrance is either, except perhaps to draw attention to the consequences of it.)
However, I would have to point out that statistically, you may think you've pointed out that it's worse for women (I appreciate that may not have been why you mentioned it, but just bear with me here.)
3 women being murdered every day is a lot. But 1 murder every 3 days in the transgender community is, despite appearances, a much bigger proportion.
1 murder every 3 days amongst a population of maybe 700,000 people worldwide (maybe more, maybe less. But whatever it is it's not going to be even one order of magnitude higher)
3 murders a day amongst a population of 3,500,000,000 or so...
Well, what this really demonstrates is how easy it is to mess with how statistics are presented.
Presenting it in one way suggests 9 times as many women are murdered.
But doing the math shows that the chance of being murdered if you're a transsexual is roughly 500 times higher than if you're a woman.
Not that it's important as such who gets murdered more. (Nobody should be getting murdered). But it's still annoying when someone gives a counter-example to some statistic without considering the context.
The fact that you guys wish me death and hell however makes me think, what kind of people are you? To lash out in anger against someone with different opinions, are you any different than the people who murder transexuals? hmmm?
Yes... That's an important point, unfortunately. I think some of us forget sometimes how easy it is to 'hate' others. And that the most common reaction to feeling like you're being abused is... Revenge.
Which just doesn't help in the slightest.
But try and explain that to some people.
