Trends annd Cliches in Anime/Manga That Need To Stop
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That is the only thing I can truly hate about Anime in how some series do this exact thing. Excessively drawing out in ANY medium is bad but I can't tolerate in anime as much as i can in other types. Fucking hate drgonball and these other "mainstream" animes for doing that.Lord_Ascendant said:
*Unnecessary and very badly written romances that are incredibly obvious from the get-go*
*Announcing how your power works in front of your enemy so they can counter it later*
*Very very large eyes* I get that they are expressive, but its getting ridiculous.
*Taking too long to do incredibly simple tasks* (note, the Frieza arc in the DBZ anime had 1 episode dedicated entirely to Goku screaming his hair yellow. No joke.)
*Shitty filler arcs and stupid Anime movies* I mean, really. Just take a fucking break instead of releasing massive torrents of diarrhea.
*Bad framerate* you have money, use it. This isnt really a cliche, but its there no matter what. Look what they did with the Ichigo vs Grimmjow ending fight. See that framrate? That was beautiful.
*Unoriginal formula* Very very large users of this are: DBZ, Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, InuYasha. You know how it goes. Character has no powers at first, but by some innate ability he gains a new ability for every friggin fight he goes through, and most likely gets crushed in the first few minutes. Which brings me to another point.
*Incredibly thick villains* I understand how this is supposed to progress story or whatever, but seriously? Why does the villain always have a massive weak point, or stands still long enough for the hero to dice him to shreds? I'd like an anime/manga that has a villain for it's main character who plows through hordes of these cliches like a fiery snowplow. No, Death Note doesn't fit this bill. Why? It fell apart halfway through. The two kids were just ridiculous, and the ending sucked big time.
Yeah, these are mainly Shonen trends and whatnot, but this is the genre that actually has problems. It's not like they make Bleach, One piece, InuYasha or any of those series actually BAD or anything, I mean I like reading Bleach for the interesting abilities all of the many, many, many characters have, which is the same for all the other shonen look-alikes, but it could be done so much better.
*Announcing how your power works in front of your enemy so they can counter it later*
*Very very large eyes* I get that they are expressive, but its getting ridiculous.
*Taking too long to do incredibly simple tasks* (note, the Frieza arc in the DBZ anime had 1 episode dedicated entirely to Goku screaming his hair yellow. No joke.)
*Shitty filler arcs and stupid Anime movies* I mean, really. Just take a fucking break instead of releasing massive torrents of diarrhea.
*Bad framerate* you have money, use it. This isnt really a cliche, but its there no matter what. Look what they did with the Ichigo vs Grimmjow ending fight. See that framrate? That was beautiful.
*Unoriginal formula* Very very large users of this are: DBZ, Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, InuYasha. You know how it goes. Character has no powers at first, but by some innate ability he gains a new ability for every friggin fight he goes through, and most likely gets crushed in the first few minutes. Which brings me to another point.
*Incredibly thick villains* I understand how this is supposed to progress story or whatever, but seriously? Why does the villain always have a massive weak point, or stands still long enough for the hero to dice him to shreds? I'd like an anime/manga that has a villain for it's main character who plows through hordes of these cliches like a fiery snowplow. No, Death Note doesn't fit this bill. Why? It fell apart halfway through. The two kids were just ridiculous, and the ending sucked big time.
Yeah, these are mainly Shonen trends and whatnot, but this is the genre that actually has problems. It's not like they make Bleach, One piece, InuYasha or any of those series actually BAD or anything, I mean I like reading Bleach for the interesting abilities all of the many, many, many characters have, which is the same for all the other shonen look-alikes, but it could be done so much better.
if you want a good rundown of every anime stereotype, look up the web comic, "strange candy". i'm not advertising, it's just that everyone here will recognize every series it makes fun of.
the biggest thing i hate, power suits. i used to love them, but then i realized they were typically a medium for a) emo whining (technoman) b) underdog stories (can't think of an example)
and the lead scientist is always his father (evangelion? correct me on this one please)
the biggest thing i hate, power suits. i used to love them, but then i realized they were typically a medium for a) emo whining (technoman) b) underdog stories (can't think of an example)
and the lead scientist is always his father (evangelion? correct me on this one please)
Things I hate about anime/manga:
1. Kids = Better at piloting walkers (I refuse to call them "mechs" or "mecha") than adults.
2. Ridiculous costumes and/or ridiculous armour/powered armour/walkers (I know, let's paint it BRIGHT PINK! That's completely practical on the modern battle field!).
3. A failure to understand history. I'm mainly thinking of Code Geass here.
4. Anachronistic technology. Swords vs. guns? I'm afraid guns win almost every time.
1. Kids = Better at piloting walkers (I refuse to call them "mechs" or "mecha") than adults.
2. Ridiculous costumes and/or ridiculous armour/powered armour/walkers (I know, let's paint it BRIGHT PINK! That's completely practical on the modern battle field!).
3. A failure to understand history. I'm mainly thinking of Code Geass here.
4. Anachronistic technology. Swords vs. guns? I'm afraid guns win almost every time.
Well, here's a few that annoy me.
1.The tragic hero: Why is it that pretty much every anime contains a character whose mom/dad/sensei/whatever was killed off by the villain of the story or is all 'complex' (which is the shows term for emo) and they're only involved in the story because they're out for revenge. Afro samurai is the biggest offender of this. I don't feel like going into a huge thing with it but whatever. My point is, can't a guy be the hero, simply because he wants to and not because he's out for revenge or whatever?
2.No one but the protagonist can save the say: DBZ is the biggest offender here. All the other characters train and become powerful to deal with a villain, but its funny how the only one who can get anything done is the main character. Why can't Vegeta or hell even Piccolo get something done or save the day every now and then if they've gotten so damn strong? But no, it's always Goku.
3.Overly sexualized anime: Okay, let me say this, the only thing more annoying than a hero pulling wins out of his ass, is a female character with a pair of party balloons for breasts and the brain the size of a penut. Cheap ecchi crap like shower scenes and up-skirt shots are just mindless and retarded. Ikki Tousen is a big offender here. Hell the only reason I even watched the show was for Kanu Unchou. But the entire thing is marketed on tits and ass, it's a pain in the ass really. Not to mention they kept messing with the story its all based on in order to fit certain character traits. I.E. Kanu is a lesbian, so they said that Guan Yu (from whom she reincarnated... or something) was gay.... Come on, now you're just messing with history here!
This is also while I like the series Strawberry Panic! As a girlxgirl anime, the sexuality (as in the characters doing it) was there, but the creators didn't go insane with it.
4.Giant robots: I'll admit that as a kid I liked Gundam Wing and G Gundam. I've come to look at mecha as a genre rather than a cliche so I'll let it slide... Except one certain anime. One such anime is Kannazuki No Miko. I watched the series really because of ChikanexHimeko's relationship... As little of it as there was what with all the mecha fights and other crap. This is an example of inappropriate placement. The premise was two girls with holy magic powers that are supposed to save the world from the mythology Orochi while falling for one another, but I feel that premise is pushed aside so Souma can have his stupid mecha fights with the other villains... Which gave me another reason not to give a damn when Himeko blew'em off later in the series
5.ANNOUNCING YOUR NEXT ATTACK REALLY LOUDLY!!: Just about every anime hero's guilty of this, but the greatest offender in my opinion is once again Kannazuki no Miko's Souma... Never have I heard someone so damn loud and annoying. I'm convinced that guy isn't fighting with the power of Orochi, but a mix of crack and speed. As a martial artist, not only is this annoying, but ineffective. Say I'm sparring one of my friends at my Dojang (Korean term for Dojo), the guy would easily avoid my attack and knock me the hell out. I'll understand if its some incantation and you have say it to make your attack work, but otherwise... Please stop doing it.
6. Really... REALLY retarded decisions: The greatest offender of this is easily DBZ what I'm talking about mainly is the whole power up thing or use of attacks that take a while to take into effect. The fight with Raditz is probably the only episode I've seen where the characters recognize this and work their strategy around it: While Piccolo powers up his attack, Goku keeps the opponent busy so Piccolo can charge up uninterrupted... And that's the last time we see something like that.
After that, everybody, heroes and villains both perform drawn out charge up sequences or perform attacks that take so long to charge up the opponent could write a novel about it by the time the user actually attacks. The most appalling are the heroes, especially during the Frieza thing. Why the FUCK are you gonna just stand there while the guy is busy making himself much more powerful and thus make the fight a lot more difficult? Do you have any idea how many lives you could've saved and how many fights you could've shortened by simply blasting the asshole while he's clearly wide open for attack?
And as for the good guys, if its gonna take five minutes to to gather your power, then either do so before you go off to battle, or better yet, go somewhere else and hide so you can charge uninterrupted then come back when you're ready.
1.The tragic hero: Why is it that pretty much every anime contains a character whose mom/dad/sensei/whatever was killed off by the villain of the story or is all 'complex' (which is the shows term for emo) and they're only involved in the story because they're out for revenge. Afro samurai is the biggest offender of this. I don't feel like going into a huge thing with it but whatever. My point is, can't a guy be the hero, simply because he wants to and not because he's out for revenge or whatever?
2.No one but the protagonist can save the say: DBZ is the biggest offender here. All the other characters train and become powerful to deal with a villain, but its funny how the only one who can get anything done is the main character. Why can't Vegeta or hell even Piccolo get something done or save the day every now and then if they've gotten so damn strong? But no, it's always Goku.
3.Overly sexualized anime: Okay, let me say this, the only thing more annoying than a hero pulling wins out of his ass, is a female character with a pair of party balloons for breasts and the brain the size of a penut. Cheap ecchi crap like shower scenes and up-skirt shots are just mindless and retarded. Ikki Tousen is a big offender here. Hell the only reason I even watched the show was for Kanu Unchou. But the entire thing is marketed on tits and ass, it's a pain in the ass really. Not to mention they kept messing with the story its all based on in order to fit certain character traits. I.E. Kanu is a lesbian, so they said that Guan Yu (from whom she reincarnated... or something) was gay.... Come on, now you're just messing with history here!
This is also while I like the series Strawberry Panic! As a girlxgirl anime, the sexuality (as in the characters doing it) was there, but the creators didn't go insane with it.
4.Giant robots: I'll admit that as a kid I liked Gundam Wing and G Gundam. I've come to look at mecha as a genre rather than a cliche so I'll let it slide... Except one certain anime. One such anime is Kannazuki No Miko. I watched the series really because of ChikanexHimeko's relationship... As little of it as there was what with all the mecha fights and other crap. This is an example of inappropriate placement. The premise was two girls with holy magic powers that are supposed to save the world from the mythology Orochi while falling for one another, but I feel that premise is pushed aside so Souma can have his stupid mecha fights with the other villains... Which gave me another reason not to give a damn when Himeko blew'em off later in the series
5.ANNOUNCING YOUR NEXT ATTACK REALLY LOUDLY!!: Just about every anime hero's guilty of this, but the greatest offender in my opinion is once again Kannazuki no Miko's Souma... Never have I heard someone so damn loud and annoying. I'm convinced that guy isn't fighting with the power of Orochi, but a mix of crack and speed. As a martial artist, not only is this annoying, but ineffective. Say I'm sparring one of my friends at my Dojang (Korean term for Dojo), the guy would easily avoid my attack and knock me the hell out. I'll understand if its some incantation and you have say it to make your attack work, but otherwise... Please stop doing it.
6. Really... REALLY retarded decisions: The greatest offender of this is easily DBZ what I'm talking about mainly is the whole power up thing or use of attacks that take a while to take into effect. The fight with Raditz is probably the only episode I've seen where the characters recognize this and work their strategy around it: While Piccolo powers up his attack, Goku keeps the opponent busy so Piccolo can charge up uninterrupted... And that's the last time we see something like that.
After that, everybody, heroes and villains both perform drawn out charge up sequences or perform attacks that take so long to charge up the opponent could write a novel about it by the time the user actually attacks. The most appalling are the heroes, especially during the Frieza thing. Why the FUCK are you gonna just stand there while the guy is busy making himself much more powerful and thus make the fight a lot more difficult? Do you have any idea how many lives you could've saved and how many fights you could've shortened by simply blasting the asshole while he's clearly wide open for attack?
And as for the good guys, if its gonna take five minutes to to gather your power, then either do so before you go off to battle, or better yet, go somewhere else and hide so you can charge uninterrupted then come back when you're ready.
That's just it though, people toss the word cliché around so much without even giving a second thought, and usually at things that are rather undeserved of such a label, it's fairly annoying. But to be honest mainstream anime in general is just the whipping boy on these forums, so I start to care less and less over time.NeutralDrow said:
Yes, fanservice is a bit much in anime in general, but at this point taking that out of much of the anime it's in would be like taking the guns out of an action film.
I don't follow the Bleach Manga, only the anime, but I have to agree. I myself have said that while Kubo does a good story, he needs to let some heroes die. A friend spoiled certain things and it made it even more apparent that he needs to do so.The Sorrow said:
Look at Kishimoto, he's killing people off left right and centre (to be honest though the roster was a bit thick, and many of the original rookies had been horribly underused since part I, perhaps this will lead to that becoming a thing of the past) some of them you really didn't want to see go at all.
Ha, I did laugh, I'll admit it. Dragonball Z is another one that pretty much had to do that just to keep itself afloat. Blame the fact that they didn't let the damned manga at least get far enough ahead before they started.Lord_Ascendant said:
Anime itself just needs a huge reboot to get back it's artistic creativity. Far too many of the shows are created around pandering to pathetic otaku who spend all day in their apartments fapping to anime figurines.
Anime needs more Cowboy Bebop/Monster and less Lucky Star/Strike Witches.
Anime needs more Cowboy Bebop/Monster and less Lucky Star/Strike Witches.
Allen Walker from D.Gray-Man lost a fair few fights in the first 50 or so episodes, Ichigo must have lost around half of his, and both he and Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho die in the first episode. I mean that's just three, but there are quite a few more examples out there of the protagonist being beatable.nokelso said:
But the emphasis isn't placed sololy on the tits. Big difference when the tits are there for fanservice.TheNecroswanson said:
Anime and maga use to be hard to understand and creapily entretaining. But now days its the same as the US industry. Damned Love interests and Damned Unlikeable characters that need to save the world. Atleast in some recent anime like deathnote and code geass there where soo many plot twists to keep you interested.
Wait are we talking about artistic cliche? those dont need changeing. If big eyes swirs on fingers that are waaay too close and the Drops on the head when someone says something stupid disappear than it wont be amine. IT just wont.
Wait are we talking about artistic cliche? those dont need changeing. If big eyes swirs on fingers that are waaay too close and the Drops on the head when someone says something stupid disappear than it wont be amine. IT just wont.
-Loud mouthed women who express their attraction for male characters by shouting and punching.
-Paceless, shallow, meandering exposition where plot development's meant to be.
-Penus demons from the Nth dimension bothering schoolgirls and blowing up neo-Tokyo.
-Giant swords that would look out of place and overly large on a combine harvester.
-Embarrasing efforts to handle complex political and social issues by authors who clearly write more than they read.
-Arseholes with the aforementioned overly large swords taking on people with guns and winning
-Cutting edge military mechs with enough firepower to start a coup piloted by 18 year olds with no military career to speak of.
-Mechs with swords.
-Fuck it; Mechs should be removed full stop.
-Everything inbetween the starting credits and the end credits.
-Paceless, shallow, meandering exposition where plot development's meant to be.
-Penus demons from the Nth dimension bothering schoolgirls and blowing up neo-Tokyo.
-Giant swords that would look out of place and overly large on a combine harvester.
-Embarrasing efforts to handle complex political and social issues by authors who clearly write more than they read.
-Arseholes with the aforementioned overly large swords taking on people with guns and winning
-Cutting edge military mechs with enough firepower to start a coup piloted by 18 year olds with no military career to speak of.
-Mechs with swords.
-Fuck it; Mechs should be removed full stop.
-Everything inbetween the starting credits and the end credits.