Trends annd Cliches in Anime/Manga That Need To Stop

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People not looking there age. I don't mind when an anime decides to make everyone look older (most, like YuYu Hakusho, do this,) or ones that do the opposite, and makes everyone look young (Lucky Star), but for gods sake, do one, and only one. Don't have some characters that are one way and some characters that are the other in the same anime.
 

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Shonen anime dragging themselves out mercilessly. Seriously, I liked Bleach, thought it had peaks of epicness in the first rescue rukia arc, but it was WAAAYYYYY too drawn out. Seriously, just get on with executing her and with Ichigo saving her by being the main character.

Filler. Very much like the first thing.

Card game/mon series. Need I say more? Though if we didn't have yugioh, we wouldn't have the abridged series.

Stupid, ditzy females with unrealistically huge breasts. I like an attractive female character, but be somewhat reasonable. Fullmetal Alchemist is an example of good female character design. Hawkeye has realistically sized breasts and is hot. This isn't just an anime problem, either; western things do this all the time. Just look at some video game boxart.

Thin bishonen males. They're ok if used right, and some characters like Lelouch and Light wouldn't work otherwise, but have some bulky manly protagonists outside of long-running shonen anime.


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Strength/will being more important than talent

"I am naturally weaker, but I will defeat you with my WILL POWERRRZZ!"
That was kind of the theme of Gurren Lagann, and it and Kamina are awesome because of it.
 

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At the risk of being killed (AND THIS IS A JOKE SO DONT KILL ME PLEASE)
Anime/manga themselves are a trend that should be stopped.
 

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Paragon Fury said:
Honestly most of the anime cliches are more fun and interesting then Western entertainment.
Agreed. I generally prefer anime and jrpg cliches to western cliches. I'm more entertained by "Young boy goes out on a quest involving progressively growing powers and/or giant mecha to defeat ancient sealed away evil force of doom" than "Grizzled cynical dude shoots other dudes in a brown run-down urban environment in a revenge quest and fucks a tacked-on generic whore in the process." Both are overused and generic, though the young boy saving the world is at least somewhat of an inspiring heroic tale. It also lends itself to more creativity and adventure if done well.
 

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Booze Zombie said:
Emotions consisting of badly drawn sweat marks and pulsating red lines.

The appropriate response to anything being "CHIBI MODE".
I'm one of the few people here who actually likes that about anime, though it should not be done for really serious dramatic things.
 

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*EDIT* 16-18 year old girls having GIGANTIC BREASTS
but girls stop developing around 18. so basically anyone having big breasts in anime.
/being pedantic
 

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That all the decent Animes only go for one season whilst all the shite seems to get fifty seven seasons.
The long-running is kind of why they're shit. They may start out good, but they use up the idea's and have to keep running so they make up filler and bad arcs. That applies to a lot of western shows like the Simpsons; Early-mid 90's it is an excellent comedy, but it started to slide down hill after that. King of the Hill also seemed to get worse around when they introduced Lucky.
 

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Agent Larkin said:
At the risk of being killed (AND THIS IS A JOKE SO DONT KILL ME PLEASE)
Anime/manga themselves are a trend that should be stopped.
i'm wondering:
which window would be best to enter at night to silently murder rob you? just out of interest.
 

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Skeleon said:
Big eyes and girly men.
Elitist/fascist ideology.
The big eye's freaked me out with Pokemon when I was 6, but I got used to it. Kind of logical since the eyes are the most expressive part of the face. And as I mentioned in another post, girly men works for some characters, but I wish for characters that are bulky and wrestler like outside of shonen anime where they are that to the max.
 

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razer17 said:
Agent Larkin said:
At the risk of being killed (AND THIS IS A JOKE SO DONT KILL ME PLEASE)
Anime/manga themselves are a trend that should be stopped.
i'm wondering:
which window would be best to enter at night to silently murder rob you? just out of interest.
Window's are for wimps. Real men break the door down and barge in. Bring explosives just in case.
 

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razer17 said:
Agent Larkin said:
At the risk of being killed (AND THIS IS A JOKE SO DONT KILL ME PLEASE)
Anime/manga themselves are a trend that should be stopped.
i'm wondering:
which window would be best to enter at night to silently murder rob you? just out of interest.
The one above the acid pit welcome mat with the [trapped shotgun] flower vase next to it.
 

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A random person said:
razer17 said:
Agent Larkin said:
At the risk of being killed (AND THIS IS A JOKE SO DONT KILL ME PLEASE)
Anime/manga themselves are a trend that should be stopped.
i'm wondering:
which window would be best to enter at night to silently murder rob you? just out of interest.
Window's are for wimps. Real men break the door down and barge in. Bring explosives just in case.
(In my attempt to level with you people)

It will be like Spike verseus Vicious all over again if you come after me as i will die but you'll come with me.
 

Zykon TheLich

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That trend where they are released in any media format, I really hate it when that happens :)P)

Heh...I don't really like anime/manga, the only ones I liked were Appleseed, GITS and Battle Angel Alita.

I really dislike 'teen manga' but that applies to pretty much anything aimed at teens.
 

Therumancer

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Okay it's like this.

Any genere has it's stereotypes, Anime at one time was "new" here in the West but right now we're learning that it's just as cliqued as anything else if you watch enough of it. Also because it's successful (people paying $20-$30 for a couple of episodes) it means that we're getting a ton of crud shoveled over here where imports/translations at one time had to be fairly selective.

There is also the whole racism aspect, keeping something "Japanese only" can be a major selling point in Japan especially if it's something that "stupid Westerners" want or would like. Or at least this is how a few of the translated periodicals I've seen over the years have come accross (though admittedly I have not checked any out recently).

Some of what is being talked about is pretty typical for science fiction and fantasy in general (which is how I got into it). The idea of the main character starting out weaker than everyone else, but then turning into uber-man for example is a stereotype. The whole "boy done well" schtick. From old classics like "The Belgariad" (David Eddings) to more current works "The Codex Alera" (John Butcher) you see this kind of thing, and while it's a stereotype it all depends on how well it's written. The problem is a lot of Anime is badly written, I mean just like novels there is like 50 tons of it, and not everything is going to be good.

Trying to do the "So corny it's cool" schtick is also very hard to do, and very few things can pull off the high camp. Anime tries to go for this vibe more than a lot of other generes, and when it fails, it tends to fail spectacular. The holy grail for this kind of thing is probably Star Wars and it's overacted "Luke, I am your father" (bad quote of it since that isn't exactly how it was said, but we all know the scene) thing from "The Empire Strikes Back". It was pure overacted cheeze, but the movie itself was enough where by that point you got so into it that it seemed awesome. :)

As far as Harem anime goes, well again it's a genere convention and it's something that has to be done right. A good example of western versions are the "Myth Adventures" and "Wanderings Of Wuntvor" series. Both of which are about low powered mages (both of whom become more powerful, albeit without quite realizing it) surrounded by babes who lust after them. There is more to them than that, but it's pretty much the fantasy stereotype of the whole "Tenchi Muyo" thing.

Honestly I think Anime does so well in the US because they took a lot of it FROM the US to begin with (a lot has been said and written about Japanese pop culture, pseudo-Americanism, and hating us for wanting to be us... I won't retread it). I wouldn't be at all surprised if a lot of the things you see now ARE inspired directly by some of the older American works. They are pretty good at putting differant spins on old ideas, and truthfully they routinely play around with ideas in video or comics (visual art) that you otherwise have to read about. D&D/Western RPG conventions are also you see frequently in various fantasy Anime as well including some things that can only be described as a homage (of sorts).

To use "Myth" as an example, something like "Tenchi" (despite Tenchi being science fiction and styled a bit differantly) is probably the closest thing your ever going to find to actually seeing it... except perhaps for some of the ultra-rate "Starblaze" Graphic Novels that Phil Foglio put out (and as much as I like Phil, I felt they were a mixed bag in comparison to the books).

At any rate, by this point, pretty much everything that can be done, has been done. It's largely about how well you do it. This is true of most generes. On the rare occasion when you see something fairly original it will be milked until it becomes a trite stereotype, and then you become interested in how well people can tell very similar kinds of stories rather than being wowed by the concepts themselves.


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Go read Liar Game...right now. Here i'll even provide a link http://www.onemanga.com/Liar_Game/

The first few chapters might be slow, but trust me this manga has zero cliche's. And the "Games" they partake in are so original and well thought out that you really feel like a genius if you even understand what they're talking about.
 

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Bad english voice dubs/translations, If theres a sub version or japanese option on something I almost always have it ON.