TvTropes Will Ruin Your Life

[DoPo]

All though i wasn't aware of the changes until today, how did it start off exactly...because i heard it was because of that Video bringing it to light to Google, but then i heard it was about the Naughty Tentacles article, sorta hard to place the finger on what caused stuff to hit the fan.

I would believe it started the same way as before - Google going "Our smut senses are tingling" because they can do that. I doubt Google need a random nobody to upload a video to YouTube, for them to analyse it and make decisions based on that.

 

[DoPo]

So...they're getting rid of pages, blanking some and outright blocking the creation of certain pages, not because of a sense of decency, but to get funding back from Google....?

All though i wasn't aware of the changes until today, how did it start off exactly...because i heard it was because of that Video bringing it to light to Google, but then i heard it was about the Naughty Tentacles article, sorta hard to place the finger on what caused stuff to hit the fan.

Well actually it seems to be a little of both. I read an article linked on here where although google did tell them to clean their act up they are going well beyond the bare minimum. It basically looks like they are using the google incident to clean the place up and get rid of all the pro pedophile pages.

Also, from the few minutes I spent looking into it, it seems they straight nuked some tropes ASAP but intend to either clean them or, failing that, rewrite them (also reconsider, if they are needed). So it doesn't seem that they are straight cutting off anything that seems bad. They are probably going to regrow the lost parts.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

The Pedo Hunt on TVT in light of the recent AdSense troubles is a travesty. They cut the Kodomo No Jikan page ffs!

Oh god don't tell me you're defending it are you?

If by finding the harsh, draconian changes going on at TVT deplorable I'm defending, then yes.

I already had this debate with a maniac on the site who disagreed with my opinion that a girl wanting to fuck her teacher is disgusting, and I'm not about to do it again.

Doesn't this really depend on the age of the girl and the teacher? In my college people who've redone years can be 19 or 20 before they leave, and the teachers can be as young as mid-twenties. Not seeing anything massively troubling if two of those got together, although it would put a lot of doubt on the idea that teachers aren't supposed to have favourites.

I rather like TV tropes. I don't tend to venture onto the forum pages and there seems to be a ridiculous overabundance of animes on there, I just like the actual trope pages. Some of the musical ones have led to me finding rather good bands.

Hating TV tropes for having arseholes in the fanbase doesn't make a whole lot of sense when everything on the internet with more than a few users on the forums attracts arseholes.

 

[MegaManOfNumbers]

Jesus, you guys so volatile!

I really don't have strong feelings towards this situation; I mean its a war between the SA forums (whom mind I say are pessimistic, overly critical, judgmental, exclusive, and self-righteous) and the TVT forums (which is essentially a poorly moderated excuse to gather extremely cynical and overly entitled individuals and attempt to develop a community); and the odd part is that TV tropes main focus is constructing tropes of commonly used devices in media and placing them in a user-friendly wiki interface that serves to entertain as well as educate.

So let me point something out: What the bloody hell is the point of this insistent bickering? TV Tropes is bad? I'd like to argue otherwise; it allows would-be writers to figure out commonly used components to a storyline and is interesting to observe to receive an honest opinion involving the subject matter. Also it is interesting to read up some of the more disturbing portions that construct different artistic mediums. After all, curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.

Besides, SA has always been crusading in an attempt to prove to the rest of the net that it is the best, just this time around their taking a more direct route.

Also, odds are I'm completely ignoring the fact that the TVT forums are nasty; while that is true, keep in mind that most people go their to be entertained/educated. I simply choose to ignore something that will have no harm to the rest of the net. But the fact that SA wants it shut down is what worries me. Me likes my TV Tropes!

 

[Zebrian]

It sounds to me like the Wiki is suffering the sins of the forum. Ever consider that maybe the forum needs the cleaning, instead?
Personally, I love Tv Tropes, and I've seen enough of the internet to not care about things like tentacle examples on a trope page. Maybe you should consider a policy of live, and let live.
That said, if the forums are crawling with scum and morons, again, focus on them. They are the source, the problems in the wiki are simply the symptoms.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

It sounds to me like the Wiki is suffering the sins of the forum. Ever consider that maybe the forum needs the cleaning, instead?
Personally, I love Tv Tropes, and I've seen enough of the internet to not care about things like tentacle examples on a trope page. Maybe you should consider a policy of live, and let live.
That said, if the forums are crawling with scum and morons, again, focus on them. They are the source, the problems in the wiki are simply the symptoms.

There's little that can be done about the forums short of cutting them for budget reasons. The main pages are the primary reason that people go to the site, so Fast Eddie, the site owner, wants them to be presentable to the public. If they aren't acceptable for AdSense's standards, then the site would lose the funding for the forums.

Cleaning up the public face allows the garbage behind to exist.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

Wow, first they get rid of Tropers Tales (i can see the validity in some of it's removal, since it's a YMMV thing), then the stupid link warning thing (is there a greasemonkey script that can bypass those?) and now they're removing examples and potentially an entire trope's page because of one guy posting a video on Youtube? (a Google owned thing) resulting in the deletion of anything that's remotely perverted all for the sake of keeping it up?

Not necessarily, google threw a big huffy fit and it has something to do with removing ad sense.

So...they're getting rid of pages, blanking some and outright blocking the creation of certain pages, not because of a sense of decency, but to get funding back from Google....?

All though i wasn't aware of the changes until today, how did it start off exactly...because i heard it was because of that Video bringing it to light to Google, but then i heard it was about the Naughty Tentacles article, sorta hard to place the finger on what caused stuff to hit the fan.

as some that reviews eroge or adult visual novels I don't get any ad revenue but host through Google on blogger. Yes some of those games do have characters under the age of 18 most that are brought here are translated where they are or do not depict any minors since we all know anime characters like Yoko are really 14 >_>. My point is do i have to worry about getting my site blocked because I review risque material that Google might find offensive?? My site is meant for adults with the fair warning use "must be 18 to enter". Aye maybe I should back up everything I have..rant-over.

 

[Reincarnatedwolfgod]

strange and creepy
well i go there to read tropes but i wouldn't touch forums with a ten foot pool
lets be honest it can't be any worst then 4chan

 

[Soviet Heavy]

strange and creepy
well i go there to read tropes but i wouldn't touch forums with a ten foot pool
lets be honest it can't be any worst then 4chan

4Chan makes no qualms about the content they promote, and they aren't trying to justify themselves.

 

[Eomega123]

I find that the site's fine if you just steer clear of the forums. I've never had a real problem with it. Most of the intelligent (or hilarious) discussion seems to take place in the fridge logic or WMG pages.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

strange and creepy
well i go there to read tropes but i wouldn't touch forums with a ten foot pool
lets be honest it can't be any worst then 4chan

watch this then come back, fair warning it's nsfw

 

[subtlefuge]

The Pedo Hunt on TVT in light of the recent AdSense troubles is a travesty. They cut the Kodomo No Jikan page ffs!

If the pedos are the good guys, I'm Rooting for the Empire [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RootingForTheEmpire].

 

[MammothBlade]

strange and creepy
well i go there to read tropes but i wouldn't touch forums with a ten foot pool
lets be honest it can't be any worst then 4chan

watch this then come back, fair warning it's nsfw

Is it really necessary to turn the whole thing into a circus? I find it at the very least pathetic that someone would waste so much time making videos of forum drama. I was still active at the time of that spectacle, and damn, people overreact to that sort of shit. So unforgiving. Chagen was good for a cheap laugh but really, he needed help and that was clear to anyone with a brain.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

strange and creepy
well i go there to read tropes but i wouldn't touch forums with a ten foot pool
lets be honest it can't be any worst then 4chan

watch this then come back, fair warning it's nsfw


Is it really necessary to turn the whole thing into a circus? I find it at the very least pathetic that someone would waste so much time making videos of forum drama. I was still active at the time of that spectacle, and damn, people overreact to that sort of shit. So unforgiving. Chagen was good for a cheap laugh but really, he needed help and that was clear to anyone with a brain.

Lol Not me bro I didn't make the video and talk to him on ANN now. However main point is that stop and think before you type creepy shit on the net with a user name. Yes forum drama etc all of those series they removed are because the people that commit on them can not act decent or within a straight frame of mind. Quite simply most of the users are thirteen year old kids and they need some reason to clean up, well then fine be my guest.

Now it's t.v. tropes decision to do it I don't really care because the government is forcing them, however to delete something or pretend it doesn't exist because of the fan-base or users are doing/posting creepy/stupid remarks on something. Disable the forums then on certain material to stop it. Do I hate bronies because they have flesh-lights for MLP now no it's what merchandise is selling. I hate half of the creepy otaku shit like ona holes or hug pillows being marketed but that doesn't stop me from liking the series, it's the same for the forums for the titles removed. You can't act like a creep everywhere you go on the net, that's why they have ANON image boards.

 

[likalaruku]

I got banned from TVTropes for simply not adding hotlinks to references. I like how they call it a suspension when they are permanent & force you to plead your case for a month, are & on a 2-strikes-you're-out policy.

 

[JesterRaiin]

. I like writing, and it is something I always want to improve. And looking at the forums for writing and literature on the site, all it seems to do is crush any creativity I might have.

With your writing skill you don't need TVT anymore. You're far beyond that point mate. Go, write, forget about them Rulez made mostly by people who seldom (if ever) create something valuable. :]

Escapist was down yesterday (once again), so please kindly excuse my slowpokism. :]

 

[Robert Ewing]

Tvtropes has made me forever paranoid, I now over analyse wayyyy too much.

 

[PainInTheAssInternet]

Got rid of the post that this was because it was incoherent and a waste of space.

Anyways, I would argue that since the tropes that everyone find disgusting do in fact exist outside of porn, they should remain. What should be altered is the disturbingly descriptive examples given. Even the naughty tentacles should remain, since they are a sup-trope of Freudianism (I place it with gun and blade fetishism, Oedipus and Electra Complex's etc) in that they all represent a subconscious sexual deviance, the objects in question all being phallus' and vaginas and are a display of sexual dominance.

The more offensive ones about "Rape Is Funny/Okay If" are in fact valid, as they do exist. You can find many examples in Seth MacFarlane's work. Also, I remember a scene where the villain was rape. The movie was undoubtably going for the angle that this was a moral retribution. It is a valid trope and should therefore be preserved.

About Loli and all that crap, they're tropes as well. We wouldn't like to acknowledge it, we wish they weren't, but they are.

Incidentally, about innocent undergarments, the trope is that the possibility of sexual innuendo and/or stimulation (a child being carried by the hindquarters being the best example) is nulled by the image of innocence. The fact that these people are sexually stimulated by something specifically designed to not be sexually stimulating is not the fault of the trope. That is due to the fact that these people exist. That is an issue solely with the community and not the content.