Tvtropes

[370999]

The site itself is cool, I often go to it to hear trivia about a show I like or details about an expansion pack. The sites does however embody some of the worse aspects of "nerdom"; the lonely single man who is so good for a girl, the obessive focus on Japan, the complete lack of social skills, etc.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

a number of other interesting tropes or pages have been renamed or deleted outright.

Like what?

Like lolicon pages and nakamas. When you hear someone say that an interesting page has been deleted, think about the content that was on it. There were people defending loli shows like Kodomo No Jikan or whatever the hell its called, or screaming because s trope like nakama was renamed Band of Brothers to be more universal and stop using gratuitous japanese.

To be fair to Kodomo No Jikan it isn't that bad.
Only the manga though, I've never watched the anime.

The anime's first episode has nude shots in the shower, apparently. I have not read the manga, nor do I wish to watch the show, but a romance between a teacher an a kindergarten student in any context creeps me the hell out. ANd considering the amount of sperging that went on on a number of TvTropes pages before the editing was stepped up, they're better off without the pages anyways.

A fedora isn't a trope

It sure isn't. But using it to show that a character is a bad@$$ is a trope. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FedoraOfAsskicking]

Which is a redundant trope of the badass archetype. Why does there need to be a page on how a Fedora makes a guy a badass, when the page on the archetype itself could have a section on why a character might be conceived as badass, or what sort of things could signify him as badass.

It doesn't need its own page, but it has one anyways. There is almost no discussion, only endless lists. I'd rather have an analysis of why something is viewed as a trope, rather than just listing off whatever happens to correspond to increasingly specific set of requirements.

It's apparently prevalent enough to be a stock symbol, but not quite so ubiquitous as to be taken for granted. So it does need to be its own trope.

That still doesn't get down to the why. It just goes "this man wheres a fedora, ergo Badass". Why is the Fedora considered the mark of a badass? Because it just so happens to be on a person who is? It's not like the hat itself does anything to the person to enhance their skill. A trope is a storytelling convention. A hat is not a storytelling convention. Simply being is not enough, there has to be a reason behind it.

Symbolism and imagery ARE narrative conventions, and people are familiar with fedoras being worn to indicate a person kicks ass, so just putting on the hat conveys that the character can kick ass without having to have special previous scenes establishing him as capable of kicking ass until he absolutely needs to. It's actually a lot more subtle, subconscious, and complex than that, but there is a LOT of imagery packed into a character's design.

Agreed, but you won't see that sort of analysis on a TvTropes article. Just a list and someone saying "fedoras are badass!". There are analysis tabs on the pages, but apart from a few scattered examples, they are ghost towns. Nobody wants to look at the ins and outs of why something is used, they just want to list things.

 

[thesilentman]

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So you are the ant-TvTropes guy. Good to know (I'm not against that). TvTropes is good for certain things, others not so much. Why not avoid those parts if you really have a problem?

The site itself is cool, I often go to it to hear trivia about a show I like or details about an expansion pack. The sites does however embody some of the worse aspects of "nerdom"; the lonely single man who is so good for a girl, the obessive focus on Japan, the complete lack of social skills, etc.

That may be my only complaint about that site. I usually find that this is played out for saracasm at times.

OT- My thoughts on TvTropes? xkcd already has covered that for me:

Spoiler: For Size

 

[spartan231490]

Never spent much time on it, but i find it interesting sometimes.

 

[crazyrabbits]

a number of other interesting tropes or pages have been renamed or deleted outright.

Like what?

Like lolicon pages and nakamas. When you hear someone say that an interesting page has been deleted, think about the content that was on it.

I'm glad those were cut. They were garbage polluting the site. Thanks for twisting my words around, though.

I'm talking about countless cases of tropes that were renamed because their names were non-obtusive, or trying to cut YMMV tropes that didn't have any problems other than irking some people who don't like positivity/negativity.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

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So you are the ant-TvTropes guy. Good to know (I'm not against that). TvTropes is good for certain things, others not so much. Why not avoid those parts if you really have a problem?

The site itself is cool, I often go to it to hear trivia about a show I like or details about an expansion pack. The sites does however embody some of the worse aspects of "nerdom"; the lonely single man who is so good for a girl, the obessive focus on Japan, the complete lack of social skills, etc.

That may be my only complaint about that site. I usually find that this is played out for saracasm at times.

My thoughts on TvTropes? xkcd already has covered that for me:

Spoiler: For Size

Former member. I just grew to despise the userbase more and more. The level of ignorance that goes on in those forums astounded me. You could make a simple statement like "I feel that this page is poorly formatted" and receive pages upon pages of vitriolic responses because you are a "stop having fun guy" or "you want to change TvTropes from what it is!" person.

God help you if you want to talk about how pages dedicated to porn series could be seen as disturbing or detracting. Take the above scenario and amplify it. Eventually I just said fuck it and quit the site. I haven't really kept up with it since I left, so I don't know if they've got their act together, but since I still see people moaning that pages they liked got cut because the people in charge were too irresponsible, then I doubt much has changed.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

a number of other interesting tropes or pages have been renamed or deleted outright.

Like what?

Like lolicon pages and nakamas. When you hear someone say that an interesting page has been deleted, think about the content that was on it.

I'm glad those were cut. They were garbage polluting the site. Thanks for twisting my words around, though.

I'm talking about countless cases of tropes that were renamed because their names were non-obtusive, or trying to cut YMMV tropes that didn't have any problems other than irking some people who don't like positivity/negativity.

Quite welcome. Sorry about taking your words out of context. However, there was a time when the community got in an uproar because their japanese named tropes got switched to english so that people could understand what the hell they were talking about. And they still do.

 

[Lonewolfm16]

Spent alot of time on wiki walks on it lately. Pretty funny and informative though, and introduced me to new stuff so its all good.

 

[crazyrabbits]

Quite welcome. Sorry about taking your words out of context. However, there was a time when the community got in an uproar because their japanese named tropes got switched to english so that people could understand what the hell they were talking about. And they still do.

Indeed. As far as I'm concerned, those people should be expunged from the site. There's a difference between changing a quirky title to something straight-forward, and launching a fatwa on the site because they renamed "Nakama" to "True Companions".

As I've said, I rarely go anywhere besides TRS, because it's a nonsensical mishmash of fanboys, trolls and deeply-disturbed people.

 

[Queen Michael]

a number of other interesting tropes or pages have been renamed or deleted outright.

Like what?

Like lolicon pages and nakamas. When you hear someone say that an interesting page has been deleted, think about the content that was on it. There were people defending loli shows like Kodomo No Jikan or whatever the hell its called, or screaming because s trope like nakama was renamed Band of Brothers to be more universal and stop using gratuitous japanese.

I know the page you're talking about, and the name change was partly to correct a mistranslation. The page was called "nakama" because lots of Western manga/otaku fans think it means "people who are as close as, or even closer than, family," when it really just means "friends" or "companions". So keeping the old name would have spread the misconception about the meaning of the word.

 

[Vault101]

I really liked it..it was addictive and informative

that was untill I learned about the comuntiy *shudder*

that said keep on the main pages its fine....my only nitpick is the bias towards anime and internet stuff

 

[Lunar Templar]

its a huge ass time sink
interesting, but it chews through a day like no other

 

[Coffeejack]

I think the site is cool, and I've had fun just reading random articles on there......

But man they have a creepy fanbase/forums

More awkward than Minecon 2012? I think possibly.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

That's because you were on them, Blitzwing, and I swear I've seen you mentioned in the Something Awful mock threads. Weren't you banned?

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

What are your thought about this site? Is it good? I personally find it rather addicting.

Why did you have to mention it?

It begins again! **gibbers**

So many hours wasted. So many. The addiction... the wonderful addiction....

 

[Beffudled Sheep_v1legacy]

Werds.

The relationship itself is played as very disturbing and as the result of a very mentally disturbed child being brought up by a mentally disturbed relative. Its a bit deeper than "Teacher and kindergartner fall in love". I agree that the tvtropes article did go waaaayyy overboard with some stuff and it is better without it. Some people just went "Its just sick pedo trash blah blah blah" and I just wanted to say that it isn't that bad and has deep characters, explores familial relationship issues and blah blah. And not that it makes the (originally unrequited) love any better or more acceptable but she starts out in 3rd grade and has now hit puberty is around almost 13 I think. Doesn't make it any more acceptable but just pointing out it isn't a toddler.

I guess I just wish people could be a bit more mature so they don't ruin things for everyone else ya know?

 

[MammothBlade]

It can be great if I want to look up for particular characters, but the novelty has worn off. And of course the community...

I wish there were a decent alternative.

 

[CommanderL]

I use it a lot and have only heard of the forums never went to them