Tsunami "payback" for Pearl Harbour
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What do you mean our thoughts? The should be damn clear: SOME PEOPLE ARE RETARDED MANIACS. Almost makes me wish that the guillotine wasn't outlawed.
Could this possibly be more of a troll thread? Any reasonable person is already going to balk at the title, but it's so outrageous that it gets us to look. Then the trolls come in and do their thing, and before you know it you have a flame war comprising of variations of "OMG PEOPLE ARE MEAN AND STUPID" "FUCK AMERICA LUL" and the same old tired arguments about the strategic legitimacy of nuking Japan. This thread is a waste of space, and the only thing anyone on here has succeed in is feeding the trolls. I guess that includes me for this, so good job trolls. Good frakin' job.
I think you need to look into the Rape of Nan King, most of the casualties were civilian, and the details are horrific and barbaric beyond comprehension. What makes it worse is that Japan actively down-plays the statistics, or outright denies the entire thing, despite solid evidence otherwise.
Truth; if we (Americans) had tried to traditionally invade Japan, the death toll probably would have been much higher, if not from armed conflict from Japanese soldiers and civilians hiding out in the city fighting to the last man, then the suicide rate among non-combatant civilians following at the suggestion of the then-current government would have been almost as high.
Most of you arguing against our decision to use the bombs don't truly seem to comprehend how formidable and resourceful the Japanese fought during that war. They almost literally fought to the last man; when they ran out of bullets, they would sharpen bamboo spears and freaking charge our still-adequately-equipped soldiers. If they had any spare explosives or grenades, they would hide in the dirt or play dead (sometimes for days at a time) until a tank would roll over them before taking the tank out with them.
This, not mentioning the kamikaze pilots they utilized against our ships. The government encouraged civilian involvement in the war; and if they could not fight, they told them that the Americans were psychotic, savage, uncultured rapists that would sadistically torture them if they found them alive and that they and their entire families could be spared fates worse than death by mercy-killing their children and jumping off cliffs onto the jagged rocks that lined their shores (which they did by the droves).
The alternative to dropping Fat Man and Little Boy was to prolong the war possibly for months or years on end against an enemy that would not give up until none of them were left to keep on fighting.
I say this not entirely (but I admit my bias) to justify the death tolls of WWII, but to better explain the US's decision at that time; against an enemy that was so formidable to our CO's, and to our soldiers absolutely terrifying. A type of enemy we would not face again until Vietnam. That, and ashamedly we wanted to also test the bombs while scaring off the Russians in a pre-Cold War power-play.
As I said, I am sick of talking about WWII and just wanted to establish some historical context.
This truly is a tragedy for Japan; Obama said that we would standby in case Japan asks or requires help, and I hope we come through for them. Since the end of the last Great War, we have helped Japan regain economic power, set up a working democracy, and have long since been allies and trading partners. Shame on these morons on facebook for jeering about long-irrelevant conflicts they weren't even around for; outrage and blind-nationalism that should have phased out long before their time.
I'm quoting / replying Diamond one her, not the rest.Why do I care said:
I have to side with Ellezdee here. If you accept war as a part of human nature then for me Japan was not in the wrong with attacking Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor was indeed a slaughter of thousands of American sailors. But those sailors are active military, as another military you can kill those. It's not pretty, but it's human. In any war soldiers kill other soldiers, you shouldn't get mad about it and if you can't handle it you shouldn't become a soldier. The few dozens civilians are regrettable, but hardly avoidable.
A retaliation strike against a Japanese City that kills thousands of civilians however is not acceptable and should be considered a war crime. Short version. Active Military can kill other active Military without being evil, just human. Active Military can not kill civilians without being evil.
Also the assault was hardly unnecessary. US would ally with UK eventually and that means allying with Russia and that in turns means becoming an enemy of Japan. It was a well reasoned preemptive strike.
That link made me more angry than i have been in years, seriously, pearl harbour was a military base, the americas were at war, it was a dick move but a tactical dick move to kill people and destroy equipment that were going to kill you,cthulhumythos said:
2 500 dead.
Not saying japanese tactics were at all nice in ww2 but not really much of a overstep seeing as 67 of their cities were being firebombed at the time.
Atomic bombings were fired at innocent population centres, destroying not only lives, but hospitals schools, complete infrastructure of cities, and irradiating, burning and blinding those who wernt killed,
initial death toll 250 000, 100 times more.
Erm, i think vengeance has been served in full, (and the whole god is an american thing is well annoying)
I don't know why people would think the tsunami is payback. We payed them back pretty damn well ourselves, they got us we got them back, its finished.
Now if only we were still like that and we bombed the hell out of Osama bin Laden.
Now if only we were still like that and we bombed the hell out of Osama bin Laden.
Trolls gotta troll. I know that the answer sounds too simple, but sadly that's the mindset of certain people. It's just a matter of who is on the chopping block and what they did to "us" in the past.
IMHO: I believe we officially called it even when the Peace Treaty of San Francisco (1951) was signed. In fact we will be celebrating the sixty year anniversary in early September.
IMHO: I believe we officially called it even when the Peace Treaty of San Francisco (1951) was signed. In fact we will be celebrating the sixty year anniversary in early September.
I have actually seen someone like that on battlecam saying how japan got what they deserved....and before that one Canadian was saying how the US sucks and how we want to bomb japan and get in a war....and that was before the "japan sucks" guy arrived.....my god the human race produces shit.
Actually the US was trying to end the war as quickly as possible because with the main perceived threat already defeated (the Germans) and the Italians long since defeated all that was left was these backwards Asians that most people didn't care about.EllEzDee said:
And aside from public opinion the US was going bankrupt.
Oh, and the Russians were getting ready to throw in their lot.
Pearl Harbor actually killed a great deal of US soldiers - almost 5,000 and sunk a great deal of the Pacific fleet.
The nukes were highly justified. Make no bones about it. At the time we had every reason to believe the Japanese had a lot of fight left in them, and actually assaulting mainland Japan would have been a nightmare.
As for the actual subject, welcome to the internet. People are dumb. I'll never understand why people insist on hating a country when they're still more than happy to buy their products. If you've used a cellphone, computer, or just about any tech device in the last 20 years it's got something either made or designed by the Japanese in it.
Hiroshima was payback for Pearl Harbour, and both events were horrific tragedies of war.
This is a catastrophic natural disaster. You didn't hear people laughing (besides the WBC) about hurricane Katrina, and this quake should be no different.
This is a catastrophic natural disaster. You didn't hear people laughing (besides the WBC) about hurricane Katrina, and this quake should be no different.
Hate to break it to you, but the nukes probably saved more lives then they took in the end.LiudvikasT said: