Still, it's not a trope. It's the length between a skirt an a freaking sock. I don't think shows make that a plot point.Vegosiux said:
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Well the point it usually tries to make is "This chick is hot so expect her to be in the middle of all kinds of romantic shenanigans", admittedly...it is a bit of character representation, just like I dunno, bald head+goatee = this guy is a magnificent bastard. Physical representation of an archetype, I suppose.Soviet Heavy said:
I get your point tho, I'm just elaborating on my views on it.
Oh jesus, a new CrazyGoggs video. Also known as what happens when you stare too hard into the abyss that is the TVT forums.
I love TvTropes. But don't go to the forums, they're a silly place.
Anyway, yes, they have gotten worse over the last two years. They are trying to be formal, more objective which made them lose some of their appeal. Two years ago they didn't just list the tropes that are used in a show and the context in which they werde used but also if they were well executed. But no they don't want any opinions or discussions on the mainpages anymore. Takes away from the experience, methinks.
Anyway, yes, they have gotten worse over the last two years. They are trying to be formal, more objective which made them lose some of their appeal. Two years ago they didn't just list the tropes that are used in a show and the context in which they werde used but also if they were well executed. But no they don't want any opinions or discussions on the mainpages anymore. Takes away from the experience, methinks.
It sure isn't. But using it to show that a character is a bad@$$ is a trope. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FedoraOfAsskicking]Soviet Heavy said:
i just don't get the appeal. ive visited the site but i just cant stand it. navigation could be a little better too. or maybe im just a tard.
Which is a redundant trope of the badass archetype. Why does there need to be a page on how a Fedora makes a guy a badass, when the page on the archetype itself could have a section on why a character might be conceived as badass, or what sort of things could signify him as badass.Queen Michael said:
It doesn't need its own page, but it has one anyways. There is almost no discussion, only endless lists. I'd rather have an analysis of why something is viewed as a trope, rather than just listing off whatever happens to correspond to increasingly specific set of requirements.
Its and interesting and addictive site though I think people often try too hard to fit something into a trope when it doesn't really.
Addictive for sure... but kinda pointless... not that that's something outrageous on the internet. It seems that whole point of it is just to give glib names to things we already know about. These are things that are put to much better use when mocked, unnamed, in satire or parody format. I also find a lot of it self defeating since they'll make a name for any trope, no matter how obscure, to the point where it isn't even really a trope, just a few like-minded ideas.
Been there a few times, had a few chuckles. That was enough.
Been there a few times, had a few chuckles. That was enough.
It's one of my favorite sites, and I've spent many a fine day getting lost. It also helped me find some truly awesome stories, for which I'm thankful.
As for the forum controversy, I only ever frequent the Touhou thread, which is actually pretty wholesome, with most of the posts being silly debates about canon, posting the latest good fan material, and lots and lots of snark. However, we were frequented by the most infamous Troper ever (fellow by the name of Chagen46) who embodied every negative stereotype about the place, and no one was happy about that. He was eventually banned (and there was much rejoicing), but the damage to the thread's reputation was done, sadly enough.
As for the creepiness in the other threads, I haven't seen it for myself, and in fact tend to stumble on more creepiness on this site than I do there. But I must assume that it exists. I think the problem is that the site is notoriously poorly run, and the admins just let it get out of hand until the site got such a bad reputation that it started to scare away advertisers. And when they finally did decided to crack down on things, their methods were...not the best, to put it mildly, which only served to worsen the problem.
So yeah, the articles themselves are great (for the most part), but I have issues with how it's run.
As for the forum controversy, I only ever frequent the Touhou thread, which is actually pretty wholesome, with most of the posts being silly debates about canon, posting the latest good fan material, and lots and lots of snark. However, we were frequented by the most infamous Troper ever (fellow by the name of Chagen46) who embodied every negative stereotype about the place, and no one was happy about that. He was eventually banned (and there was much rejoicing), but the damage to the thread's reputation was done, sadly enough.
As for the creepiness in the other threads, I haven't seen it for myself, and in fact tend to stumble on more creepiness on this site than I do there. But I must assume that it exists. I think the problem is that the site is notoriously poorly run, and the admins just let it get out of hand until the site got such a bad reputation that it started to scare away advertisers. And when they finally did decided to crack down on things, their methods were...not the best, to put it mildly, which only served to worsen the problem.
So yeah, the articles themselves are great (for the most part), but I have issues with how it's run.
It's a dark pit of despair, infested with people who spend far, far too much time debating minutiae/fetishes/inconsequential garbage. It's best avoided, if you can help it.Queen Michael said:
I've used the site for over two years, and I wouldn't be caught dead posting anywhere besides the Trope Repair Shop. I, like many others, hate the new "formal" direction - while the cutting of the "Troper Tales" section was desperately needed, a number of other interesting tropes or pages have been renamed or deleted outright.
On the subject of its new formality... I kinda like that its tropes are a bit more self-explanatory, but others are just plain obtuse, such as "Chuck Cunningham Syndrome" instead of simply "Brother Chucked". However, I REALLY don't like its eager overtroping in the descriptions of the tropes, with examples and shoehorns of related tropes making the reader say "No... that's stupid."
It's apparently prevalent enough to be a stock symbol, but not quite so ubiquitous as to be taken for granted. So it does need to be its own trope.Soviet Heavy said:
That still doesn't get down to the why. It just goes "this man wheres a fedora, ergo Badass". Why is the Fedora considered the mark of a badass? Because it just so happens to be on a person who is? It's not like the hat itself does anything to the person to enhance their skill. A trope is a storytelling convention. A hat is not a storytelling convention. Simply being is not enough, there has to be a reason behind it.Scow2 said:
Well of course it's addictive, that's the reputation. Every time you go on there are so many links before you've finished reading one page it's "HOLY SHIT 126 TABS BUT HOW". In fact I'm lead to believe that you made this innocent-looking thread purely to waste several hours of my time. Because no-one invokes the name of TVTropes without acknowledging the consequences.
Like lolicon pages and nakamas. When you hear someone say that an interesting page has been deleted, think about the content that was on it. There were people defending loli shows like Kodomo No Jikan or whatever the hell its called, or screaming because s trope like nakama was renamed Band of Brothers to be more universal and stop using gratuitous japanese.Queen Michael said:
To be fair to Kodomo No Jikan it isn't that bad.Soviet Heavy said:
Only the manga though, I've never watched the anime.
Symbolism and imagery ARE narrative conventions, and people are familiar with fedoras being worn to indicate a person kicks ass, so just putting on the hat conveys that the character can kick ass without having to have special previous scenes establishing him as capable of kicking ass until he absolutely needs to. It's actually a lot more subtle, subconscious, and complex than that, but there is a LOT of imagery packed into a character's design.Soviet Heavy said: