TvTropes Will Ruin Your Life

[Soviet Heavy]

Personally, I think the recent paedo-hunt over at TVtropes is equal parts hilarious and horrifying. The post about the new policy was too many parts incoherent moral panic.

I don't go on the forums though, so I could be missing out on a lot of creepy shit.

Avoid the Forums, or find a tamer section and stay there. Pretty much the only place I'm going to at the moment is the Tabletop Games board, and even now, that's only while I am waiting for some other people who plan to jump ship with me.

I'm not trying to change anyone's minds on their opinions of TVtropes. But my experience with the community behind the wiki just left me feeling crushed and unwilling to stay any longer.

 

[DoPo]

About the video:
It is nonsense to blame TVT for that. It sounds creepy because he talks creepy. You may also find the whole "innocent panties" trope creepy, but thats not the faulth of TVT. The panties were put in by the ones who made the film/comic/whatever. Otherwise, you are just blaming the messanger.

You are correct. But here is some food for thought - is that an actual trope? As in, is that an actual narrative trick deliberately invoked for a reason. Because, think about it, if you see several productions (movies, games, TV shows) that have characters eating pizza in them, is that definitely a trope "People eating pizza"?

 

[Axolotl]

About the video:
It is nonsense to blame TVT for that. It sounds creepy because he talks creepy.

Could you kindly explain to us how the description of small girls panties being flashed should be read out in a non-creepy way?

You may also find the whole "innocent panties" trope creepy, but thats not the faulth of TVT. The panties were put in by the ones who made the film/comic/whatever. Otherwise, you are just blaming the messanger.

You don't find anything creepy in trawling through pop-culture to find and collate the times children's underwear has been shown?

 

[Sindaine]

Can't see what's wrong.

Oh, boy - someone thinks that Alice in Wonderland is full of Innocent Panties. Why do I care?

EDIT: Okay, so I can be more desensitized to creepiness than you people.

But who exactly is getting hurt by someone posting their interpretation of something? Also, First Amendment.

For the record, that's what every creep tends to say about their "favorite works", regardless of quality.

I personally think that's a logical fallacy but I am not bothered to check it...

Huuuuurrr Firsd Amennmint chjildrun wanna be raeped it no iz bad....

 

[ElPatron]

Huuuuurrr Firsd Amennmint chjildrun wanna be raeped it no iz bad....

HURR CRIMINALIZING PEOPLE YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE THEY ACTUALLY COMMITTED A CRIME IZ SOO GUD

if you see several productions (movies, games, TV shows) that have characters eating pizza in them, is that definitely a trope "People eating pizza"?

This is what actually matters. It's completely moronic to think that Alice in Wonderland features those undergarments for some reason.

If the pizza is being eaten for some kind of purpose, then it would be a trope. Alice was not flashing her covered legs for anything in particular.

 

[Sindaine]

Huuuuurrr Firsd Amennmint chjildrun wanna be raeped it no iz bad....

HURR CRIMINALIZING PEOPLE YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE THEY ACTUALLY COMMITTED A CRIME IZ SOO GUD

if you see several productions (movies, games, TV shows) that have characters eating pizza in them, is that definitely a trope "People eating pizza"?

This is what actually matters. It's completely moronic to think that Alice in Wonderland features those undergarments for no reason.

If the pizza is being eaten for some kind of purpose, then it would be a trope. Alice was not flashing her covered legs for anything in particular.

"TOTALLY HAVEN'T EVER RAPED A CHILD NO REALLY!!!!"

 

[Sean Hollyman]

I love TV Tropes, and for some reaosn I enjoy reading the Thomas the Tank Engine Page. That nightmare fuel is crepy.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I'm not going to try and argue against you beause there are few things in life I find more hilarious than hypocrites and fanatics but I will defend TvTropes (in part)

It is not a bad tool for writers. I'm a writer and I've used many of the tropes found within only after finding them on the site. True it doesn't document why a trope is used, but if you're an intelligent person in possession of a real live brain then you should be able to figure it out. What he should perhaps be saying is that TvTropes is a bad tool for bad writers, but of use to good writers. Beyond that, if you hate the forums so much, why not just stay away from them?

As for taking personal exception to individuals, I'm sure if you went through any site, even this one, you'd find people with absolutely reprehensible views, buried in amongst the thousands of other users. To characterise an entire user base as being comprised of only one group of people based on a sample of less than twenty is at most ridiculous generalisation and at worst a deliberate smear campaign. And Something Awful are the absolute last people who should be ragging on TvTropes for having bad personalities on their forums.

Of course the recent moderation attack was a little over the top. Argue all you want about other forms of lolicon and whether it's a valid art form or not but Lolita is listed as one of the top 100 greatest novels ever written by The Times, so you'd think maybe it crosses the line into being 'art.'

 

[Captain Booyah]

Whoa whoa whoa. Wait. So it's just the forums that are full of scummy douchenozzles broadcasting their love for kids and tentacles and whatever? (And given that pretty much every site has its fair share of jerks/creeps, does TVtropes have an excess of these guys in comparison to everyone else?) I've never seen anything overly weird on the actual trope pages themselves, but then again, I guess I've never visited the ones that list panty shots or anything.

Also, is the AdSense thing recent? I'm feeling out of the loop. Not good. Google fu, activate!

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

How lovely of you to call me a lunatic for enjoying a thought-provoking story with a good mix of comedy and drama and fairly complex characters.

lolololol. For the love of god tell me you're being sarcastic.

OT: I had no idea TVT had this creepy side, that's fucked up, as is this video.

I don't see any harm in them trimming all the bullshit, after all you don't see them putting up say, porn film tropes. So why should crazy japanese "age 13 girls are legal in our country but under-aged in the rest of the world" paedophilia be allowed?

To me the obvious response would be 'why should the California age of consent laws be the ones that the whole of the rest of the world is supposed to abide by?' It's not even like there's one single age of consent in America. In the majority of America the AoC is 16-17, only in 10 states is it 18, and in some it's as low as 14. So actually, age 13 girls are not just legal in Japan, they're also legal in 3 or 5 American states.

Britain 16, Fance 15, Germany 14 as long as both participants are under the age of 21. Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to just label everything that doesn't fit into one very specific set of laws and values as crazy paedophilia, because you'll probably find it's legal in more places than you'd think.

 

[Plucky]

Wow, first they get rid of Tropers Tales (i can see the validity in some of it's removal, since it's a YMMV thing), then the stupid link warning thing (is there a greasemonkey script that can bypass those?) and now they're removing examples and potentially an entire trope's page because of one guy posting a video on Youtube? (a Google owned thing) resulting in the deletion of anything that's remotely perverted all for the sake of keeping it up?

 

[him over there]

Wow, first they get rid of Tropers Tales (i can see the validity in some of it's removal, since it's a YMMV thing), then the stupid link warning thing (is there a greasemonkey script that can bypass those?) and now they're removing examples and potentially an entire trope's page because of one guy posting a video on Youtube? (a Google owned thing) resulting in the deletion of anything that's remotely perverted all for the sake of keeping it up?

Not necessarily, google threw a big huffy fit and it has something to do with removing ad sense.

 

[DoPo]

"TOTALLY HAVEN'T EVER RAPED A CHILD NO REALLY!!!!"

Dude, what the hell? Relax, we aren't enemies here.

if you see several productions (movies, games, TV shows) that have characters eating pizza in them, is that definitely a trope "People eating pizza"?

This is what actually matters. It's completely moronic to think that Alice in Wonderland features those undergarments for no reason.

If the pizza is being eaten for some kind of purpose, then it would be a trope. Alice was not flashing her covered legs for anything in particular.

I dunno it seems you're contradicting yourself. First you say that it's stupid to think the "panty shots" are there for no reason (so, there is a reason) and then that she wasn't doing it for any reason.

At any rate, I don't know what the initial trope is. It has been "sanitised" since it seems to me that it doesn't serve any narrative purpose. I fount this on the matter:

That "trope" was a list of times when (mostly?) underage characters' underwear was exposed on-screen. We most certainly don't need a page on the subject.

 

[ElPatron]

"TOTALLY HAVEN'T EVER RAPED A CHILD NO REALLY!!!!"

I'm sorry but that was totally uncalled for.

Of course the recent moderation attack was a little over the top. Argue all you want about other forms of lolicon and whether it's a valid art form or not but Lolita is listed as one of the top 100 greatest novels ever written by The Times, so you'd think maybe it crosses the line into being 'art.'

I take this moderate approach too.

I recognize there was a part of tvt that I didn't knew of, even if I liked to read some tropes about Manga/Anime I never noticed the so-called "creepiness" on those posts. But I have to say that while molesting little children has to be one of the worst things you can do, what those people wrote isn't evidence of any criminal activity. I understand the concerns with advertisers but "BAN THE PORN!" seems an extreme approach.

I dunno it seems you're contradicting yourself.

I meant to say "for some reason" but I was thinking ahead. I don't believe that the clothing has any purpose.

 

[DoPo]

Wow, first they get rid of Tropers Tales (i can see the validity in some of it's removal, since it's a YMMV thing), then the stupid link warning thing (is there a greasemonkey script that can bypass those?) and now they're removing examples and potentially an entire trope's page because of one guy posting a video on Youtube? (a Google owned thing) resulting in the deletion of anything that's remotely perverted all for the sake of keeping it up?

Not necessarily, google threw a big huffy fit and it has something to do with removing ad sense.

Also worth noting that it's the second time this happened. Google did throw a big huffy fit once before. Last year, IIRC, but may have been the year before. That lead to a big clean on the site. I think that's when the fetish fuel wiki got separated. Or something along those lines. They put a lot of content out of immediate reach and presumably reachable if you're "registered".

 

[him over there]

Wow, first they get rid of Tropers Tales (i can see the validity in some of it's removal, since it's a YMMV thing), then the stupid link warning thing (is there a greasemonkey script that can bypass those?) and now they're removing examples and potentially an entire trope's page because of one guy posting a video on Youtube? (a Google owned thing) resulting in the deletion of anything that's remotely perverted all for the sake of keeping it up?

Not necessarily, google threw a big huffy fit and it has something to do with removing ad sense.

Also worth noting that it's the second time this happened. Google did throw a big huffy fit once before. Last year, IIRC, but may have been the year before. That lead to a big clean on the site. I think that's when the fetish fuel wiki got separated. Or something along those lines. They put a lot of content out of immediate reach and presumably reachable if you're "registered".

It doesn't matter much anyway in the long run, the only people who care about any of that are probably registered anyway. One thing I don't like is whenever people see the forums they say it's a vocal minority blah blah blah. But I was part of it for a while, it isn't. It was but the thing is the weirdos repulse any normal users and attract other weirdos. It isn't a minority anymore.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

The Pedo Hunt on TVT in light of the recent AdSense troubles is a travesty. They cut the Kodomo No Jikan page ffs!

Oh god don't tell me you're defending it are you?

For some that has read the manga yeah I will defend knj have a problem??? The main focus isn't on pedophilia the author/writer "that is a woman fyi" is writing about her experiences growing up of falling in love at a very young age because her mother died of cancer.

Yes there are some creepy elements to the series i will not lie about that but to assume something and not know nothing about is bs bro. This scene alone had more emotion in it than Titanic ever did, the cranes represent a prayer for her mother to get better but she already did so rin tried to make more so mommy would live and her 3rd cousin reji walked to see her dead.

 

[Plucky]

Wow, first they get rid of Tropers Tales (i can see the validity in some of it's removal, since it's a YMMV thing), then the stupid link warning thing (is there a greasemonkey script that can bypass those?) and now they're removing examples and potentially an entire trope's page because of one guy posting a video on Youtube? (a Google owned thing) resulting in the deletion of anything that's remotely perverted all for the sake of keeping it up?

Not necessarily, google threw a big huffy fit and it has something to do with removing ad sense.

So...they're getting rid of pages, blanking some and outright blocking the creation of certain pages, not because of a sense of decency, but to get funding back from Google....?

All though i wasn't aware of the changes until today, how did it start off exactly...because i heard it was because of that Video bringing it to light to Google, but then i heard it was about the Naughty Tentacles article, sorta hard to place the finger on what caused stuff to hit the fan.

 

[him over there]

Wow, first they get rid of Tropers Tales (i can see the validity in some of it's removal, since it's a YMMV thing), then the stupid link warning thing (is there a greasemonkey script that can bypass those?) and now they're removing examples and potentially an entire trope's page because of one guy posting a video on Youtube? (a Google owned thing) resulting in the deletion of anything that's remotely perverted all for the sake of keeping it up?

Not necessarily, google threw a big huffy fit and it has something to do with removing ad sense.

So...they're getting rid of pages, blanking some and outright blocking the creation of certain pages, not because of a sense of decency, but to get funding back from Google....?

All though i wasn't aware of the changes until today, how did it start off exactly...because i heard it was because of that Video bringing it to light to Google, but then i heard it was about the Naughty Tentacles article, sorta hard to place the finger on what caused stuff to hit the fan.

I'm not sure about the specifics but most people are putting the blame on the borderline pedophilia under(over?)tones of some of the articles.